#1 Posted by BigCimmerian (8304 posts) - - Show Bio

- No prep, random encounter, morals on

- No adamantium and no healing factor for Wolverine, no suit or gadgets for Nightwing

- Pure H2H battle, who wins and why?

#2 Posted by IKnowEverything (359 posts) - - Show Bio

lol no adamantium AND no healing factor? wow. haha. in that case i go Nightwing due to his martial arts skills.

#3 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing gets gutted.

#4 Posted by KainScion (2973 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine

#5 Posted by Erik (32757 posts) - - Show Bio

@IKnowEverything said:

lol no adamantium AND no healing factor? wow. haha. in that case i go Nightwing due to his martial arts skills.

Wolverine is a master martial artist himself.

#6 Posted by texasdeathmatch (13171 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine still wins.

#7 Posted by Almighty_Darkseid (1724 posts) - - Show Bio

nightwing

#8 Posted by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan. Centuries of training and experience tops even Batman's training.

#9 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@Erik said:

@IKnowEverything said:

lol no adamantium AND no healing factor? wow. haha. in that case i go Nightwing due to his martial arts skills.

Wolverine is a master martial artist himself.

And the superior one, too. 
 
If both are fighting at the best of their ability, Wolverine is in a different league than Dick.
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#10 Posted by Erik (32757 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@Erik said:

@IKnowEverything said:

lol no adamantium AND no healing factor? wow. haha. in that case i go Nightwing due to his martial arts skills.

Wolverine is a master martial artist himself.

And the superior one, too.

If both are fighting at the best of their ability, Wolverine is in a different league than Dick.

Agreed. And Wolverine still has his superior stats even without the healing factor and adamantium.

#11 Posted by BigCimmerian (8304 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@Erik said:

@IKnowEverything said:

lol no adamantium AND no healing factor? wow. haha. in that case i go Nightwing due to his martial arts skills.

Wolverine is a master martial artist himself.

And the superior one, too.

If both are fighting at the best of their ability, Wolverine is in a different league than Dick.

Is Wolverine without healing factor and adamantium still above peak human?

#12 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

Especially without them.

I'm going off to cry now.

#13 Posted by Erik (32757 posts) - - Show Bio

@BigCimmerian:

Yes.

#14 Posted by Mercy_ (92695 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

Especially without them.

I'm going off to cry now.

lol

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#15 Posted by BigCimmerian (8304 posts) - - Show Bio

@ReVamp said:

Especially without them.

I'm going off to cry now.

why crying? :D

#16 Posted by PowerHerc (83461 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine wins.

#17 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

Wolverine wins.

#18 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@BigCimmerian said:

@ReVamp said:

Especially without them.

I'm going off to cry now.

why crying? :D

He looooooves Dick.
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#19 Posted by IKnowEverything (359 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@Morpheus_ said:

@Erik said:

@IKnowEverything said:

lol no adamantium AND no healing factor? wow. haha. in that case i go Nightwing due to his martial arts skills.

Wolverine is a master martial artist himself.

And the superior one, too.

If both are fighting at the best of their ability, Wolverine is in a different league than Dick.

Agreed. And Wolverine still has his superior stats even without the healing factor and adamantium.

weird how Wolverine is a great fighter until he fights Batman and then everyone acts like Batman crushes wolverine. lol I feel like I'm the only one in the room who thinks wolverine beats batman. but then when i say wolverine loses I'm the only one. haha i can't win

#20 Posted by ReVamp (22865 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@ReVamp said:

Especially without them.

I'm going off to cry now.

why crying? :D

He looooooves Dick.

If I ever become a mod, my first enforcement is going to be to ban all Nightwing puns. My second one is going to be to ban Morph.

#21 Posted by Morpheus_ (29873 posts) - - Show Bio
@ReVamp: Go cut that mullet, flunky.
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#22 Posted by BigCimmerian (8304 posts) - - Show Bio

@Morpheus_ said:

@BigCimmerian said:

@ReVamp said:

Especially without them.

I'm going off to cry now.

why crying? :D

He looooooves Dick.

hahahaha

#23 Posted by ChaosBlazer (3930 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine still wins, he still has claws and his skills, he is far superior to Nightwing in terms of skill, and his claws are just as good as Nightwings equipment(well maybe not quite but they're still useful).

#24 Posted by Mad8Baller (494 posts) - - Show Bio

You give Nightwing a staff and name him Batman, he can beat anyone without powers.

#25 Posted by Erik (32757 posts) - - Show Bio

@IKnowEverything said:

weird how Wolverine is a great fighter until he fights Batman and then everyone acts like Batman crushes wolverine. lol I feel like I'm the only one in the room who thinks wolverine beats batman. but then when i say wolverine loses I'm the only one. haha i can't win

I think Wolverine can beat Batman too. I just try to stay out of those threads due to overly enthusiastic fans.

#26 Edited by corona (6 posts) - - Show Bio

wolverine wins

too bad he's a crap character

and skill vs skill only bats would beat wolverine

#27 Posted by The_Thunderer (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc said:

Wolverine wins.

#28 Posted by IKnowEverything (359 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@IKnowEverything said:

weird how Wolverine is a great fighter until he fights Batman and then everyone acts like Batman crushes wolverine. lol I feel like I'm the only one in the room who thinks wolverine beats batman. but then when i say wolverine loses I'm the only one. haha i can't win

I think Wolverine can beat Batman too. I just try to stay out of those threads due to overly enthusiastic fans.

Batman and Hulk both have fans like that. And recently I have noticed some extremely enthusiastic Flash fans. I didn't even think those existed until recently.

#29 Edited by corona (6 posts) - - Show Bio

@IKnowEverything said:

@Erik said:

@IKnowEverything said:

weird how Wolverine is a great fighter until he fights Batman and then everyone acts like Batman crushes wolverine. lol I feel like I'm the only one in the room who thinks wolverine beats batman. but then when i say wolverine loses I'm the only one. haha i can't win

I think Wolverine can beat Batman too. I just try to stay out of those threads due to overly enthusiastic fans.

Batman and Hulk both have fans like that. And recently I have noticed some extremely enthusiastic Flash fans. I didn't even think those existed until recently.

you know who else are bad? spiderman fans. they make storm fans look logical reasonable.

the worst fans are spiderman and wolverine fans, then storm and hulk fans

#30 Posted by IKnowEverything (359 posts) - - Show Bio

@corona said:

@IKnowEverything said:

@Erik said:

@IKnowEverything said:

weird how Wolverine is a great fighter until he fights Batman and then everyone acts like Batman crushes wolverine. lol I feel like I'm the only one in the room who thinks wolverine beats batman. but then when i say wolverine loses I'm the only one. haha i can't win

I think Wolverine can beat Batman too. I just try to stay out of those threads due to overly enthusiastic fans.

Batman and Hulk both have fans like that. And recently I have noticed some extremely enthusiastic Flash fans. I didn't even think those existed until recently.

you know who else are bad? spiderman fans. they make storm fans look logical reasonable.

the worst fans are spiderman and wolverine fans, then storm and hulk fans

how are spiderman fans or wolverine fans unreasonable? ill give u hulk and storm. i never see spiderman fans pretending like he is anything other than a high end street leveler

#31 Posted by killerfacemojaro (5 posts) - - Show Bio

@IKnowEverything: the proof comes from the 1996 marvel vs dc crossover. spiderman fans are stupid because they voted for spiderman to beat superboy, even though superboy would kill him instantly

same with wolverine fans, they were stupid enough to vote for wolverine beating lobo and storm fans for storm beating wonder woman

storm spiderman and wolverine fans are the worst of the bunch. worst then hulk fans

#32 Posted by DChero (136 posts) - - Show Bio

when did wolverine become a master martial artists? i know he was a samurai and all and basically swings his claws around in every fight but i might of missed something. i don't really follow wolverine and his feats like that. Was he always a "master martial artists?"

#33 Posted by VenomousDragon (852 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan but Dick makes him work for it.

#34 Posted by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - - Show Bio

I dont think wolverine is a Master Martial Artist, is he? I could be wrong, but, Wolverine has trained in Japan and he's for sure a tough brawler. But if he's mastered anything it might be one or two, i just checked his power grid on marvel wiki ( for all the good that is) and he's 4 out of 7 on fighting skills. I think people want to give it to wolverine because he's so gruff and bad ass. BUT, Dick Grayson is a master of many different forms of martial arts, and is quicker and more agile than wolverine.

Dick wins in pure hand to hand combat.

#35 Posted by NEEK_03 (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

@Blood1991 said:

Logan. Centuries of training and experience tops even Batman's training.

WRONG.

however, i think this is close. NW is more agile, he is slightly weaker. im not sure how durable logan is without his healing powers. due to lack of feats for logan under these circumstances ima go with grayson. slightly.

#36 Posted by Typhion (640 posts) - - Show Bio

Logan. More experienced. Edge as a fighter in general. Bone claws (even if they won't heal very quick...or are the claws directly linked to his tissue generation potential?) With bone claws, its a stomp. Without, Logan 7/10.

#37 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@killerfacemojaro: storm beating WW is more conceivable than the other 2 IMO

#38 Posted by karetaker (1565 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03: oh nd i dont think grayson is more agile.only more acrobatically inclined

#39 Posted by Nefarious (20233 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine stomps. 

#40 Posted by whacknasty (5610 posts) - - Show Bio

@Romulus9000 said:

I dont think wolverine is a Master Martial Artist, is he? I could be wrong, but, Wolverine has trained in Japan and he's for sure a tough brawler. But if he's mastered anything it might be one or two, i just checked his power grid on marvel wiki ( for all the good that is) and he's 4 out of 7 on fighting skills. I think people want to give it to wolverine because he's so gruff and bad ass. BUT, Dick Grayson is a master of many different forms of martial arts, and is quicker and more agile than wolverine.

Dick wins in pure hand to hand combat.

Oh wow, thats new to me. Wolverine was a solid 7/7 in fighting skill for years when I was younger. Is that the marvel wiki that is fan edited? Or the official handbook entry for Wolverine? Wikis are usually everything but reliable... : /

#41 Edited by Blood1991 (8098 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03 said:

@Blood1991 said:

Logan. Centuries of training and experience tops even Batman's training.

WRONG.

however, i think this is close. NW is more agile, he is slightly weaker. im not sure how durable logan is without his healing powers. due to lack of feats for logan under these circumstances ima go with grayson. slightly.

Its been stated that Logan has trained in several diffrent martial arts

He trained Kitty in the martial arts used by Israel's military.

He has also has military training, and is a trained Samurai "which does involve h2h training". Ofcourse Nightwing will have more showings of h2h skills being he has no superhuman abilities. I am by no means some Nightwing or Wolverine expert though to blatantly say that iI am wrong without providing any proof means your not really saying anything at all.

#42 Posted by whacknasty (5610 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by Erik (32757 posts) - - Show Bio

@NEEK_03 said:

WRONG.

however, i think this is close. NW is more agile, he is slightly weaker. im not sure how durable logan is without his healing powers. due to lack of feats for logan under these circumstances ima go with grayson. slightly.

Slightly? Since when is Nightwing enhanced human levels?

#44 Posted by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - - Show Bio

Look there is no arguing that wolverine isn't a h2h boss. But on straight h2h skills I have to believe dick has him. He trained under Bruce Wayne who to my knowledge has mastered all forms of hand to hand combat so theoretically do has dick. Dock has at least mastered a majority of them. Wolverine hasn't. AND as stated before by me and others dick has him beat on speed and agility.

#45 Posted by King Saturn (224142 posts) - - Show Bio
I am thinking Hugh Jackman beats down Chris O Donnell in a decent fight... 
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#46 Posted by The Stegman (24298 posts) - - Show Bio

A non jobbed Wolverine wins, but since he fights like an idiot in almost every fight and relies on his healing factor, I'm saying Dick.

#47 Posted by Erik (32757 posts) - - Show Bio

@Romulus9000 said:

Look there is no arguing that wolverine isn't a h2h boss. But on straight h2h skills I have to believe dick has him. He trained under Bruce Wayne who to my knowledge has mastered all forms of hand to hand combat so theoretically do has dick. Dock has at least mastered a majority of them. Wolverine hasn't. AND as stated before by me and others dick has him beat on speed and agility.

I trained under a guy that mastered three different styles (which is a lot in real life) and I never mastered a single one. There goes the theory that Nightwing mastered something because his teacher did.

#48 Posted by whacknasty (5610 posts) - - Show Bio

@Romulus9000 said:

Look there is no arguing that wolverine isn't a h2h boss. But on straight h2h skills I have to believe dick has him. He trained under Bruce Wayne who to my knowledge has mastered all forms of hand to hand combat so theoretically do has dick. Dock has at least mastered a majority of them. Wolverine hasn't. AND as stated before by me and others dick has him beat on speed and agility.

I dont know if I would say that...unless you believe the gap between Dick and Spidey in agility/speed would be closer than it is between Wolverine and Spidey (who I think are close, with Spidey having a bit over Wolverine in both)?

#49 Posted by Romulus9000 (377 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik You are not a comic book character. Dick trained his whole life it stands to reason that he has mastered several forms of martial arts. There is no arguing the fact that Dick Grayson is among the elite in martial artists in the DCU.

#50 Posted by Jake Fury (18609 posts) - - Show Bio

Wolverine.