Nightwing vs Green Arrow
"I think GA can take him. I thin he is a better fighter than NW."and I think you are wrong
"StrongestOneThereIs said:No. Tell me really how u feel."I think GA can take him. I think he is a better fighter than NW."
Then you are wrong very very very wrong
FACT"
Why u think I'm wrong?
"ecsnclr said:"StrongestOneThereIs said:No. Tell me really how u feel."I think GA can take him. I think he is a better fighter than NW."
Then you are wrong very very very wrong
FACT"
Why u think I'm wrong?"
Because Dick Grayson has held his own against some of the best and Oliver Queen hasn't.
"StrongestOneThereIs said:Oliver has as well. League of Assassin and Batgirl."ecsnclr said:"StrongestOneThereIs said:No. Tell me really how u feel."I think GA can take him. I think he is a better fighter than NW."
Then you are wrong very very very wrong
FACT"
Why u think I'm wrong?"
Because Dick Grayson has held his own against some of the best and Oliver Queen hasn't."
Green Arrow has "more experience" than Nightwing but he only started training in martial arts a year ago so the rest of that experience isn't gonna matter too much. Not like Nightwing can't dodge an arrow. And if you go by the Green Arrow in that picture, he's got zero martial arts experience. He's gonna get his butt handed to him.
"Green Arrow has more experience. All I see Nightwing having over him is being more agile. GA is tougher."actually though Oliver is older Dick started as Robin before Oliver became Green Arrow or atleast was introduced
"I wonder how can Dick take down Ollie? Ollie is equal to Bruce. After One Year Later he reached Bruce level h2h combat. "
No he didn't. He only trained for a year. And Black Canary took him down effortlessly in h2h.
Ollie probably isn't even as good as Tim in h2h. And Grasyon dodges bullets, arrows aren't gonna be a problem for him. His agility, speed, skill and intelligence outclass GA. Ollie's strength is the only attribute he possibly outclasses Dick in. And even if Ollie was stonrger this would be negated by Dick's skill.
" @cagane said:I'm pretty sure Ollie has some pretty decent level of H2H skill before the "island". He just got better."I wonder how can Dick take down Ollie? Ollie is equal to Bruce. After One Year Later he reached Bruce level h2h combat. "No he didn't. He only trained for a year. And Black Canary took him down effortlessly in h2h. Ollie probably isn't even as good as Tim in h2h. And Grasyon dodges bullets, arrows aren't gonna be a problem for him. His agility, speed, skill and intelligence outclass GA. Ollie's strength is the only attribute he possibly outclasses Dick in. And even if Ollie was stonrger this would be negated by Dick's skill. "
Hmmm good fight. If GA kept Dick at range then I'd say Ollie but at H2H despite their similar levels of martial arts experience I'd personally have to give it to Dick. Even though Ollie was trained by Natas the same guy who trained Deathstroke, Dick's mixture of styles combined with his eskrima sticks would give him the edge in close combat IMO.
"StrongestOneThereIs said:"I think GA can take him. I thin he is a better fighter than NW."and I think you are wrong "
@Nighthunter: And I think your right :P
" Hmmm good fight. If GA kept Dick at range then I'd say Ollie but at H2H despite their similar levels of martial arts experience I'd personally have to give it to Dick. Even though Ollie was trained by Natas the same guy who trained Deathstroke, Dick's mixture of styles combined with his eskrima sticks would give him the edge in close combat IMO. "Ollie has just as eclectic a mix of styles. & "eskrima sticks" don't give an edge in close combat over a good blade.
I was replying to a "Dick & eskrima sticks" post. Try reading." What does his katana fight with Todd have to do with hand-to-hand abilities? It was also revealed that Todd was just aiming to keep him occupied so his men could capture Mia (and Brick was keeping Wayne busy). "
(& who said anything about H2H? the OP didn't mention it)
& you think Todd was just "keeping him occupied"? The trick sword handle was his ace in the hole if he got disarmed & Ollie got the best of him. And he did so the trick worked.
"Try reading"? Where's that hostility coming from and is it really even required? Take a chill pill.
My point was the debate I saw was about Ollie's hand to hand capabilities, and then I saw the scans you posted. I simply remarked on the one katana fight. And did you read the issue I'm speaking of? Brick himself stated the objective was never to beat them (Ollie/Batman), but only keep them occupied. Then there's the fact that Todd attempting to kill Ollie would be completely OoC. I have no doubt that Ollie is a more skilled swordsman than Todd, but the fact remains that neither had the intention of killing the other, and the entire fight was just set up to keep Ollie busy. There's no disputing that. Then again, you were the one who attempted to argue the clear and established limitations and power levels of Moon Knight...
While NOT READING MY POST, OR THE POST I WAS REPLYING TO." @DocJude: "Try reading"? Where's that hostility coming from and is it really even required? Take a chill pill. My point was the debate I saw was about Ollie's hand to hand capabilities, and then I saw the scans you posted. I simply remarked on the one katana fight.
& "hostility"? ^_^ You think me expecting someone to actually read my posts before replying to them is "hostility"? Man, you need to get the hell out of the comic book forums & thicken your skin a bit.
And did you read the issue I'm speaking of? Brick himself stated the objective was never to beat them (Ollie/Batman), but only keep them occupied. Then there's the fact that Todd attempting to kill Ollie would be completely OoC.
It was the same issue I got my scans from, & Jason Todd mentioned it too. #71
Keeping someone occupied is letting them keep up with you in a fight, keeping them just close enough that they actually think its a fight, & then spank 'em real quick, laugh & run off into the night. Not getting your ass kicked and relying on some back-up sword grip booby trap to be able to ESCAPE. Your details don't matter. Jason had a contingency in case he got beat.
"argue the clear & established limitations and power levels of Moon Knight"? Where did I try to do that? They go up and down all over the place, depending on his state of mind and how much Khonshu is dabbling in his life. That's common knowledge, but trying to figure out where his powers are at at any given time, now that's hard.I have no doubt that Ollie is a more skilled swordsman than Todd, but the fact remains that neither had the intention of killing the other, and the entire fight was just set up to keep Ollie busy. There's no disputing that. Then again, you were the one who attempted to argue the clear and established limitations and power levels of Moon Knight... "
" I've spent more time on you than you deserve. So, I'll summarize with: "Cool story, bro." "LMAO
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