Nightwing vs Cyclops

No prep. Morals on. Fight takes place in the Avengers Mansion. They start 5 feet away from each other. Fight is to KO 

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

Cyclops wins. Even with morals on, he has amazing accuracy and spatial awareness. He can hold his own long enough in H2H if Nightwing gets close. Even close, it would be worse for NW since one shot would take him out.

@The Stegman said:

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

this is correct, and they start 5 ft. apart, I would think Dick is faster than Slim.....thats what she said :)

this is correct, and they start 5 ft. apart, I would think Dick is faster than Slim.....thats what she said :)

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

Pretty sure cyclops would be able to tag him... 

@The Stegman said:

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

Hhhmm. Despite the fact that he is the second greatest acrobat in the DCU, can he dodge Cyke's optic blasts at close range? I have no doubt he could dodge them at say 20 ft. But they start 5 feet away. Could he dodge an optic blast that close? Or would Cyclops not even have a chance to shoot at him? Scott isn't too bad with H2H combat himself. Obviously he's not in Nightwing's league in terms of H2H combat. But would Cyke's own knowledge of H2H combat hold him off to get a hit on him with his optic blasts?  

@The Stegman said: 

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

Hhhmm. Despite the fact that he is the second greatest acrobat in the DCU, can he dodge Cyke's optic blasts at close range? I have no doubt he could dodge them at say 20 ft. But they start 5 feet away. Could he dodge an optic blast that close? Or would Cyclops not even have a chance to shoot at him? Scott isn't too bad with H2H combat himself. Obviously he's not in Nightwing's league in terms of H2H combat. But would Cyke's own knowledge of H2H combat hold him off to get a hit on him with his optic blasts?  

@Fetts:  
 

@The Stegman said: 

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

Hhhmm. Despite the fact that he is the second greatest acrobat in the DCU, can he dodge Cyke's optic blasts at close range? I have no doubt he could dodge them at say 20 ft. But they start 5 feet away. Could he dodge an optic blast that close? Or would Cyclops not even have a chance to shoot at him? Scott isn't too bad with H2H combat himself. Obviously he's not in Nightwing's league in terms of H2H combat. But would Cyke's own knowledge of H2H combat hold him off to get a hit on him with his optic blasts?  

Even as Robin, Dick was able to dodge bullets at point blank range, he has dodged blasts from Mr. Freeze, Clayface's attacks and well..pretty much all of the bat rogue's abilities, and he has only gotten better with age, they start of close but i think that Nightwing is a bit faster than scott (being a natural acrobat) and would instantly be able to gain some ground, he could then lay down smoke bombs for cover, or throw a well aimed billy club toward cyke's head to disorient him or destroy his visor. after that he goes in, moving fast and takes down cyke with pressure points or hitting vital organs

@Fetts:  
 

@The Stegman said: 

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

Hhhmm. Despite the fact that he is the second greatest acrobat in the DCU, can he dodge Cyke's optic blasts at close range? I have no doubt he could dodge them at say 20 ft. But they start 5 feet away. Could he dodge an optic blast that close? Or would Cyclops not even have a chance to shoot at him? Scott isn't too bad with H2H combat himself. Obviously he's not in Nightwing's league in terms of H2H combat. But would Cyke's own knowledge of H2H combat hold him off to get a hit on him with his optic blasts?  

Even as Robin, Dick was able to dodge bullets at point blank range, he has dodged blasts from Mr. Freeze, Clayface's attacks and well..pretty much all of the bat rogue's abilities, and he has only gotten better with age, they start of close but i think that Nightwing is a bit faster than scott (being a natural acrobat) and would instantly be able to gain some ground, he could then lay down smoke bombs for cover, or throw a well aimed billy club toward cyke's head to disorient him or destroy his visor. after that he goes in, moving fast and takes down cyke with pressure points or hitting vital organs

Dick with such a short starting distance accompanied by morals should be able to take this. As he has a high level of speed. Seeing how this is set up Dick has quite a few ways to win, including a 100,000 volt taser, escrima sticks richoceting off a wall, colorless knock out gas.or a variety of other ways to win this at such a short distance.

@The Stegman said:

@Fetts:  
 

@The Stegman said: 

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

Hhhmm. Despite the fact that he is the second greatest acrobat in the DCU, can he dodge Cyke's optic blasts at close range? I have no doubt he could dodge them at say 20 ft. But they start 5 feet away. Could he dodge an optic blast that close? Or would Cyclops not even have a chance to shoot at him? Scott isn't too bad with H2H combat himself. Obviously he's not in Nightwing's league in terms of H2H combat. But would Cyke's own knowledge of H2H combat hold him off to get a hit on him with his optic blasts?  

Even as Robin, Dick was able to dodge bullets at point blank range, he has dodged blasts from Mr. Freeze, Clayface's attacks and well..pretty much all of the bat rogue's abilities, and he has only gotten better with age, they start of close but i think that Nightwing is a bit faster than scott (being a natural acrobat) and would instantly be able to gain some ground, he could then lay down smoke bombs for cover, or throw a well aimed billy club toward cyke's head to disorient him or destroy his visor. after that he goes in, moving fast and takes down cyke with pressure points or hitting vital organs

@The Stegman: The last thing he wants to do is destroy his visor. Bullets are no optic blast. Cyclops' blast travel faster, wider, and gives Scott options.

actually have reason to believe optic blasts are faster than bullets. Cyclops usually is able to hit Logan  with his optic blasts when they have fights. But Wolverine is a bullet timer.  
 
I could see the billy club thing work, but I'm not sure how successful the smoke grenade thing would be. I doubt Dick would try to do that.

The last thing he wants to do is destroy his visor. Bullets are no optic blast. Cyclops' blast travel faster, wider, and gives Scott options.

With this distance. Cyclops takes out NW before he gets a chance to do anything. Honestly, this fight is kinda a joke. NW would go down with 1 hit. And being just 5 feet away, he has no chance to dodge or react at all.

@Edgeworth_11 said:

With this distance. Cyclops takes out NW before he gets a chance to do anything. Honestly, this fight is kinda a joke. NW would go down with 1 hit. And being just 5 feet away, he has no chance to dodge or react at all.

You think Cyclops has faster reflexes than Nightwing....I don't know about that, NW dodges bullets for breakfast, I'm pretty sure I've seen Scott get shot before

Dick has dodged Starfire's star bolts at point blank range before. 

@Hohenheim_of_light: Starfire isn't as accurate as Cyclops is, and he's tagged faster people than Nightwing.

@Hohenheim_of_light: Starfire isn't as accurate as Cyclops is, and he's tagged faster people than Nightwing.

@Hohenheim_of_light: Oh, okay.

I'm gonna say this comes down to if Nightwing usually uses his taser or vomit smoke bombs or something like that at the start of this fight. He knows nothing of Cyclops but I don't think it matters for vice versa. If he goes into this h2h or with his escrima sticks, Cykes may not be as good of a h2h but he can contend with him long enough to get a shot on Grayson which he really only needs one or two shots to do so.

morals on, Nightwing, he is the second greatest acrobat in the Dcu besides Deadman, he would have no problems dodging cyke's beams, then he'll get in close enough to take him down with superior martial arts skills 

I think Cyclops could land hit with his beam before NW could get close enough to land a strike on Scott. If Nightwing managed to get close enough to be within physical striking range, I think he would defeat Scott pretty soundly.  

I think Cyclops could land hit with his beam before NW could get close enough to land a strike on Scott. If Nightwing managed to get close enough to be within physical striking range, I think he would defeat Scott pretty soundly.  

@SmoothJammin said:

Is there any legitimacy behind this? Where does it state that Deadman is DC's greatest acrobat (sorry if this is off topic)

You might have to check Nightwing, issues 102-103. Deadman has appearances in both of them, so you might find what you're looking for there. I have the issues, but I'm still at the beginning of the series, so I don't want to spoil myself by skipping over several issues.

                    @THUNDERBOLT30 said:

                    I think Cyclops could land hit with his beam before NW could get close enough to land a strike on Scott. If Nightwing managed to get close enough to be within physical striking range, I think he would defeat Scott pretty soundly.  

                   

               

This is where I disagree abit. Now hear me out, but I'd say that Cyclops can hang with NW not defeat him h2h, but enough to give him trouble which also makes also allows Scott a closer range for his attacks, he doesn't need to touch his visor for his optic blasts to fire.

                   

               

nightwing only because of the distance.....

Bump.

Honestly, the "5 feet starting distance" makes this a complete toss-up in my eyes.  Nightwing is among the most agile the DC non-metas have to offer, so it's perfectly logical with that insanely short distance he can dodge one shot, then swiftly take out Scott in h2h.  There's still the opportunity for Scott to win here in this situation, though.  Sure, Grayson has him wrecked in h2h, but Scott is competent in that regard (thanks to his study of judo and such), so he really just needs to avoid being knocked out, and it's possible he can land an opic blast during the close range melee battle.  Not saying he'd do that each time, but it's possible. However, it's every bit as likely Scott can land that one-shot from the start (thanks to the speed of his blast and his own accuracy), dishing out major damage to Grayson and immediately turning the tide in his favor.  

Nightwing easily wins.
Cyclops though he has a lot of fighting experience its nothing compared to Nightwing. So H2H Nightwing wins no contest.
Powers, though Nightwing has no powers, Cyclops powers are based on hitting what he can see. Nightwing has trained for stealth, on top of his acrobatic ability.
The only way Cyclops would have a chance is to out think him. But again Nightwing could match him on strategy as well.

5 feet away? Dick's gonna dodge the little red volts, then take Cyclops down pretty quick. This guy is the second best fighter in the DC universe, after all. Cyclops can only hit what he can see, and Nightwing is a master of stealth. Nightwing wins.

@thebattlecalculatot: Nightwing is nowhere near the 2nd best fighter in DC

Night Wing