Nightwing and Red Hood vs Dare Devil and Winter Soldier

Takes place on gotham rooftop tops standard equipment this is new 52 version of the characters who win

Team 2.

Thinking maybe team 1, but not sure.

Team 1, they have higher tech and a home field advantage

Team 1. Dick and Jason have the home field advantage and better tech. I see Jason taking out Winter Soldier and then helping Dick take out Matt.

Team 1.

Team 1. Reasoning later time.

Team 1 and they have a home advantage

Team one handily

I can see night wing and dare devil fight last for a while but can’t see red hood taking out Winter solider that easy if at all

Team 2

Team 1 wins. Nightwing defeats Daredevil after a tough fight. He has the slight advantage in intellect, acrobatics and skill. While Dick and Matt battle, Red Hood will take on Winter Soldier. Jason might win after a tough battle, due to the advantage intellect and skill since he was trained from young. Team 1 wins 5.5/10.

Team 2

Is New 52 Jason superior to pre-New 52 Jason?

Team 1.. Jason MVP currently he is still on venom.

bucky solos

@jedog: No way Bucky can solo this fight

If Jason is on Venom: Team 1

If He isn't: Team 2

Team 2

@joshua755: I feel like dare devil and night wing would team up to keep the others from killing eachother, because they don't kill, therefore turning the tables

Post Crisis Jason is a meh... Post Flashpoint is on venom.

@vinomonster: Even on venom I think Bucky can still take on Red Hood

Team1

Team 2, Daredevil effectively counters the stealth of either characters in this scenario, and he's just as good a Martial Artist as Nightwing, his physical advantage and ability to almost predict movements is going to put him on top in that fight. Dick isn't exactly renowned for his ability to always pick up on an enemy's weaknesses.

And Bucky simply out-shoots Red Hood, he's a trained killer and uses much better and more high-grade weapons than Jason Todd does, and in close quarters with either character, that metal arm gives him a huge advantage..

@conner_wolf: While I don’t think red hood can take out Bucky I do think night wing can take out Dare Devil in a tough fight

Team 2 and its really not close except for it being in gotham.... daredevil > grayson and winter soldier > Jason...

Team 2 take a slight majority thanks to matt's ecolocation and bucky's superior striking power w/cyberarm.

Team 2. DD's fighting skills are at least on par with Nightwing's (I'd say slightly better) and his senses give him an advantage. Red Hood and WS seem very close skill-wise but WS is stronger and his bionic arm gives him a real advantage.

INB4 lame and tired Jason one shots jokes.

Team 2 for the win. But, they better be damn careful about that all blades.

Really could go either way.

Jason is superhuman, so i'll say team one. Other than that, team two wins handily.

Team 1

Nightwing can stall Dareveil till jason beats Bucky

This one really could go either either way. Team 1 has teamwork, gear, and home field advantage. Team 2 has physicals and powers on their side. Dick is arguably the best fighter but both Matt and Bucky are better than Jason so as a team both are about even.

Honestly a solid argument for either team exists. 50/50 split, too close to call.

@granitesoldier: I agree

@conner_wolf: He picked up on Spinebender's weakness, he used Midnighter's advantages and turned them into weaknesses, he used the Talon's weakness, and he has that very useful body-reading ability, I'd say Dick could pick up on weaknesses pretty well...

I think Jason and Dick will win.

@acrokat: Yes, but the thing is, how did he figure out their weaknesses? What are he chances he could figure out Daredevil's?

You know what?

@conner_wolf: He figured them out while fighting them. With his body-reading he could figure out Matt's weakness but I don't think it would be during the start of the fight.

@acrokat:

are you talking about grayson number 1 when referencing the midnighter fight?? I do believe night wing could figure out that dd is blind eventually but not in a first time scenario as he isn't batman or tim drake for that matter when it comes to deductive reasoning..I also don't think he would fight matt dirty either as this isn't a bloodlust fight...I don't think grayson is on the same level skill wise as matt is and matt has the radar which is used much like the body reading is in dc... Yes I know grayson has said he reads body too which so far has only been basic martial arts talk and nothing like shiva or cass....Nightwing and matt are very comparable agility wise and could really be mirror images of each other in that department... now tech wise grayson has dd beat,, but I tend to think he will be low level until he is beat and then use more lethal the next time he fights.... ok Jason todd,, I haven't read the outlaw books and everyone says he is a beast in those but everything I have seen him in so far,, he has got his booty handed to him,, so I don't really know what to make of the character....WS in my opinion has to many way to beat him and I really think he beats grayson too... the team work aspect and the knowledge of the area is what makes this battle a lot closer

@acrokat: But I meant how did he figure them out? You state through reading body, but Daredevil's hearing can't be figured out by just looking at him.

Team 1.

I'm pretty sure it goes like this: Nightwing (by a little bit)> Red Hood> Bucky> DD

Just imagine that the fat guy is @allstarsuperman :D

@slimj87d: Hahahhahahaha you wrong though

@conner_wolf: @newecho: I'm referring to the 2nd time Dick and Midnighter fought in Grayson #6. I agree with you for the most part, but I think that Grayson is on Daredevil's level of martial arts be it a little below or a little above. His body reading is helpful in fights as he easily anticipated and caught a punch from Helena, not much, but it can help.

@conner_wolf: sorry I'm a little lazy at the moment, I'll do my best to explain how he detected weaknesses in those fights in a while from now. I think the body reading could help him detect Daredevil's blindness, I admit I'm not too sure how, but even without it he is super observant and aware.

@acrokat: Take your time, I get it, I'm lazy like that quite often myself. Overall, I just don't think Matt has any visual ticks that give off his blindness, or his ability to hear. Now the possibility does exist that he could use a sonic weapon, or caught a problem in noise to throw off his vision, but that chance is no absolute.

@acrokat:

Awh I haven't gotten that far yet : P.. I have only seen him say I kinda just read their body to Helena and the way I looked at it was he was just saying hey I do what most martial artist do and I have been training since I was a kid...I was interested to see if they made it more like a cass thing or not which truthfully I was hoping they wouldn't as I am still wanting cass to show up.. as far as body reading helping deduce he is blind? I don't about that considering matt's radar is above his body reading skill...

@newecho: Bruce states that Dick has a gift for reading motion body language.

@eddiehunter: yeah I had seen that before but still haven't seen him use as a cass or a shiva would and truthfully I hope he doesn't. .. he is already an awesome character and doesn't need that...dd' s use of radar still should be quite a bit above that and I don't see how move reading will help deduce that he is blind... thanks for the scan

Red Hood would take out Winter Soldier 90% of the time. I think Nightwing could hand with Daredevil for a long time and wait until Red Hood finished with Winter Solider although since its a team fight Winter Soldier and Daredevil to my knowledge haven't fought together whereas Nightwing & Red Hood but heads all the time but they do genuinely care what happens to the other so I don't see how Daredevil 7 Winter Soldier could hope to win this.

@conner_wolf: With Spinebender, it was something along the lines of Batgirl tells him that his body is partially made of something and Dick confirms it and electrocutes him. Midnighter studied Nightwing's fighting style and was prepared to fight that, but Dick countered by switching to his fighting style as Robin and gained the upper hand. I'm not sure how he found the Talon's vulnerability to cold to be honest, I think it was just prior knowledge.

I would imagine that every time a loud and irritating sound like that of metal banging against something would cause him to involuntarily twitch, or that since throughout the fight, Matt won't look directly at Grayson (unless you can prove that this type of thing doesn't happen to Matt). I feel like I'm reaching but I honestly think that Grayson can pick up on something as small as that, he was able to use a person's twitches to determine their mood, if they will hesitate, or if they are bluffing etc.