Logan has also outright stated that since she lost to Gorgon what chance does he have, implying Elektra is better then him.
Logan's statements mean nothing when his actions proved the complete opposite. Elektra literally could not even touch Gorgon when they fought. Logan may not have been good enough to beat Gorgon, but he was good enough to tag him repeatedly and rip big chunks of flesh out of his abdomen. And this was right after Logan claimed Elektra was better than him. Actions speak louder than words.
Logan has also outright stated that since she lost to Gorgon what chance does he have, implying Elektra is better then him. So only Logan rep statements count but not Elektra?
Logan's statement is clearly contradicted by the feats displayed right after the statement was made. Does Elektra have literally anything that contradicts that statement in any of her showings against Logan? No. There's one fight against Bone Claw Logan which was a training session, another where Wolverine's healing factor was shot to hell, and another where she's mind-controlled to be bloodlusted while Logan outright states he's holding back. You want to keep pretending these are impressive despite the context attached to each one, or that these are impressive enough to put Elektra on Daredevil's level when he's fought a serious, non-nerfed Wolverine in a no-context clash and won, be my guest.
I'm not blowing anything out of proportion she did very well against Bone Claw Logan up until the end. Not my fault Elektra did well.
For Christ's sake, the entire point of that encounter was that Logan needed to get his skill mojo back, and so they were training, not fighting.
Is this really the sum extent of your argument? Pretending a training session was a serious fight and tossing context to the winds to make Elektra seem better?
Wolverine may not be trying to kill "her" but that doesn't me that he can't knock her "out" or incapacitate her.
Here's the thing about knocking someone out or incapacitating them: it defeats the purpose of trying to get through to them.
If anything you are just trying you best to show Logan and none for Elektra.
I'm not doing anything beyond pointing out what actually happened. It's not my fault the truth shows Elektra as a lot less impressive than you imagine her to be.
Point is she defeated Task easily the next time. He who laughs last laughs best, but anyways. She is that good is my point.
She defeated Taskmaster because she had prepared for the move he would use.
Still doesn't take away the fact that Bullseye defeated Matt in volume 2 and stalemated him in volume one once.
Oh, get serious. Daredevil and Bullseye have something like 10 different fights; Daredevil has either wrecked Bullseye with ease or defeated him with varying degrees of difficulty in most of them. Bullseye has won once. You're arguing that even though Daredevil has won the solid majority of his fights with Lester and established himself as clearly superior, that one victory for Bullseye should suffice to cast aside all the other encounters and establish Bullseye as someone comparable to Daredevil in skill so that Elektra beating him makes her someone comparable to Daredevil as well.
Plus Matt couldn't beat him with skrull Elektra, and he had a very good showing on that one.
That was a good showing for Lester, not Matt. In the very same run, Daredevil fought Bullseye on his own both before and after the fight in Murdock Papers, first in Hardcore and then in The Devil in Cell Block D. Bullseye never stood a chance in either fight. Bullseye scraping out a stalemate in one encounter doesn't erase the humiliating defeats that preceded and followed that encounter.
Yes but even before the "context" comes into play they have been portrayed as equals in there fights as Daredevil has also never been able to defeat her.
Small wonder when he's nerfed or injured or has his leg caught in a trap.
She's a A-list as she has stalemated Shang-Chi
This wasn't even a H2H fight. They chucked knives at each other for a while. And stalemating Shang Chi certainly put Elektra on Wolverine-one-upping levels of skill, because it's not like Logan has made short work of Shang Chi or anything like that......oh wait, he has.
made Punisher look like a rookie
Not the time for jokes.
has incredible showings against Logan
Mmhmm.
Non NuDC Shiva does not look as good as her past self
Presumably you meant to say "now NuDc", which confuses me since none of the feats you mentioned were performed by nuDC Shiva.
Losing to Prom
Setting aside the truth about Chad Graham and all: really? Losing to a man whose gear gave him the combined skill of Batman, Shiva herself and an additional 28 of the best fighters on DC Earth, and who's backed up that skill by wrecking Batman himself, is a bad feat? Losing to man whose gear affords him hypnotic abilities, superhuman reaction time and whose main melee weapon can parry blows from Superman is a bad feat?
Really?
Did standards of poor performance change dramatically and no one told me or are you just reaching for whatever point you can think of? Prometheus would wipe the floor with Nightwing, Elektra and Shiva all at once if he felt like it.
Richard Dragon having the upper hand on her
This isn't even canon. Come on. At least Google this stuff.
to even Huntress knocking her down after she spat blood in her eyes.
Wow. I mean, wow. Huntress spends the entire fight getting her ass kicked and bones broken, but she lands one surprise hit on Shiva, which does virtually no damage at all to Shiva other than pissing her off enough for Black Canary to stop the fight, and that's supposed to make Shiva a lesser fighter? Because Huntress knocked her down once?
This is your idea of a poor showing on par with Elektra struggling to stalemate Black Widow?
To even Cass leaving her on a hook after easily defeating her.
Setting aside the fact that Cassandra Cain IS better than Shiva to begin with, and a lot better than Elektra could hope to be, Shiva entered that fight with the express wish to die.
By your same logic of bad showings for Elektra being a B list. I could say in the end Shiva stock went down and became a B list. But I don't think that's the type of logic that should be used for either. There both A lists accept Elektra has the better stat and exotic skill feats.
You could say so if your examples actually had any merit whatsoever. I mean, really: losing to freaking Prometheus? Getting punched once by Huntress? A non-canon fight against Richard Dragon?
Shiva still wins this fight and Elektra is still B-list.
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