Nightwing And Batman vs Red Hood, Red Robin and Damian Wayne

Pre 52

Round 1: Morals off

Bloodlust on

Gotham rooftops

Round 2: Morals on

Fight in wayne tower with no power

nightwing and batman take this one

Team 1.

Reasons?

Jason solos all of them at the same time.

Team one.

@allstarsuperman: Jason can't beat batman and probably can't beat dick so he would rely on his teammates heavily for the win

Jason has already beaten everyone here.

I'd wager Pre-Flashpoint Morals off Tim and Damian can beat Dick with some effort.

Jason can stall, avoid, evade, and run interference so Bruce can't help Grayson until he's dead, in which case it's three on one, and even the precious Batgod can't take Tim, Jason, and Damian on his own.

I'll give it to Red Team for the win, 7/10 times.

@allstarsuperman: But he hasn't beat 2 of them in a team has he (and he lost to dick in BftC)

(and he lost to dick in BftC)

PIS

I'm just joking. I don't really think Jason could solo. He could beat either Batman or Grayson, but IDK if he can fight one right after the other. I doubt it.

Jason's a hot head.. he'll be the easiest one out. Nightwing can take Damian in a close match and Tim is screwed.

I see Damian as more of a hothead. He'll charge in and get taken down quickly with stealth and gadgets. From there batman takes down Tim while Dick holds off Jason just in time for him and bats to take him down 2 to 1.

Batman can dispatch of Tim and Damian relatively quickly, neither have the skill or stats to hang for a long time with him. Nightwing should be able to hold Red Hood off long enough for Bruce to come in and finish the job.

Team 1 in a good match

Would batman have an advantage because of the location or would the others also know it well?

Team 1 in a good fight

nigthwing could solo

I have no idea why people say this. It literally couldn't be farther from the truth.

@allstarsuperman: Doesn't Jason plan things to the tiniest detail?

Pretty much, if you read Under the Red Hood and The Lost Days he is portrayed as a mastermind imho.

@allstarsuperman: Although I can see why some would think so. He was a hothead as robin.

True.

Would adding two days prep time heavily influence the results?

@allstarsuperman: Your right, Jason used to be a hot head but his actually smart with prep. to be honest, i just don't like his style. IMO he is the least skilled in the bat family when it comes to natural talent. Of course, this is my opinion.

@spartankilerz72: naw. I'd say Tim has the least talent as far as I know.

Team 2 Ftw

Good fight, team 1 has experience though and poise.

@allstarsuperman: I think Tim lacks the physical abilities like Damian and Grayson but I think his the closest to batman when it comes to intelligence. But then again, i think down the road, Damian might be superior to all of them when he grows up.

@spartankilerz72: Damian's too much of a hothead if any i can see Tim or Dick as batman but if Tim gets his strength and skill up he would be the best batman

@e5ten: lol true, Damian is a hot head, but his style is badass and I think he has the greatest potential.. But Damian will never become Batman, he doesn't have the personality and his not a responsible person. As to who would be batman's successor, Bruce would no doubt choose Dick.

Batman and night wing take this. Batman is the best combatant here and night wing is probably slightly below or equal to red hood

Team 1

Jason can stalemate batman

While tim and damien beat nightwing in a good fight

Team one. Batman easily the best here, Nightwing not far behind. Another thing to take in to account is the extraordinary level of teamwork on team 1, something that team two can't replicate with Damian and possibly Jason.

could go either way

@crimson_bat: Agreed! Damian would be hard to work with and Jason prefers to be a lone wolf as well.

Definitely! Plus I believe Dick was Robin the longest, and would have the most experience in that type of maneuver easily.

As of now Dick would be the best batman but in the future i could see Tim due to his detective skills and intelligence level.

@crimson_bat: Also batman would have an advantage as he knows the location better than anyone else.

So basically Batman and Batman vs Three Robins. I think it will be close, but I give it to the Batmans, Bruce and Dick just work too well together. Though to be honest I think Batman would come out on top regardless of who here he's partnered with here, ie if it were Batman and Damian, or Batman and Jason, or Batman and Tim.

@roaris87: Although Jason is basically on batman's level. So it's more like batman and batman vs batman and two robins. The question is are those two robins good enough combined to equal one more batman and balance the fight.

When is it stated that Jason is on Bruce's level?

@crimson_bat: Well he beat Bruce.

@crimson_bat: And this is going on Nightwing being almost on Bruce's level because Jason is somewhere from almost on Nightwings level to better than him

Tim may be the least naturally talented, but his learned skill arguably makes up for it since he was trained by Lady Shiva and is arguably the smartest person here next to Bruce, and Bruce already has his hands full with Jason.

If I added prep time would that influence the outcome heavily?

Ah okay.

Yeah. Tim has got a lot of training, but so has Jason. If you total up Jason's training it's kind of ridiculous. He trained under Batman, various world class assassins (setup by Talia), the All-Caste, and the League of Assassins (including Shiva and Bronze Tiger). Jason said Batman thought him everything he knew in Countdown to Final Crisis, and in Batman Annual 25 Jason apparently learned everything Batman learned from his training under Talia.

@allstarsuperman: That's a lot of training.