#1 Edited by nickthedevil (11607 posts) - - Show Bio

PikminMania vs Cosmicallyaware1 - Fortress of Solitude

Backflip vs Mr Ingenuity - Watch Tower

Soul_Rebel vs YoungJustice - Batcave

sync1 vs YourneighborhoodComicGeek - Hoover Dam

beatboks1 vs HigorM - Hellicarrier

nickzambuto vs Esquire - Pyramids

Cadence vs Fetts - Prison 42

blackadamFTW vs Progenitor - Hive

SpeedForceSpider vs Nickthedevil - Disney Land

robertloucksjr vs Marvel Beast - Six Flags

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Pikminmania

Leader: Deathstroke

Powerhouse: Dr. Doomsday (Amalgam)

Genius: Brainiac 5

Gladiator: Mirror Master

Novice: Captain Marvel Jr.

Scout: Darkclaw (Amalgam)

VS

cosmicallyaware

-LEADER = Mimic

-POWERHOUSE = Beta Ray Bill

-GENIUS = Metron

-GLADIATOR = Deathlok ( current version)

-NOVICE = Warlock (technarcy/New Mutants)

-SCOUT = Exiles/ AoA Blink

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backflip

Leader: Cyclops (Phoenix Force)

Powerhouse: Quasar

Genius: Sage

Gladiator: Mandarin

Novice: Thor Girl

Scout: Mace Windu

VS

Mr. Ingenuity

Leader: Classic Cable

Powerhouse: Cyborg Superman W/ Rings

Genius: Bruce Banner

Gladiator: War Machine

Novice: X-man

Scout: Nick Fury.

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soul_rebel

Leader: Optimus Prime (G1)

Powerhouse: Skaar

Genius: Bats 1 mil.

Gladiator: Conan

Novice: Beast Boy

Scout: Banshee

VS

Young Justice

Leader: Midnighter

Powerhouse: TBA

Genius: Henry Pym Jr

Gladiator: Violet Parr

Novice: Azari

Scout: Artemis Crock

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sync1

Leader: Hal Jordan

Powerhouse: Aquaman (w/Magic Hand)

Genius: Green Goblin

Gladiator:Deathstroke

Novice: Aqualad

Scout:Deadshot

VS

Yourneighborhoodcomicgeek

Leader: Master Chief

Powerhouse: TBA

Genius: TBA

Gladiator: Aku

Novice: TBA

Scout: Deadpool

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beatboks1

Leader - Cosmic boy

powerhouse - Lar Gand/Mon El

Genius - Vril Dox II

Gladiator - Captain Comet

Novice - Lydea Mallor

Scout - Argus

VS

HigorM

Leader: Iron Man

Powerhouse: Captain Atom

Genius: Reed Richards

Gladiator: Gorilla Grod

Novice: Magik

Scout: Black Panther

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Nickzambuto

Leader: Piccolo

Powerhouse: FPS Goku

Genius: Lex Luthor

Gladiator: Master Roshi

Novice: FPS Gohan

Scout: Monkey D. Luffy

VS

Esquire

Leader: Martian Manhunter

Powerhouse: Sodam Yat (Ion)

Genius: The Doctor (TARDIS)

Gladiator: Super Skrull

Novice: Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)

Scout: Gorgon (Godkiller)

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CadenceV2

Leader: Ultmate Magneto

Powerhouse: Hyperion

Genius: Ultimate Tony Stark

Gladiator: Angela

Novice: Ulti. Jean Grey

Scout: Liara (Mass Effect)

VS

Fetts

Leader: Palpatine

Powerhouse: Thor

Genius: Data

Gladiator: 1610 Colossus

Novice: Supergirl

Scout: Boba Fett

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BlackAdamFTW

Leader: Geo Force

Powerhouse: Captain Marvel

Genius: Anarky

Gladiator: Metamorpho

Novice: Atom Smasher

Scout: Prometheus

VS

Progenitor

Leader - Jackie Estacado.

Powerhouse - Namor (Phoenix). Limited TP as in rules, but use of TK.

Genius - Albert Wesker.

Novice - Raiden (MGS).

Gladiator - Mauvais Wendigo.

Scout - Winter Soldier.

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SpeedForceSpider

Leader: Ultimate Captain America

Powerhouse: Black Adam

Genius: Doctor Doom

Gladiator: Nova

Novice: Superboy (No TK)

Scout: Spiderman

VS

Nickthedevil

Leader: Violator

Powerhouse: Spawn

Genius: Hank Pym

Gladiator: Black Manta

Novice: Redeemer

Scout: Daken

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robertloucksjr

Leader - Loki (with his magic sword Laevateinn)/if he is Genius then Ms. Marvel

Powerhouse - Valor (grown up Mon-El)

Genius - Magneto (not Ultimate)/if not Loki (with his magic sword Laevateinn)

Gladiator - Vision

Novice - Miss Martian

Scout - Sabretooth with Adamantium bones/claws

VS

marvelbeast

leader: patriot

powerhouse: hulkling

genuis: wiccan

gladiotor: iron lad

novice: speed

scout: kate bishop

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12 hour prep is given, dossiers of the enemy is given two hours into this prep.

Now, I know that some of you updated your teams, post the updates and I will update. When I give confirmation that I updated them, Delete your psots to keep this one a clean slate. Cool? Cool.

#2 Posted by Fetts (4417 posts) - - Show Bio

Sweet! Lez do this.
 
I changed my leader to Palpatine.

#3 Posted by nickthedevil (11607 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: Done.

BTW, did anyone remember where the scenarios for the maps were?

#4 Edited by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Soooo...We just all do normal tourney-style debates, but in the same thread? That sounds...crowded. But we'll make it work.

Leader: Piccolo.....................Leader: Martian Manhunter

Powerhouse: FPS Goku........Powerhouse: Sodam Yat (Ion)

Genius: Lex Luthor.................Genius: The Doctor

Gladiator: Master Roshi.........Gladiator: Super Skrull

Novice: FPS Gohan...............Novice: Blue Beetle (Jaime Reyes)

Scout: Monkey D. Luffy..........Scout: Gorgon

Gear is as follows: MM (Unarmed), Sodam Yat (GL Ring), The Doctor (TARDIS, Sonic Screwdriver), Super Skrull (Unarmed), Blue Beetle (Scarab), Gorgon (Godkiller, Grasscutter, Sunglasses)

For my prep, The Doctor will use the TARDIS to retrieve items of advantage for my team. Traveling into the future, he'll get Sodam Yat 9 more GL rings from the future where all of the GLs but Yat are dead. He'll bring these and a lantern, so that Yat can charge them with the oath. He'll also acquire some of the anti-lead-poisoning serum created for Mon-El's use from the League of Super Heroes, and give this to Yat to cure his lead poisoning. He'll retrieve Grasscutter from the past, before it was broken, and give it to Gorgon. He'll also travel into the DBZ universes future and acquire detailed reports about your characters, the DC 'verse to get reports on Lex and the One Piece world for Luffy info.

Initial Brief Strategy: When the match opens, MM will use his considerable TP powers to cast an illusion over your team. They will believe that they're alone at the pyramids and they have no one to fight, and so will let their guard down. Blue Beetle has been stated to have planet-destroying weapons, so he'll unleash devastation over your unsuspecting team. If anyone is still alive, Manhunter, Sodam Yat, and Super Skrull will pound them to death.

Bring it on, Zambuto!

#5 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@Esquire said:

Map scenarios are in the OP of the Sign-Up thread.

Nickzambuto's team is as follows:

Leader: Piccolo

Powerhouse: FPS Goku

Genius: Lex Luthor

Gladiator: Master Roshi

Novice: FPS Gohan

Scout: Monkey D. Luffy

Thanks for putting my team up :)

How is this going to work? The thread is gonna get way to crowded with each debate all at once. I assume we're doing 1 debate at a time? Who goes first? Esquire already got up his part of our debate, so can me and him go at it?

#6 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (19938 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought I already announced my characters in the PM/thread?

#7 Posted by nickthedevil (11607 posts) - - Show Bio

Don't worry, this won't get crowded. Before you joined we used to do tourneys like this.

#8 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

Don't worry, this won't get crowded. Before you joined we used to do tourneys like this.

So we all go at once? And you say it's not gonna get complicated?

Well, I'll take your word for it. Argument be up... eventually.

#9 Posted by YoungJustice (6682 posts) - - Show Bio
#10 Posted by Illuminatus (9497 posts) - - Show Bio

The guy with Phoenix Cyclops and Quasar is going to wreck. Jussayin'.

#11 Posted by nickthedevil (11607 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, pheonix cyke is powered down to 1/5th of the pheonix force, and no misuse. This was already cleared up.

#12 Edited by beatboks1 (7000 posts) - - Show Bio

Alright I'll kick things off.

beatboks1 vs HigorM - Hellicarrier

what an advantage for me.

beatboks1

Leader - Cosmic boy

powerhouse - Lar Gand/Mon El

Genius - Vril Dox II

Gladiator - Captain Comet

Novice - Lydea Mallor

Scout - Argus

VS

HigorM

Leader: Iron Man

Powerhouse: Captain Atom

Genius: Reed Richards

Gladiator: Gorilla Grod

Novice: Magik

Scout: Black Panther

first of all my leader Cosmic boy will have Vrill use Silica to hack every system of the helicarrier. that will mean aside from facing my team we will have complete control of the ships systems including security and weapons. Add to that the fact that Cosmic boy himself has magnetic power on Magneto level if not above and I have complete control of the terrain on which we stand. I can literally yank the ground beneath his feet or have it wrap him up, and don't get me started with what I can do to a guy in an iron suit.

Mon-el ( who wields a GL ring) has Daxamite strength speed durability, will have the temporary lead cure that my genius developed for him in LEGION and with constructs and the abilities of the ring will easily surpass even Captain Atom in all levels.

Lydea mallor will have the whole terrain in absolute darkness courtesy of he shadow powers which will be another huge advantage to my team as Argus can see the entire electro magnetic spectrum and will still see perfectly, Mon-el will still have his vision hearing combined with the rings sensors, CB will be able to sense the iron in everyone's blood in relation to the metal around him and Vrill will know everyone's position because of the helicarriers sensors. Captain Comet will simply TP sense them even without his other enhanced senses.

Every member of my team will know where the opposition is at all times while only BP, Grodd and maybe IM will know of the opposition will know some of my teams positions. Why ? because while T'Challa may have enhanced senses I doubt he can see in complete darkness which would leave him only his hearing. Grod My have TP but so does Comet and Mon-el's ring has TP shielding as does Dox. Similarly I imagine Dox could fool Tony's sensors.

Higor will likely argue that Tony will hack as well but that wont happen. the technology of Colu is 1000's of years ahead of Earth. when Earth was still in the stone age Colu had sentient computers. Also Vrill has successfully hacked time displaced equipment of his descendant Brainiac 5. Nothing Stark has is going to compete with technology that can hack equipment with 10 centuries more advancement in seconds.

The sense advantage and terrain advantage I have will mean that this will easily be a 6 to 3 pretty damn quick courtesy of surprise. with the strength of Mon- el and Comet these two alone can strong arm most of Higor's team. Argus' vision will allow him to see any weak points in IM's armor plus it also allows movement reading and predictive vision ( he can see things about to happen) so out moving most of my opponents team will be child's play ( especially with them blind). Dox carries TP shielding so Grodd will all but useless ( especially with a GL ring to aid).

really this just ends badly for Higor in so many ways. More than a few on my team can one shot his team on their own

Cosmic boy can simply take them by manipulating the iron in their blood.

Mon-El can speed blitz and really can just contain everyone in a GL conrstuct.

Comet's TK is almost without peer, and while retrained with his TP he has matched several of the best. Add super speed strength, invulnerability energy manipulation

Lydea can put a solid shadow construct through all of them or simply encase them in one (she could deal with Lobo with her solid darkness).

Let's not forget Vrill who's taken on and matched Lobo in physical combat by enhancing himself, taken down Pulsar Stargrave who's an energy manipulator on Cap Atoms level with a disruptor he cam up with that unbalanced his power and made him go nova, dealt with matter manipulators, shape changers and high level TPers etc. he carry's devices that can deal with every powerset of his own legion which means he can deal with all here.

#13 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

CadenceV2

Leader: Ultimate Magneto (Helmet)

Powerhouse: Hyperion (Supreme Verse)

Genius: Ultimate Tony Stark (Iron Man Suit)

Gladiator: Angela (Holy Spear, Holy Blade)

Novice: Ultimate Jean Grey (Radar and Scanner Proof Suit)

Scout: Liara (Mass Effect) (Predator Pistol, Her Armour)

VS

Fetts

Leader: Palpatine

Powerhouse: Thor

Genius: Data

Gladiator: 1610 Colossus

Novice: Supergirl

Scout: Boba Fett

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Ooooh this is gonna be violent.

Alright Opening Statment:

Im not sure where wer starting but Ultimate Tony is smarter than his 616 Counter Part. He has a Tumor name Anthony that can hack some of the most Adavance Tech without Tony's help. With Tony and Anthony working on the Tech Hacks I can and should have Control.

My first job is for Jean to link everyone via TP (common feat) and then with Magneto scan and find the oppossition without moving where I am. Magneto (Scans can be provided) sees through Metal. In this level I can track my opponent and attack him him without moving. Same with Gene holding back Palpatine in a Mind War!

Liara will throw up a massive Biotic Barrier that will keep out any outside attacks or Blitzes. Hyperion from Supreme Verse is a exact copy in stats of Squadron Sinister Hyperion and his Super Speed should keep up with Supergirl Blitzing.

Main Attack:

I will stay on my side and kill most of Fetts team with Magnetos powers (Data and Boba easily) and his ability to track them through Metal. Phoenix will battle his heaveist hitter Palpatine and with palpatine occupied by Phoenix Mags can kill him with Metal.

That leaves Colossus, SuperGirl, and Thor.Jeans help feeding my team via TP intel from Mags and Tony mapping the place means there is nowhere for Supergirl, Colossus, or Thor can go I cant find or counter.

So at this point Mags does his best to Pin Colossus (Dragging him to a crawl).

Hyperion will battle Supergirl.

Angela has harmed World Destroying Dark God Urizen with her Holy Lightning as well wrap him up in Unbreakable Ribbons. Thus Her vs Thor is a smart choice with Tonys help. She can Teleport via Lightning to Thor and wrap him up in Ribbons. Tony beat on him with his Strength and angela Stabs him with her Holy Blade. He will die.

Phoenix at this point should mentaly bombard Supergirl down to speed so Hyperion gets the clear Adavatage. They win.

Everyone teams up on Fetts strongest member and Angela Holy Blade should cut thru him as well as Wolverines Adamantium Claws.

Win.

Your Move :)

#14 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

The guy with Phoenix Cyclops and Quasar is going to wreck. Jussayin'.

I appreciate the vote of confidence, I believe so too :P

#15 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

Genius: Bruce Banner

I take it that this is like Banner, just Banner. Because the Hulk ain't all that smart.

#16 Posted by marvelbeast (602 posts) - - Show Bio

complely new team

leader supersoldier

powerhouse dr strangefate

genius iron lantern

gladiotor thorion

novice sparrow

scout spiderboy

#17 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@marvelbeast said:

complely new team

leader supersoldier

powerhouse dr strangefate

genius iron lantern

gladiotor thorion

novice sparrow

scout spiderboy

Yeah no. No way is it fair to allow you to change your team once all the matches have been settled.

This is getting a bit ridiculous with all the team changes.

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@Backflip said:

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

Genius: Bruce Banner

I take it that this is like Banner, just Banner. Because the Hulk ain't all that smart.

With Bruce in control he is.

Well if he's in Hulk form you should've stated, because as far as I, and probably everyone else was aware, this was just Banner, as in, the Banner that was seperated from the Hulk, not the Hulk in any way shape or form.

Hey you're input on these would be really appreciated :P

#18 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice said:

@marvelbeast said:

complely new team

leader supersoldier

powerhouse dr strangefate

genius iron lantern

gladiotor thorion

novice sparrow

scout spiderboy

Was it approved, you arent supposed to be making new teams so late in the game I belive.

No it wasn't, that's why it's a bit ridiculous.

#19 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@Backflip: It's the same as CadenceV2 with ultimate tony stark.

Never said he was separated.

Not really, Tony Stark has never been 'separated' from his status as Iron Man. whereas Banner, has been separate from the Hulk for the last few years or so, with only a few sporadic returns to the Raging Green. But yeah, currently in continuity, Hulk and Banner are seperate entities. Whereas currently, Tony Stark is Iron Man. So your point doesn't hold weight.

#20 Edited by YoungJustice (6682 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm am going to be excluding the leaders from my debate until my opponenet updates.

Batcave: No scenario. Everything is there, from the giant mechanical T-rex and batmobiles, to the rogues gallery weaponry and the batsuits (No insider) ~20 points

Powerhouse: Maxima

Gladiator: Yoda

Genuis: Ultron (Phalax)

Novice: Raven (2'cd Inc.)

Scout: Artemis Crock

vs

Powerhouse: Skaar

Genius: Bats 1 mil.

Gladiator: Conan

Novice: Beast Boy

Scout: Banshee

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Okay, I first want to state this is the layout of the batcave I am using.

This is the most spacious and detailed version.

So let's assume we both start facing each other in the middle of the page.

This is where my team starts going off.

Maxima could litterally knock Banshee's head off when he starts to scream, look what she does to Superman.

She punched Superman with enough force to send him shooting up into the sky, Banshee and his scream wont be a problem.

Skaar will most likely now attack maxima.

I will get to that later.

Beast Boy also is not a problem, he gets stabbed thru the chest by Yoda, BB doesnt have the speed or reaction speed to evade.

2:03

Yoda easliy pounces off the walls with no struggle.

Batman 1 Milllion would be a hard opponent, but would be bested by Ultron, who eaily killed Moondragon in her dragon form.

He will do the same thing to the featless Batman 1 Million.

Now we have Conan, he would be defeated by the combination of my team (-Maxima)

Artemis's arrows easily triped Superboy.

1:24

While Ultron can start jobbing with Conan, that is until Ultron is cut in half.

Raven finishes the job.

Traps him in her soul self.

Now Maxima vs Skaar.

Well the only thing I can say is that.

Maxima Stomps in a horrible mismatch.

She could use her illusions to make Skaar think that he had killed her.

Then, Maxima could easily just Raven trap Skaar in her soul self.

#21 Posted by Fetts (4417 posts) - - Show Bio

All in one thread. Sounds intriguing. 
 
@CadenceV2 said:

CadenceV2

Leader: Ultimate Magneto

Powerhouse: Hyperion (Supreme Verse)

Genius: Ultimate Tony Stark

Gladiator: Angela

Novice: Ultimate Jean Grey

Scout: Liara (Mass Effect)

VS

Fetts

Leader: Palpatine

Powerhouse: Thor

Genius: Data

Gladiator: 1610 Colossus

Novice: Supergirl

Scout: Boba Fett

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Ooooh this is gonna be violent.

Alright Opening Statment:

Im not sure where wer starting but Ultimate Tony is smarter than his 616 Counter Part. He has a Tumor name Anthony that can hack some of the most Adavance Tech without Tony's help. With Tony and Anthony working on the Tech Hacks I can and should have Control.

My first job is for Jean to link everyone via TP (common feat) and then with Magneto scan and find the oppossition without moving where I am. Magneto (Scans can be provided) sees through Metal. In this level I can track my opponent and attack him him without moving. Same with Gene holding back Palpatine in a Mind War!

Liara will throw up a massive Biotic Barrier that will keep out any outside attacks or Blitzes. Hyperion from Supreme Verse is a exact copy in stats of Squadron Sinister Hyperion and his Super Speed should keep up with Supergirl Blitzing.

Main Attack:

I will stay on my side and kill most of Fetts team with Magnetos powers (Data and Boba easily) and his ability to track them through Metal. Phoenix will battle his heaveist hitter Palpatine and with palpatine occupied by Phoenix Mags can kill him with Metal.

That leaves Colossus, SuperGirl, and Thor.Jeans help feeding my team via TP intel from Mags and Tony mapping the place means there is nowhere for Supergirl, Colossus, or Thor can go I cant find or counter.

So at this point Mags does his best to Pin Colossus (Dragging him to a crawl).

Hyperion will battle Supergirl.

Angela has harmed World Destroying Dark God Urizen with her Holy Lightning as well wrap him up in Unbreakable Ribbons. Thus Her vs Thor is a smart choice with Tonys help. She can Teleport via Lightning to Thor and wrap him up in Ribbons. Tony beat on him with his Strength and angela Stabs him with her Holy Blade. He will die.

Phoenix at this point should mentaly bombard Supergirl down to speed so Hyperion gets the clear Adavatage. They win.

Everyone teams up on Fetts strongest member and Angela Holy Blade should cut thru him as well as Wolverines Adamantium Claws.

Win.

Alright. It's time to dance. You may want to brace yourself. 
 
 
WARNING: EXTREME BADASSERY 
 
 
 I'll be starting with my own strategy and tie it in to yours after. 
 
 
 
Today class, you are about to witness the best strategy to come to Comic Vine. Ever. Today, I am going to stop the constant flow of time throughout quite possibly the entire Negative Zone universe. And I'm going to do it all while following the rules. Furthermore, Data, Thor, and Palpatine are the only people required to this. 
 
 
 
The Negative Zone is a universe filled with antimatter. However, it is also filled with oxygen. So I can safely assume that the Negative Zone is a matter/antimatter universe. Matter/antimatter is something Data is very experienced with. As stated in the original OP, our geniuses have unlimited access to equipment so long as they fit the rules and can be carried in one trip. Data will be bringing six subspace isolation field armbands. Theywere invented by Data and Geordi LaForge in the episode "Timescape". These armbands will make my team immune to the effects of what we're about to do. 
 
In order to understand how we're going to accomplish this, I'll have to explain to you the TNG episode: "Timescape". In this episode, a race of alien being capable of time traveling were out to look for a blackhole to place their young into for incubation purposes. They mistook a Romulan Warbird's artificial quantum singularity (artificial blackhole which they were using for an engine core) as a natural blackhole. This caused the warbird to have some... technical difficulties, and the USS Enterprise (minus Picard, Data, LaForge, and Troi) responded. IIRC, they transfered power from the warp core (consisting of matter/antimatter) and used that energy to fire a power transfer beam to the Warbird. The interaction with the beam and the time traveling alien-occupied artificial quantum singularity caused an explosion of the time/space continuum. 
 
So here ladies and gentlemen, we have a formula. 
 
blackhole + time traveling capabilities + matter/antimatter= explosion of the time/space continuum. 
 
All of which we have. 
 
Blackhole: Check 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Note: I take no credit for these scans. All of these are from Silver2467's superb Darth Sidious Respect Thread. 
 
Time traveling capabilities: Check 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Note: I know what you're thinking. Time Manipulation is against the rules. However, Thor does not have to actually utilize these powers. So long as the power is actually there. It was the same case for the time traveling aliens. They weren't actually harnessing their time traveling powers in the artificial blackhole. But because those powers were present, it caused the explosion of the time/space continuum.  
 
Now Thor did eventually lose these powers. However, you'll find that in the original thread, I specifically asked for Classic Thor. So these feats still apply. 
 
Matter/antimatter source: Check (I already explained that) 
 
 
 
Alright, now I tie this into your strategy. 
 

Now I still have Supergirl, Boba Fett, and Ultimate Colossus. And in fact, Thor can and will join them as well. Palpatine's Force Storm will only take a couple of seconds to manifest it but anything can happen in those couple of seconds. 

We have multiple ways of finding your team as well (Data's tricorder, Supergirl X-Ray vision, and Palpatine's Force sense) 
 
Once Supergirl sees where your team is, Supergirl will be flying circles around your team hitting them heat vision and fists of fury and whatnot. This, and Thor using lightning on that general area, should buy us a couple of seconds. How powerful Liara's Biotic Barriers are I have no idea. I doubt it's a match for Thor's lightning or Supergirl's attacks. You suggesting Hyperion would probably have to keep up with Supergirl's speedblitzing implies that it couldn't. So your team should have a pretty big problem on your hands for a couple of seconds. And a couple of seconds is all the distraction we need. Jean couldn't concentrate on using her telepathy (she's been defeated because of that before) and I have no doubt Ultimate Magneto would react by putting up an electromagnetic field and Ultimate Iron Man putting up his own shields as well. If they don't, then the hell with the time/space explosion. We just kill most of your team right there.
 
Meanwhile, the rest of my team will be putting armbands around themselves and Thor. Once Thor has his, he'll use his own speed to give Supergirl her armband. And then, he will throw Mjolnir into the black hole. From there we can do whatever we feel like to your team. 
 
And that ladies and gentlemen, is how you create an explosion of the time/space continuum. 
 
#22 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: Im going to work but You may have notice your Plan Fails already ;) I have one MAJOR Comeback.

Phoenix here mind battles and brushes off Xavier with ease twice. She is Mind batteling Palpatine. Thus no wormhole :)

Happy days.

#23 Posted by Fetts (4417 posts) - - Show Bio
@CadenceV2 said:

@Fetts: Im going to work but You may have notice your Plan Fails already ;) I have one MAJOR Comeback.

Phoenix here mind battles and brushes off Xavier with ease twice. She is Mind batteling Palpatine. Thus no wormhole :)

Happy days.

... I already explained my counter for that.
 
 Furthermore, telepathy is quite limited in this tourney. Read the rules dude.
#24 Posted by marvelbeast (602 posts) - - Show Bio

sorry everybody my cousins like to mess with my account and well they decided to change my team when i was asleep so dont count that team change

#25 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7213 posts) - - Show Bio

@Backflip:

backflip

Leader: Cyclops (Phoenix Force)

Powerhouse: Quasar

Genius: Sage

Gladiator: Mandarin

Novice: Thor Girl

Scout: Mace Windu

VS

Mr. Ingenuity

Leader: Classic Cable

Powerhouse: Cyborg Superman W/ Rings

Genius: Bruce Banner

Gladiator: War Machine

Novice: X-man

Scout: Nick Fury.

Scenario: Fully operational, no escape pods, the only source of oxygen is the garden. keep that intact, as well as the outer walls. Caution is needed here.

For Prep.

Bruce will put his genius to work & up grade Nick Fury w/banner tech. Which includes the gamma & old power fueled shield, Old powered taser, & scanner.

Shield

Old power taser

Scanner

Nick Fury will bring his usual tech & 50 LMDs armed & w/tech that will be under the control of Cyborg Superman. Allowing easy transport.

All LMDs will be armed with these. Last scans shows he has stocks of LMDs.

Cyborg Superman will also take over the watchtower being the ultimate technopath & link with War Machine. So my team will know where everyone is at all times.

X-Man & Cable will coordinate every thing with telepathy so communications will be instant and constant. Plus adding telepathic ease dropping on your team's thoughts.

I'll post X-Man & Cable scans later.

#26 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7213 posts) - - Show Bio

@Backflip:

This will be interesting seeing how cable got the just because you can doesn't mean you should speech back from Cyclops and Professor X, but now it's OK in Cyclops' book. So doubt Cable will hold back.

Cables TP feats.

Reading the minds of the entire world that Emma has to use the cerebro to shield the X-Men.

With two omega class telepaths, ease dropping will not be a problem.

I'll post scans of telepathic links if needed.

I would like to point out Sage is nigh useless with tech against Cyborg Superman assimilating all the tech in the Watchtower including your team's tech.

Cyborg Superman takes control of alpha lanterns.

#27 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

For my prep, The Doctor will use the TARDIS to retrieve items of advantage for my team. Traveling into the future, he'll get Sodam Yat 9 more GL rings from the future where all of the GLs but Yat are dead. He'll bring these and a lantern, so that Yat can charge them with the oath. He'll also acquire some of the anti-lead-poisoning serum created for Mon-El's use from the League of Super Heroes, and give this to Yat to cure his lead poisoning. He'll retrieve Grasscutter from the past, before it was broken, and give it to Gorgon. He'll also travel into the DBZ universes future and acquire detailed reports about your characters, the DC 'verse to get reports on Lex and the One Piece world for Luffy info.
Initial Brief Strategy: When the match opens, MM will use his considerable TP powers to cast an illusion over your team. They will believe that they're alone at the pyramids and they have no one to fight, and so will let their guard down. Blue Beetle has been stated to have planet-destroying weapons, so he'll unleash devastation over your unsuspecting team. If anyone is still alive, Manhunter, Sodam Yat, and Super Skrull will pound them to death.
Bring it on, Zambuto!

I've been looking foward to finally getting a crack at you Esquire. Brace yourself!

Now... uhh... is there a flaw in your plan or am I missing something? You guys can travel as far into the future as you want, unless you travel to the end of time there will always be Green Lantern's. The current ones alive in our time may die, but they'll just be replaced by more.

If you want every GL to be dead so that Sodam Yat can get their rings, you'll need to basically travel to the end of the universe, but by that time, the rings themselves will be gone as well. So that's a pretty big flaw in your plan.

Now, as for traveling into the DBZ universe to get reports on my guys, that won't work. Goku was a relatively famous guy after defeating King Piccolo, but after that, in between the time from Dragon Ball to Dragon Ball Z, he spent 5 years with Chi Chi and Gohan in the mountains. He fell completely off the map at that point, and it wasn't long before people forgot about Goku all together once Hercule stepped onto the scene. The only info you might be able to gather about Goku and Piccolo is some way outdated power reports. With Gohan, you'll literally get nothing at all.

Getting reports on Lex, same scenario. The only people who know the real Lex Luthor besides himself are a very select few super heroes. In the eyes of the public, he's just your average corporate CEO. The reports on him your team gets will paint him as the kind hearted CEO of Lexcorp. Nothing at all will hint you to his dastardly ways. You will be completely unprepared for the cruel, cold, calculating, evil mastermind he really is.

So, in the end, your plan will do nothing more than work in my favor. Your team is going to retrieve a bunch of misinformation about the majority of my team, with the only helpful info being about Roshi and Luffy. Everyone else, your team will come away with the complete wrong idea, and thus will be completely unprepared for the real fight. The Doctor will end up prepping for Colossus when he's actually facing Hulk, if you know what I mean.

Now for the actual fight. I have the advantage of Lex Luthor being on my team. Coming from the same world as Martian Manhunter, it shouldn't be too difficult for him to realize that mind attacks against his team are imminent. So, it's off to the lab to retrieve a few TP jamming devices.

So now that we're on the battlefield, MM will find himself unable to conjur an illusion on my team, as Luthor's devices are doing a good job of keeping his mind at bay.

Now, at this point, your entire plan has pretty much fallen apart. You failed to get Yat his rings. You failed to study up on my team. And you failed to play mind tricks on us.

It's basically gonna be a brawl now. Without MM casting an illusion on us, my team will not hesitate to bum rush you guys, and with our far superior power, you won't last long.

First thing that's gonne happen, Lex is gonna suit up in the battle armor. He can go toe to toe with Big Blue in that, so Martian Manhunter will be much the same. Only difference being, Superman doesn't have a crippling fear of fire like J'onn does.

With an intellect like that of Lex Luthor, he should be capable of devicing some way to take advantage of the Martian's weakness, and in conjunction with his battle suit, effectively defeat him.

You say Blue Beetle's weapons can destroy Earth? That's no biggie, the Z Fighters have been tanking planet busting attacks since the Saiyan Saga.

Vegeta's Galick Gun was going to destroy the planet, and then some. Goku's Kamehameha was more powerful than the Galick Gun, and Vegeta took that blast in stride then came back for more.

With power levels like that, Gohan should be more than capable of defeating Blue Beetle, and that's speed and skill aside.

The Doctor, I'm afraid I'm no expert on. But from what I know, there's not much stopping Piccolo from just one shotting him within the first seconds of the fight, right?

So already it's a 5 on 4. After taking care of Mr. Who, Piccolo will tag team with Goku against Sodam Yat. With Lex Luthor on their team, the Z Fighters will be well aware of the Green Lantern's weakness to yellow energy, soo...

Yeah, I went there...

Meanwhile, Master Roshi will be duking it out with Super Skrull. KI'rt is a bit stronger than Thing, yes? Well, Roshi is a bit stronger than Krillin, and as you can see...

A bit of math indicates this boulder to weigh about 350 tons. However, for simplicity's sake,

This real life boulder weighs 340 tons, and it's noticeably smaller than the one Krillin owned.

So I've got strength locked up. Speed?

Yeah. Skill?

Most def.

Super Skrull has a few tricks up his sleeve, but this post is long enough as is, so I'll leave those to you. For now, I'm pretty sure Master Roshi has this.

And that leaves Luffy VS Gorgon.

NUFF' SAID.

#28 Edited by HigorM (3594 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay let´s do this..

beatboks1 vs HigorM - Hellicarrier

what an advantage for me.

beatboks1

Leader - Cosmic boy

powerhouse - Lar Gand/Mon El

Genius - Vril Dox II

Gladiator - Captain Comet

Novice - Lydea Mallor

Scout - Argus

VS

HigorM

Leader: Iron Man

Powerhouse: Captain Atom

Genius: Reed Richards

Gladiator: Gorilla Grodd

Novice: Magik

Scout: Black Panther

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So we are fighting in the SHIELD Hellicarrier, which by the way was designed by both Iron Man and Reed Richards, two of my 4 characters who possess genius level intelect. Tony while using his suit have the ability to control advanced technology via technopathy, that means he can fight while hacking the systems, of course being helped by Reed Richards, which makes everything more difficult to Vril Drox, because he not only have to hack the hellicarrier but also deal with Mr. Fantastic "counter hack". Not to mention that both Tony and Reed are used to deal with opponents with "superior" intelligence and technology. As far as the Cosmic Bot power magnetism, Stark was able to defend himself against the same power from Magneto recently, so that´s not going to work at all, his advanced suit has answers to almost everything these days. Oh, and talking about magnetism, Iron Man can just use his polar magnetic field to neutralize Cosmic Boy´s power and other enemies weapons and gear.

- Here Iron Man hacks a sophisticated systems like the Kree network:

- Polar Magnetic Field:

Iron Man vs Magneto:

- Another thing, his armor has some very advanced senses, which can sense even Magic, so nobody is invisible for his "eyes":

Mr. Fantastic is also able to counter Cosmic Boy magnetism, with prep he was able to neutralize Magneto using a eletronic converter, which acts like a living mirror reflecting the power against it´s user imprisoning within a cone of your own making! And the more magnetic force Cosmic Boy use the more he´ll trap himself in that cone.

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Lydea mallor won´t have time to do none of those thing you said. Simply because Magik is there to take her to Limbo. Once Magik does it , she is out for the count. In the Limbo Magik is way too powerfull for her to handle, and it´s a matter of seconds so she can be defeated. After that Magik can come back to the Hellicarrier to help her team.

#29 Edited by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

Backflip Leader: Cyclops (Phoenix Force), Powerhouse: Quasar, Genius: Sage, Gladiator: Mandarin, Novice: Thor Girl, Scout: Mace Windu

VS

Mr. Ingenuity - Leader: Classic Cable, Powerhouse: Cyborg Superman W/ Rings, Genius: Bruce Banner, Gladiator: War Machine, Novice: X-man, Scout: Nick Fury

Righteo guys,

PREP

So evidently in the prep, I've definitely got the advantage. Cyclops is arguably the best leader in the entire marvel universe, and has much more experience at actual LEADING than Cable. He also has an indepth knowledge and experience surrounding Cable, Fury, and X-Man. So props for him. Furthermore, I have the input of Sage (Omniscient, super computer), Mandarin (Who's beaten War Machine before) and Mace Windu (Led god knows how many battles against the Separatists who're all expert strategists. In the alloted Prep time, I'd have Sage thoroughly analyze the Watch Tower (Which shouldn't take to long) and also via Mind link I'd have her download the data on each member of the opposing team. Sage knows EVERYTHING. Literally, she's omnipotent.

Finally, the last piece of Prep would involve Sage creating glasses for everyone that allow them complete database access to each of Mr. Ingenuity's team. This was how Prodigy (New X-Men) gained his glasses.

LET'S GET IT ON

Part 1, dismantle and Slaughter

As soon as the match starts, my team goes into action.

Cyclops will open the match by taking his visor off for a field wide blast. This will put a dent into whatever plan Ingenuity has concocted as it'll force his team to separate.

Once the dust clears, Sage will take control over War Machine with her hacking abilities. She's demonstrated that she can outhack the Fury (A being that adapts instantaneously to any threat), demonstrating her abilities are off the chart. War Machine will be hers within seconds once she gets going. After all, she's omniscient thanks to the Crystal Palace, therefore, she'll know all the codes to by pass War Machine's armour regardless.

Quasar would take down Cyborg Superman in record quick time. Sadly for the guy, he's part machine, which means he has a definite power source, so Quasar will exploit that by simply draining him of all his energy, therefore rendering him inert, just like he did to Jack of Hearts, and Living Laser

Absorbing Jack of Hearts energy, he can do the same to Cyborg Superman

So within seconds, Mr Ingenuity is severely on the back foot. His team has lost Cyborg Superman, and War Machine has shifted to my side.

Then Mandarin will make use of his Ice Ring, and it's absolute zero potential to freeze Cable and Nick Fury with 'Cold Fields'. Immobile, it'll allow Mace Windu to speed past and decapitate the pair of them.

Freezing Iron Man. He can do the same to Cable and Nick Fury very easily

Part 2, Consolidate the victory

This leaves Banner, and X-Man to be dealt with.

So yes, Hulk has been astablished as Banner, well that doesn't Matter, Quasar can contain him easily.

Quasar is going to Put Banner in a dome, and not let him out

.

As shown here, Hulk is unable to break Quasar's constructs, who is easily holding them up with little effort. Whilst Hulk is trapped, Everyone jumps on X-Man, kills the dude, then switches to Hulk. Before you say anything about it being a stronger Hulk, let's take into account that Quasar is blocking not just Hulk, but also Hercules, She Hulk, Rogue, Colossus, Vision, Warpath, Wonder Man, Sasquatch, and Thor. That is 6 guys over 100 tons, plus a couple of other super strong people. He's having an easy time, casually chatting to Captain America. So no, Hulk can't break out.

That leaves Cyclops, Sage, Mace Windu, Thor Girl and The Mandarin to take down X-Man.

I'd have Mandarin and Cyclops blast X-Man, sending him through the Watch Tower and into outer space, then get Quasar to plug the hole, leaving X-Man to suffocate.

This is the Mandarin sending Iron Man flying over 7000 miles with a single blast.

The combined might of Cyclops and Mandarin will overcome whatever shielding that X-Man might have and send him through the roof.

Hulk is the taken down by my team.

Thor Girl and Mace Windu lay the hurt down on Hulk with their weaponry Cyclops blasts him, Quasar locks him in unbreakable constructs and The Mandarin uses his selection of rings to bring on the pain. Sage also hacks any Banner Tech.

Actually, Quasar and the Mandarin combine the constructs with The Mandarin's white light ring which has gravity control. This allows Mace Windu to literally just cut off the Hulk head. Or alternatively, Cyclops to blow it into oblivion.

#30 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@Backflip:

This will be interesting seeing how cable got the just because you can doesn't mean you should speech back from Cyclops and Professor X, but now it's OK in Cyclops' book. So doubt Cable will hold back.

Cables TP feats.

Oh I was hoping you'd do that. None of those Cable feats are valid, as that is not Classic Cable, but 'Jesus' Cable. The 'Classic' Cable can barely make any use of his Telepathy due to the Techno-Organic virus. So no, you're invalid.

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

I would like to point out Sage is nigh useless with tech against Cyborg Superman assimilating all the tech in the Watchtower including your team's tech.

What gives you that impression?

As I proved, Sage has outhacked far stronger opponents than Cyborg Superman, and she's actually get the drop on him. He can't assimilate the tech, because Sage will have total control already. Her brain is a super computer, she will outmanoeuvre him at every stage. She is also omniscient, so again, you can't stop her, because she knows EVERYTHING, every code, every method, everything about you.

#31 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@Backflip said:

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@Backflip:

This will be interesting seeing how cable got the just because you can doesn't mean you should speech back from Cyclops and Professor X, but now it's OK in Cyclops' book. So doubt Cable will hold back.

Cables TP feats.

Oh I was hoping you'd do that. None of those Cable feats are valid, as that is not Classic Cable, but 'Jesus' Cable. The 'Classic' Cable can barely make any use of his Telepathy due to the Techno-Organic virus. So no, you're invalid.

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

I would like to point out Sage is nigh useless with tech against Cyborg Superman assimilating all the tech in the Watchtower including your team's tech.

What gives you that impression?

As I proved, Sage has outhacked far stronger opponents than Cyborg Superman, and she's actually get the drop on him. He can't assimilate the tech, because Sage will have total control already. Her brain is a super computer, she will outmanoeuvre him at every stage. She is also omniscient, so again, you can't stop her, because she knows EVERYTHING, every code, every method, everything about you.

You chose cyclops with Phoenix Force. I don't see the problem.

@nickthedevil said:

I do, however, feel that TK is jus another form of strength.

See Nick all ready allowed it.

Because that's not who you chose. You specifically stated CLASSIC Cable.

Now Hulk we can let slide, but that's just ridiculous.

Also, Jesus Cable, is way, way above Cyclops with the Phoenix Force

#32 Edited by Mr_Ingenuity (7213 posts) - - Show Bio

@Backflip:

Taking over War Machine is not possible & definitely with Cyborg Superman there. Having better technopathy feats Sage is out classed. Sage needed Storms help to break free of The Fury.

Tony Stark made War Machine scanner invisible meaning undetected period.

Cyborg Superman add to this.

Takes control of Apokolips technology (being way more advanced).

Gets access to most of the worlds computers.

And has taken control over a whole planet.

An a whole population.

Cyborg Superman is a consciousness & able to merge his mind with anything. With that much tech and all the LMDs, Quasar cannot drain him.

The attack.

With Cable and X-Man knowing your whole team's plan, it's easy for them to counter. Cable has held Cyclops' Optic blast in check. So no blast. Taking him out in a short TK battle.

X-Man will start confusion among your team, with illusions. Then follow with some TK blast. Crushing Mandarin, Sage, & Mace Windu.

Edit: Cyborg Superman will blitz with his yellow rings. Superman got stomped, I doubt Quasar does better.

Edit: War Machine will hit mach speeds and blitz to take out Quasar. While your team is still seeing the illusions, & Quasar is distracted.

Hulk will give the famous thunder clap. To the confused team. Sending Thor girl and any left overs back. Leaving them unconscious.

The 51 Nick Furys will be support. Surrounding, then emptying rounds after rounds into your team. While they are completely unaware.

With the combine effort of my team is enough to take out any one standing.

#33 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts: I dont remember them truth be told.....

I know Mind Raping isnt allowed and Im not doing that. Im simply keeping the Emperor from making a wormhole before Magneto kills him like this.

As far as Im concern Breaking the Time continuim is breaking the rules period. No matter how you slice it. All Im doing is preoccuping Emeprors Mind so Mags can kill Data, Palpatine, Boba, and maybe even Ultimate Colossus.... There is no iffy rule breaking with Mags Easily locating ya (Thank you Jean TP, Hyperion X-Ray Flash Vision, IM X-Ray Scanners and Access to the Level CPU, and Mags See through Metal) and kill ya within seconds.

#34 Edited by PikminMania (4628 posts) - - Show Bio

I was hoping you'd start our battle off if you don't mind.

#35 Posted by beatboks1 (7000 posts) - - Show Bio

@higorm. Reed will be more than a little distracted by the fact that his body wont be doing what it should and will be in immense pain. Dox has / carries a device that counters the shape shifting abilities of Durlans and causes them pain in the process. since Durlans shape shifting is much more adept than Reed it will easily foul him up. He also has a disruptor device that when used against Pulsar Stargrave ( a living star) made him loose control of his own energy. not to mention cybernetic devices that he can and has implanted to grant him complete control over beings. Finally lets not forget his subliminal programming capability. he's used that to control entire populations ( his home world of Colu for example). he will begin his hack by uploading said program into the system. the instant Stark and Reed access the system they will be his mind dupes believing what he wants them to is happening ehile actually doing something else to suit his needs. Their brilliance will actually be working for my side completely unbeknownst to them. Dox is after all a brilliant manipulator let's not forget. Seriously all Stark and Reeds great ability becomes an asset for me more than you

#36 Edited by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fetts:

Additional rules

The team with the most points at the end of Round 7 wins.

Throughout the rounds, different perks will be offered in which you may trade points for these perks to gain an added edge. These perks may boost entire teams, or specific castes, depending on the perk.

Telepathy is limited to mind reading and hallucinations. No Mindmessing. Prep will be given so plan accordingly.

Fantomex is not allowed. No BFR, No Time/Reality manipulation. No Toonforce. No teledropping/dismembering (That includes teleporting inside of).

Character Chemistry is non-applicable, however, Characters will not do things that are too out of character. Hank Pym won't build a nuke to destroy the maps, and Iron man won't build/lend Joker his own Iron man suit.

I get final say on what is/n't allowed.

Alright reposted the rules here. Mind Readin and Hallucinations only. Check. Also Time/Reality manipulation. I think destroying Rerality and Time is a form of Manipulation.

@nickthedevil can have the final say on this.

So Phoenix will Hallucinate Emeperor with Lukes everywhere ready to end him. That should buy me some time for Mags to do his thing as I can read all your minds and no your plan. Data will also be force destroyed as he is a metal cyborg!

I can end this easy quick thanks to Jean, Mags, and Tony alone.

#37 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@Mr_Ingenuity said:

@Backflip:

Taking over War Machine is not possible & definitely with Cyborg Superman there. Having better technopathy feats Sage is out classed.

Look at that second Feat, that is all Sage. She's hacked his security protocols, blinding him and making her seem like she isn't a threat. Also, as I said, how can you outhack someone who knows everything?

Cyborg Superman wouldn't protect War Machine, it's not in his character. More to the point, War Machine wouldn't let Cyborg Superman assimilate him.

Cyborg Superman is a consciousness & able to merge his mind with anything. With that much tech and all the LMDs, Quasar cannot drain him.

Edit: Cyborg Superman will blitz with his yellow rings. Superman got stomped, I doubt Quasar does better.

Edit: War Machine will hit mach speeds and blitz to take out Quasar. While your team is still seeing the illusions, & Quasar is distracted.

Cute, but no. Quasar has absorbed a sun from half a solar system away. He can drain the entire Watch Tower in an instant if he feels like it.

He has NANO-Second quick reaction time. He is the fastest guy here.

Oh and Illusions? Yeah No. Sage is immune to telepathy, so is Quasar. Thor Girl possesses the same enchantments as Thor, so she's probably highly resistant. Mace is a Telepath himself, and therefore Phoenix Cyclops only has to shield himself and Mandarin, easy peasy.

So that effectively rips your plans to shreads. Without your illusion, War Machine and Cyborg Superman are still going to go down.

Also, your LMDs?

Skip to 3.00 for the best bits. ;)

Bare in mind though, during the Prep, if we're allowed to bring in additional forces, then Mace is totally dragging in a Clone Army, or perhaps just a battle cruiser to blast your team to hell with.

#38 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (4266 posts) - - Show Bio

#39 Posted by nickthedevil (11607 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn. Really loving this debating guys. Best debates I've seen yet.

#40 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

Damn. Really loving this debating guys. Best debates I've seen yet.

Glad we're making you proud :P

#41 Edited by HigorM (3594 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1: Tony have resisted the slave disc the Warbound have implanted on him, being able to communicate with Dugan via his Extremis armor:

So he is not going to be controlled at all..

i´ll edit my first post so i can finish my strategy okay?

#42 Posted by YoungJustice (6682 posts) - - Show Bio

@nickthedevil said:

Damn. Really loving this debating guys. Best debates I've seen yet.

(blushes)

#43 Posted by YoungJustice (6682 posts) - - Show Bio

#44 Posted by cosmicallyaware1 (4266 posts) - - Show Bio

sorry I have been taking so long to get mine started guys........ may not be until tomorrow. Unless my opponent wants to start and then I will rebuttal?

#45 Posted by beatboks1 (7000 posts) - - Show Bio

Resisting the slave disk is 't the same as sibliminal messages that reprogram your thoughts without your knowledge. Dox is the master at that type of thing. uour guys wont even know they're being manipulated to fight it. anyone / everyone on your team will not be at their best if they have simply looked at a computer screen ( which to do what you said both Stark and Richards have to do). Lydea doesn't need time her shadow projections are instantaineous. not to mention solid so once up there is a force field around her, how is Magic even getting to her to BFR. Also any BFR can be countered and team brought back with Mon-el's ring as soon as he senses ( which he'll be on the watch for as per CB's instructions knowing the enemy has a teleporter). knowing that Reed has countered Magnetic before CB will be appropriately prepared he's beaten powered enemies when depowered so no real issue he was one of the longest siting chairmen of LOSH for that reason

#46 Posted by nickzambuto (12979 posts) - - Show Bio

Where the hell are you ?

#47 Posted by Backflip (2256 posts) - - Show Bio

@cosmicallyaware1: I think Pikmin wanted you to start

#48 Edited by Fetts (4417 posts) - - Show Bio

@CadenceV2  said: 


I get final say on what is/n't allowed.

Alright reposted the rules here. Mind Readin and Hallucinations only. Check. Also Time/Reality manipulation. I think destroying Rerality and Time is a form of Manipulation.

@nickthedevil  can have the final say on this.

So Phoenix will Hallucinate Emeperor with Lukes everywhere ready to end him


I'm not destroying time or reality in the slightest. I'm simply causing time to stop. Secondly, I'm not manipulating time freezing powers at all. I'm just creating an explosion of the time/space continuum, causing time to freeze quite possibly across the entire Negative Zone universe. If I was manipulating time  I could do it at any round I please. That is not the case. It wouldn't work in any other place because Prison 42 is the only place filled with matter/antimatter. 
Manipulation would be like Cyclops shooting an optic blast (energy manipulation) or Thor actually utilizing his time stopping powers (THAT'S time manipulation), which I'm not. 
 
LMAO! You honestly think THAT'S going to take Sidious down???????? I can't post link for whatever reason but check out my debate with Sherlock in your Theme Tourney Battle. There I explain why illusion wouldn't work. Sith and Jedi don't rely on their sight. They rely on their Force Senses. And since you can't mess with Palpatine's mind and make him believe he doesn't have Force Senses, he's peachy. In fact, I don't think either would work at all, considering Palpatine is probably superior in telepathy. Ya I just went there. When Ultimate Jean Grey has telepathy feats as impressive as the ones I'm about to show you, you let me know.
  
*Taken from Silver's Darth Sidious respect thread. I take NO credit for the following quotes and scans*



Forces fear and aggression into the minds of Jedi scattered across the galaxy. 
 

 
Communicates with Mara Jade lightyears away from her and creates an astral presence of himself so she can see him. 
 


  They got up from the bench and began to amble back toward the university complex. Plagueis submerged himself deeply in the Force to study Palpatine, but he was unable to glean very much. Humans were difficult to read in the easiest of cases, and Palpatine’s mind was awash in conflict.  So much going on in that small brain,

 Plagueis told himself. So much emotional current and self-interest. So unlike the predictable, focused intellects of the Outer Rim sentients, especially the hive-minded among them.

“Palpatine, I wonder how you would feel about working with us—Damask Holdings, I mean.”
Palpatine’s thick eyebrows beetled. “In what capacity?”
“To be perfectly blunt, as a kind of spy.” He went on before Palpatine could speak. “I won’t say that you and I want the same things for Naboo, because clearly—and notwithstanding your feelings about the architecture—you hold your world dear. My group, however, is less interested in Naboo’s government than it is in Naboo’s plasma and what it will fetch on the open market.”
Palpatine looked as if the plain truth was something new to him. “If you had phrased that any differently, I would have rejected your offer out of hand.”
“Then you accept? You’re willing to update us regarding whatever political machinations your father’s group may have in the works?”
“Only if I can report directly to you.”
Plagueis tried once more to see him in the Force. “Is that your wish?”
Palpatine returned a sober nod. “It is.”
“Then by all means, you’ll report exclusively to me,” Plagueis said. “I’ll see to it that the necessary arrangements are made.” He stepped away from the speeder as Palpatine powered it up.

Palpatine’s expression softened. “For a time I thought about adopting the name of our distaff line. I haven’t rejected the dynasty I was born into. I’ve rejected the name I was  given. But not for the grandiose reasons some think. Just the opposite, actually. I’m certain that you, of all beings, understand as much.”
There it was again, Plagueis thought: the deceptive cadence; the use of flattery, charm, and self-effacement as if rapier feints in a duel. The need to be seen as guileless, unassuming, empathetic. A youth with no desire to enter politics, and yet born for it.
Tenebrous had told him from the start that the Republic, with help from the Sith, would continue to descend into corruption and disorder, and that a time would come when it would have to rely on the strengths of an enlightened leader, capable of saving the lesser masses from being ruled by their unruly passions, jealousies, and desires. In the face of a common enemy, real or manufactured, they would set aside all their differences and embrace the leadership of anyone who promised a brighter future. Could this Palpatine, with Plagueis’s help, be the one to bring about such a transformation?
Again he tried to see deeper into Palpatine, but without success. The psychic walls the youth had raised were impenetrable, which made the young human something rare indeed. Had Palpatine somehow learned to corral the Force within himself, as Plagueis had concealed his own powers as a youth?
“Of course I understand,” he said finally.

Palpatine’s expression darkened. “You know nothing of my true nature.” He paced away from Plagueis, then stopped and turned to him. “You never asked about the killings.”
“I’ve never been one for grim details,” Plagueis said. “But if you need to unburden yourself, do so.”
Palpatine raised his clawed hands. “I executed them with these! And with the power of my mind. I became a storm, Magister—a weapon strong enough to warp bulkheads and hurl bodies across cabinspaces. I was death itself!”
Plagueis sat tall in the chair, in genuine astonishment.
He could see Palpatine now in all his dark glory. Anger and murder had pulled down the walls he had raised perhaps since infancy to safeguard his secret. But there was no concealing it now: the Force was powerful in him! Bottled up for seventeen standard years, his innate power had finally burst forth and could never again be stoppered. All the years of repression, guiltless crimes, raw emotion bubbling forth, toxic to any who dared touch or taste it. But beneath his anger lurked a subtle enemy: apprehension. Newly reborn, he was at great risk. But only because he didn’t realize just how powerful he was or how extraordinarily powerful he could become. He would need help to complete his self-destruction. He would need help rebuilding those walls, to keep from being discovered.
Oh, what a cautious taming he would require! Plagueis thought. But what an ally he might make. What an ally!


--Taken from Darth Plagueis  
 
Not even Darth Plagueis can probe his mind or take down his mental shields. And mind you this was before Palpatine was trained actually trained by Darth Plagueis. 
 

 

 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Luke and Palpatine connect minds from across the galaxy (Luke on Coruscant and Palpatine on Byss). 
 
 
 
  The Emperor erases memories, presumably by utilization of Memory Rub, in very possibly millions of people on Coruscant in order to conceal the location of the Star Destroyer Lusankya's burial place.



The  Lusankya—a Super Star Destroyer eight kilometers length—laid waste to the area beneath which it had lain buried for years. Green turbolaser bolts pounded the cityscape, freeing the ship from the ferrocrete and transparisteel prison in which it had laired. Wedge knew Super Star Destroyers had only come into service after the Battle of Yavin, which meant the Lusankya had to have been created and hidden on Coruscant before the battle of Endor. Unless the constructor droids just built it there, then built over it. The idea that a hundred-square-kilometer area of the planet could have been razed and rebuilt to hide a Super Star Destroyer seemed beyond belief, especially with no one noticing the ship's insertion into the hole. Could the Emperor's power through the dark side of the Force have been sufficient to compel thousands or millions of people to forget having seen the Lusankya being buried? As hideous as that idea seemed, Wedge hoped it was the truth. The likely alternative—that the Emperor had ordered the deaths of all the witnesses—seemed that much more horrible.


 

  

You'll find the following information here:   http://web.archive.org/web/20100226123647/http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/sw20050414planet1 

 
Hightlight the address and click "Go to Address" 
 
Here Palpatine influences the minds of nearly 20 billion people.

   

  
 
 
 
 
Planet Type: Terrestrial
Climate: Temperate
Terrain: Lakes, plateaus
Atmosphere: Breathable
Gravity: Standard
Diameter: 21,600 km
Length of Day: 31 standard hours
Length of Year: 207 standard days
Sentient Species: Humans
Languages: Basic
Population: 19.7 billion
Species Mix: 98% Human, 2% other
Government: Dark side theocracy
Major Exports: None
Major Imports: High technology, processed foods, weapons
System/Star: Beshqek System
 
 
As stated, the population is nearly 20 billion people on the planet of Byss. 
 
"With tranquil scenery, low geological activity, exceedingly mild seasons, and the feel of a luxury resort, the surface of the planet appears to be the perfect place to live, which is exactly what Palpatine wants its inhabitants to believe."

"Once the populace had settled into their new lives in an Imperial utopia, the Emperor initiated his true plans for the world. Slowly but steadily, he used his dark Force powers to enslave the people on the world and drain their life energies to fuel his own vile experiments." 
 
"Almost mindless under the oppression of the Emperor's dark side influence, the people of Byss find their life energies constantly leeched off during the Emperor's evil machinations. The Emperor encouraged the spread of rumors that Byss is a paradise worthy of only the most loyal servants, but the truth is that the Empire whisked its inhabitants away to the Deep Core world after being personally selected as the most useful to the Emperor's plans. While most of the inhabitants live their lives in almost a dreamlike state on the seeming utopia, with even their communications to families on other worlds censored to maintain the mystery of the planet, many others have been brought to the world to carry out the Emperor's wishes. Servants of the Imperial war machine toil until exhaustion building starships and droids, while bureaucrats and businessmen ensure that the financial aspects of the Empire continue to cover production costs. There is almost no one on the entire planet whose life doesn't revolve around making the Empire function in some manner." 
 



That should buy me some time for Mags to do his thing as I can read all your minds and no your plan. Data will also be force destroyed as he is a metal cyborg!

I can end this easy quick thanks to Jean, Mags, and Tony alone.

I already explained how I'd prevent that from happening. 


 


Once Supergirl sees where your team is, Supergirl will be flying circles around your team hitting them heat vision and fists of fury and whatnot. This, and Thor using lightning on that general area, should buy us a couple of seconds. How powerful Liara's Biotic Barriers are I have no idea. I doubt it's a match for Thor's lightning or Supergirl's attacks. You suggesting Hyperion would probably have to keep up with Supergirl's speedblitzing implies that it couldn't. So your team should have a pretty big problem on your hands for a couple of seconds. And a couple of seconds is all the distraction we need. Jean couldn't concentrate on using her telepathy (she's been defeated because of that before) and I have no doubt Ultimate Magneto would react by putting up an electromagnetic field and Ultimate Iron Man putting up his own shields as well. If they don't, then the hell with the time/space explosion. We just kill most of your team right there.





You use an offensive rather than an defensive on just one of my people everybody on your team dies, save for Hyperion and possibly Angela (don't know much about her powers). 
 
LMAO! Dude Ultimate Colossus beat Magneto and Iron Man. You honestly think Thor, Palpatine, or Supergirl couldn't do the same? Those three are FAR more powerful than Ultimate Colossus. As for Jean Grey, I've already explained why her illusion wouldn't work well on Palpatine. Not only is Palpatine's telepathy far more powerful (unless you have anything that suggests otherwise), but even it wasn't, she couldn't block his Force Senses in the first place. He can't use his telepathic abilities to its full extent granted but Jean Grey is subject to those same limits. And I believe I've already proven that his telepathy is far superior to Jean Grey's. Furthermore, any telepathic battle between the two would be very short as I explained in the bold letters above.
#49 Posted by HigorM (3594 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1 said:

Resisting the slave disk is 't the same as sibliminal messages that reprogram your thoughts without your knowledge. Dox is the master at that type of thing. uour guys wont even know they're being manipulated to fight it. anyone / everyone on your team will not be at their best if they have simply looked at a computer screen ( which to do what you said both Stark and Richards have to do). Lydea doesn't need time her shadow projections are instantaineous. not to mention solid so once up there is a force field around her, how is Magic even getting to her to BFR. Also any BFR can be countered and team brought back with Mon-el's ring as soon as he senses ( which he'll be on the watch for as per CB's instructions knowing the enemy has a teleporter). knowing that Reed has countered Magnetic before CB will be appropriately prepared he's beaten powered enemies when depowered so no real issue he was one of the longest siting chairmen of LOSH for that reason

Stark doesn´t need to look at a computer screen, like i said before, he can hack the system with technopathy, that´s way he can fight while hacking, he´s not going to be stand still. Magik can get through those constructs with her soulsword and Black Magic, which can easily disrupt any shadow projection. Cosmic Boy knowing about Reed countering magnetism isn´t enough to save him since Reed is a way better prepper then him, so anything he manage to do, Richards can do 10x better, he is just no good enough to fight Reed in that area, besides i got Iron Man countering him as well.

#50 Posted by beatboks1 (7000 posts) - - Show Bio

@HigorM:

Stark doesn´t need to look at a computer screen, like i said before, he can hack the system with technopathy, that´s way he can fight while hacking, he´s not going to be stand still.

Seriously how do you think Stark gets information from his armor. He has head up displays, he has information directly interfaced to him through his cerebral connections. If anything he's MORE susceptible to subliminal messages than someone standing still and looking at a computer. he's hooked up to one. Dox has controlled entire planetary populations with subliminal messages and his enhanced charisma program. You also think that Stark's hacking is going to compare in any way with what Vril's sentient computer can do. When Silica was taken over by Starro he used it to completely control by hacking entire star systems. Seriously the mundane systems of the simple tech of the Hellicarrier are going to be childs play. Not to mention there is absolutely nothing either are going to be able to do to cause Dox any damage. His earlier version of a force field could withstand nuclear explosions at point blank. The below explosion way back in original run LEGION 9 (1995) left scorched earth fro miles beyond the force field but never penetrated it.

Magik can get through those constructs with her soulsword and Black Magic, which can easily disrupt any shadow projection.

Really, by all means cut away. that's only going to make the shadows that much more dangers, lethal and unavoidable for Magic. Lydea Darkstar can completely control all darkness, once shattered there could be 1000's millions of shards of solid darkness piercing Magik in 100's of places from 100's of directions al at once. Not to mention she can do this from the far side of the Hellicarrier.

Not to mention that her ability to make them solid or not as she wishes could mean your striking at phantoms that then become solid and cut straight through your heart when your not prepared.

Cosmic Boy knowing about Reed countering magnetism isn´t enough to save him since Reed is a way better prepper then him, so anything he manage to do, Richards can do 10x better, he is just no good enough to fight Reed in that area, besides i got Iron Man countering him as well.

CB has lead the LOSH against Time Trapper, Darksied and Mordru when they were a big deal. These guys are all better preppers than Reed, and on a cosmic level. His dealing with them tactically matches Reed's best feats with the likes of Galactus etc. Plus as I already mentioned Reed will be more than a little distracted.

  1. he will be in great pain and unable to shape shift due to the device Dox carries that allowed him to do the same to a Durlan.
  2. He will be under the sway of Dox's subliminal messages
  3. He or anyone on your team could even be Dox's complete mind puppet courtesy of the device he used to control

And I have Vrill Dox a manipulative as well as tactical Genius. Captain Comet who also has a genius level intellect and the most evolved brain (and everything else) around. CB is a good enough leader to make perfect use of those minds. Just like he did the tactics of Querl quite often, Ususally with his own tweek on it.

Finally your completely ignoring possibly my most valuable member. My scout / Street leveller. Argus's vision is amazing. he can literally see the entire electromagnetic spectrum. He can read energy, see through things, in complete darkness. His ability gives him movement and predictive vision. He can see things that are about to happen. he can see the weaknesses in things. He can break codes and see through deception (see the truth in things). Using Captain Comet to TP link all my team this is by far my greatest asset. he will know all the weak points of IM's armor for whoever is taking it on to strike it at just the right place. He will know what everyone on your team is about to do and all my team will react in advance of your actions.