#1 Edited by moywar700 (2775 posts) - - Show Bio

I think there's enough feats in order to make a conclusion.

Rules:

-Morals on

-WW gets her sword

-Versions: New 52

This is the match of the century!

Which powerhouse will come out on top!

#2 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman's best strength feat is tossing a van, Superman's best strength feat is lifting a submarine. No contest.

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#3 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman also took glee in stabbing Darkseid in the eye with a sword.

Wonder Woman seems to outperform Supes in combat so far.

#4 Posted by TDK_1997 (14471 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenteaforme said:

Wonder Woman also took glee in stabbing Darkseid in the eye with a sword.

Wonder Woman seems to outperform Supes in combat so far.

That's Earth-2 Wonder Woman.

#5 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

@TDK_1997 said:

@greenteaforme said:

Wonder Woman also took glee in stabbing Darkseid in the eye with a sword.

Wonder Woman seems to outperform Supes in combat so far.

That's Earth-2 Wonder Woman.

She stabbed him in the eye in the N52 JLA comic.

#6 Posted by TDK_1997 (14471 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenteaforme said:

@TDK_1997 said:

@greenteaforme said:

Wonder Woman also took glee in stabbing Darkseid in the eye with a sword.

Wonder Woman seems to outperform Supes in combat so far.

That's Earth-2 Wonder Woman.

She stabbed him in the eye in the N52 JLA comic.

Oh yeah.I forgot about that.

#7 Posted by a88378438 (3421 posts) - - Show Bio

i don't know who wins

but,at least.i know they are too weak,nothing

#8 Posted by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

After Justice League # I am going with Wonder Woman ( well even before JL #11 I knew she would win). She is a BEAST! She beat up Green Lantern AND She is strong enough to break his constructs and do that to Superman. PLUS the lasso? and sword? She could put out sups EYE like she did to darkseid.

#9 Posted by SHAZAM117 (2659 posts) - - Show Bio

Diana ftw....I gotta see more from New52 Supes to give him the edge like PreNew52 Supes has over WW.

#10 Posted by jwalser3 (4798 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Wonder Woman's best strength feat is tossing a van, Superman's best strength feat is lifting a submarine. No contest.

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#11 Posted by buttersdaman000 (9495 posts) - - Show Bio

Still Superman.  
So is everybody going to base Wonder Woman off of those two pics now when Superman has way more impressive feats than her??

#12 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3: Oh. Cool. I haven't read Justice League #11 yet.

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#13 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

Based off what I've seen, Superman still holds an advantage.

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#14 Edited by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

Wonder Woman's best strength feat is tossing a van, Superman's best strength feat is lifting a submarine. No contest.

This pretty much sums it up.

#15 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

I just read JL #11 and my answer hasn't changed. Diana beating up Hal is nice, but the very first thing Superman did in the DCnU was one-shot Hal, and in the next issue he was easily shattering his constructs. Diana kicking away Superman when he didn't even want to fight her isn't a big deal. She doesn't have the strength showings that Superman does, nor the speed showings, nor the durability showings.

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#16 Posted by war of light_2814 (809 posts) - - Show Bio

@WDW:

-she didn't beat up Lantern.

-Supes break Hal construct too.

-All she did is kick Clark when he try to calm her down, her only real achievement is make him bleed.

#17 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

I just read JL #11 and my answer hasn't changed. Diana beating up Hal is nice, but the very first thing Superman did in the DCnU was one-shot Hal, and in the next issue he was easily shattering his constructs. Diana kicking away Superman when he didn't even want to fight her isn't a big deal. She doesn't have the strength showings that Superman does, nor the speed showings, nor the durability showings.

Agreed and apparently Wonder Woman can now join Batman and Green Lantern among the list of people who can make Superman bleed from a single hit.

I'll peak my curiousity when Wonder Woman lifts a lead-lined Submarine, takes a hit from Darkseid's omega beams or tags the Flash.

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#18 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget: In fairness, the Omega Beams KO'd Superman.......

But his fight against Helspont was more impressive than anything I've seen from Diana so far (not that Diana has been in many fights, but still).

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#19 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5347 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@CitizenBane said:

Wonder Woman's best strength feat is tossing a van, Superman's best strength feat is lifting a submarine. No contest.

Darn it you beat me too it!! lol only I was gonna have to verbally explain how much of a bad itch Wonder Woman is.

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#20 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane: True, but I don't see Diana taking such an assault nor even attempting to outrun his OB's.

Agreed, but is it just me or does it feel that Johns writes off Superman merely as a clueless strongman?

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#21 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget: That and how he writes Hal now really get my goat.

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#22 Posted by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@war of light_2814 said:

@WDW:

-she didn't beat up Lantern.

-Supes break Hal construct too.

-All she did is kick Clark when he try to calm her down, her only real achievement is make him bleed.

So now we know that Wonder Woman 52 is pretty close to superman's strength and can hurt him. Add to that Diana is a much better fighter. That is my reason for picking her for the win.

Lifting a submarine says nothing as to how good a fighter is. The strongest man in the world CANNOT beat the best fighter in the world sorry. As long as each opponent is capable of hurting the other I am always going to pick the one who is more skilled in a fight over the "stronger" of the two any day.

Can superman beat her? of course he can but in my opinion not by trading blows with her or because he is stronger. He is going to have to be way more creative if he wants to beat Wonder Woman and use the environment against her to win.

Not going to argue to much about lantern but honestly if she can break his constructs there is not much else green lantern can do to beat her. If this fight when on she would have seriously injured GREEN LANTERN and to me she clearly kicked his ass.

Hey this is my opinion so take it as it is...

#23 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@WDW said:

So now we know that Wonder Woman 52 is pretty close to superman's strength and can hurt him.

See now, this is where I draw the line. Green Lantern has made Superman bleed. Batman has made Superman bleed. At this point, that's not really worth stating and all she really did was kick him, nothing really impressive when he wasn't even attempting to really engage her.

@CitizenBane said:

@Deranged Midget: That and how he writes Hal now really get my goat.

Yeah, especially considering his (best) work with Hal on Green Lantern and the absolutely obvious differences between the two incarnations.

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#24 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman. Better strength feats, better speed feats, better durability feats.

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#25 Posted by war of light_2814 (809 posts) - - Show Bio

@WDW said:

@war of light_2814 said:

@WDW:

-she didn't beat up Lantern.

-Supes break Hal construct too.

-All she did is kick Clark when he try to calm her down, her only real achievement is make him bleed.

So now we know that Wonder Woman 52 is pretty close to superman's strength and can hurt him. Add to that Diana is a much better fighter. That is my reason for picking her for the win.

Lifting a submarine says nothing as to how good a fighter is. The strongest man in the world CANNOT beat the best fighter in the world sorry. As long as each opponent is capable of hurting the other I am always going to pick the one who is more skilled in a fight over the "stronger" of the two any day.

Can superman beat her? of course he can but in my opinion not by trading blows with her or because he is stronger. He is going to have to be way more creative if he wants to beat Wonder Woman and use the environment against her to win.

This has nothing to do with me as I'm not saying superman wins only point out what's wrong about your post so I'll only reply my parts

@WDW said:

Not going to argue to much about lantern but honestly if she can break his constructs there is not much else green lantern can do to beat her. If this fight when on she would have seriously injured GREEN LANTERN and to me she clearly kicked his ass.

Hey this is my opinion so take it as it is...

Really? If a guy can kick down a wooden door does that mean he won't hurt when someone smash him with it? they were still fighting by the time the league separate them.

#26 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5347 posts) - - Show Bio

Well to be fair didin't Superman attack Hal when he and Batman simply wanted to talk? I've heard people above dismiss what Diana did to Clark by saying he wasn't trying to fight...neither was Bruce or Hal when superman attacked them. She didn't take a blast from Darkseids OB? No. Because she moved to fast for him to even use it. If Superman's reaction time is so fast why didn't he stop Wonder Woman from landing that kick? Look how far that kicked sent him flying away from the field of battle. She's proven to be strong enough to hurt him and seems to be better skilled. If anything I agree he wins due to his other powers like freeze breath. Pure strength they are obviously equal. Speed? Isn't she capable of deflecting bullets while just moving her wrist? Flash(Barry) isn't even that fast, so I'm sure she could have tagged him too. Superman was hurt by Darkseid stomping he ground really hard. So he ain't that durable. Why run when Darkseid shot his OB in the first place? Why not use his ''faster then light speed." to shut DS down? Pure h2h..she stomps Clark. He wins due to every other ability he has though.

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#27 Posted by Z3RO180 (6331 posts) - - Show Bio

supes would win

#28 Posted by HBKTimHBK (5240 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman.

#29 Posted by Erik (31685 posts) - - Show Bio

@Deranged Midget:

What was the context of Batman making Superman bleed? That sounds like horsesh!t.

#30 Posted by Nefarious (18799 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman.

#31 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Guardiandevil83 said:

Well to be fair didin't Superman attack Hal when he and Batman simply wanted to talk? I've heard people above dismiss what Diana did to Clark by saying he wasn't trying to fight...neither was Bruce or Hal when superman attacked them.

The difference being that Hal did fight back. He tried to tie up Supes, his constructs were shattered and he was slapped around until Hal called in the Flash. He may not have WANTED to fight Superman, but he was pushed into such a situation and he did fight back. He just wasn't successful. Wonder Woman slapped Hal away when he did NOT want or try to fight her. All he was doing was blocking her path and telling her to get a grip.

She didn't take a blast from Darkseids OB? No. Because she moved to fast for him to even use it.

He did use it. She blocked it with her bracelets. And that was at close range, but if the Omega Beams are anything like they were before Flashpoint, their speed varies as Darkseid wishes. The OB that hit Superman was moving so fast that Flash ran out of breath dodging it. There is no proof that the OB Wonder Woman blocked was moving at the same rate. So unless I'm supposed to believe that Wonder Woman could outreact the Flash (which is just stupid, even post-Flashpoint he has insane reaction feats that would make her look like a statue in comparison) her reaction feat isn't quantifiable enough to claim that she is as fast as Superman. Diana does not have a single durability showing on par with Superman. None. Nil. Zilch. There is no proof that she would fare any better against the Omega Beams than he did.

And Superman displayed far better durability in his fight against Helspont than Diana has shown so far. He took all of the Daemonite's attacks with barely anything to show for it.

If Superman's reaction time is so fast why didn't he stop Wonder Woman from landing that kick? Look how far that kicked sent him flying away from the field of battle.

Why are you talking about reaction time in a situation where Superman did not want to fight Wonder Woman and was not expecting her to even hit him anyway? He has displayed reaction time in his other fights. In his final fight with Anguish he was avoiding her hits and she was yelling at him to stand still, he's caught bullets and outreacted other foes.

She's proven to be strong enough to hurt him and seems to be better skilled.

Really? Where was that skill when Apollo calmly stomped her in her own book? Or that reaction time, for that matter?

Pure strength they are obviously equal.

Uh.....what? How are they equal? Performing the same feat does not make them equal, it just means that they are both strong enough to have performed that feat. I can lift X pounds, a heavyweight lifter can do the same thing. Does that make us equals in strength?

Speed? Isn't she capable of deflecting bullets while just moving her wrist?

So?

Flash(Barry) isn't even that fast, so I'm sure she could have tagged him too.

LMAO. Flash's speed feats so far are miles better than Wonder Woman's. He's held a conversation with Captain Atom in the space between milliseconds, reacted to a bullet striking his forehead in a femtosecond, danced between lighting bolts, physically reached the speed of light. He wasn't moving as fast as he possibly could against Superman, but considering that he raced from Central City to Metropolis in a second, it was still much faster than Wonder Woman has till now shown herself to be capable of. You can be as sure as you want, she simply doesn't have the showings to justify that belief.

Superman was hurt by Darkseid stomping he ground really hard. So he ain't that durable.

He's freaking Darkseid.....this is like saying "Diana was taken down by Hades shooting her in the heart. So she ain't that durable".

Why run when Darkseid shot his OB in the first place? Why not use his ''faster then light speed."

.......maybe because he hasn't shown FTL speed so far? And he ran because Flash pulled him up, pushed him forward, and yelled "RUN!".

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#32 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget:

What was the context of Batman making Superman bleed? That sounds like horsesh!t.

It was. It's from Batman: The Dark Knight #6. Bruce was dosed up on Bane's new Venom and apparently that increased his strength so much that he could hurt Superman. It's crap because Bruce fought Deathstroke, Clayface and Bane while they were all dosed up on the same drug, and if it increases a peak human's strength so much that they can hurt Kryptonians, then ANY of those three -- Karlo, Slade or Bane -- should have made Batman explode with one hit.

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#33 Posted by Erik (31685 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget:

What was the context of Batman making Superman bleed? That sounds like horsesh!t.

It was. It's from Batman: The Dark Knight #6. Bruce was dosed up on Bane's new Venom and apparently that increased his strength so much that he could hurt Superman. It's crap because Bruce fought Deathstroke, Clayface and Bane while they were all dosed up on the same drug, and if it increases a peak human's strength so much that they can hurt Kryptonians, then ANY of those three -- Karlo, Slade or Bane -- should have made Batman explode with one hit.

Lol.

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@CitizenBane said:

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget:

What was the context of Batman making Superman bleed? That sounds like horsesh!t.

It was. It's from Batman: The Dark Knight #6. Bruce was dosed up on Bane's new Venom and apparently that increased his strength so much that he could hurt Superman. It's crap because Bruce fought Deathstroke, Clayface and Bane while they were all dosed up on the same drug, and if it increases a peak human's strength so much that they can hurt Kryptonians, then ANY of those three -- Karlo, Slade or Bane -- should have made Batman explode with one hit.

Well I have something to say to all that..in the words of Lincoln Osiris of Tropic Thunder..''Hot Damn" lol I am man enough to admit when I've been beaten..BUT I'LL GET YOU NEXT TIME BANE!! NEEEEEXXXT TIIIIME!!

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#35 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@Deranged Midget:

What was the context of Batman making Superman bleed? That sounds like horsesh!t.

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#36 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

It's like Bruce was channeling Frank Miller.....

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#37 Posted by Deranged Midget (17599 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

It's like Bruce was channeling Frank Miller.....

Ugh...

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#38 Posted by Erik (31685 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

It's like Bruce was channeling Frank Miller.....

No kidding. Who wrote that trash? And since when was Superman dressed in the American flag?

#39 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman for all the reasons Citizen Bane stated before my post

#40 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane said:

It's like Bruce was channeling Frank Miller.....

No kidding. Who wrote that trash?

David Finch.

And since when was Superman dressed in the American flag?

I know, right?

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#41 Posted by Erik (31685 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Woman takes it with the updated stats.

#42 Posted by Saren (25317 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

Wonder Woman takes it with the updated stats.

What updated stats allow her to take it?

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#43 Posted by Erik (31685 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@Erik said:

Wonder Woman takes it with the updated stats.

What updated stats allow her to take it?

At her previously known power levels, she was powerful enough to be a fight for Superman. In the previous WW issue, she got handled by Artemis like it was all fun and games for the god.

However in the latest issue, we discover that the bracelets considerably limit all of Diana's stats. Once she took them off, she glowed like the pic in my avatar and wrecked Artemis and ate all her dog food. I can get you scans if you would like to read the current fight.

#44 Posted by Erik (31685 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane:

I can post the previous fight tomorrow if you would like a comparison of how Artemis tooled WW with the bracelets on.

#45 Posted by TERMINATORXX (3899 posts) - - Show Bio

Wonder Womans beaten Superman...No doubt she could beat any other version of Supes...

#46 Edited by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

@Erik said:

@CitizenBane:

I can post the previous fight tomorrow if you would like a comparison of how Artemis tooled WW with the bracelets on.

With Diana's latest showing against the god Artemis, I'd say she officially outperforms Superman in combat (so far) and takes it.

Also, I'm not sure that the bracelets specifically limit her power, so much as they were given to the amazons by the goddess Artemis after Artemis herself created them. I think they would have had some sort of enchantment on them that disabled their efforts if they were ever to rebel against the gods, or specifically against Artemis. Or perhaps Artemis was magically limiting WW's power through the bracelets specifically. Either way, I don't think the bracers themselves limit Diana's power, as you described.

Also, I'd like to add, this proves that the bracers are the normal bracers worn by all Amazons, and are not the indestructible aegis bracers. She will probably receive them very soon, as she's shed her Amazon shackles and I see Hephaestus forging her trademark bracers for her now.

#47 Posted by WDW (1514 posts) - - Show Bio

@greenteaforme said:

Also, I'm not sure that the bracelets specifically limit her power, so much as they were given to the amazons by the goddess Artemis after Artemis herself created them. I think they would have had some sort of enchantment on them that disabled their efforts if they were ever to rebel against the gods, or specifically against Artemis. Or perhaps Artemis was magically limiting WW's power through the bracelets specifically. Either way, I don't think the bracers themselves limit Diana's power, as you described.

Also, I'd like to add, this proves that the bracers are the normal bracers worn by all Amazons, and are not the indestructible aegis bracers. She will probably receive them very soon, as she's shed her Amazon shackles and I see Hephaestus forging her trademark bracers for her now.

HUH?

#48 Posted by Lvenger (18441 posts) - - Show Bio

I knew the latest issue of Wonder Woman would cause a stir in who would win in a fight between these two.

@Erik: Given the events of Wonder Woman 12 and your avatar, I assume you'd be interested in seeing a unchecked Wonder Woman vs Superman fight now? Maybe to even the playing field, even though New 52 Superman hasn't done this yet, perhaps it would be fairer to have a no bracelets Wonder Woman vs a sun dipped Superman? Now that would be a good fight.

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#49 Posted by greenteaforme (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

@WDW said:

@greenteaforme said:

Also, I'm not sure that the bracelets specifically limit her power, so much as they were given to the amazons by the goddess Artemis after Artemis herself created them. I think they would have had some sort of enchantment on them that disabled their efforts if they were ever to rebel against the gods, or specifically against Artemis. Or perhaps Artemis was magically limiting WW's power through the bracelets specifically. Either way, I don't think the bracers themselves limit Diana's power, as you described.

Also, I'd like to add, this proves that the bracers are the normal bracers worn by all Amazons, and are not the indestructible aegis bracers. She will probably receive them very soon, as she's shed her Amazon shackles and I see Hephaestus forging her trademark bracers for her now.

HUH?

What part didn't you understand?

#50 Posted by YoggSaron (812 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly don't expect the whole god mode thing to stick because otherwise Diana becomes a walking deus ex machina.