#1 Posted by AllStarSuperman (15749 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

battle takes place in central city, they want to take the other down but are in character,

the pre flashpoint flashes are around to protect people but are not allowed to join the fight

#2 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Stomps Tom Welling

#3 Posted by GunGunW (996 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 is so much immensely stronger it's not even funny.

#4 Posted by CountofMC (129 posts) - - Show Bio

What is New 52's speed like? Tom Welling Supes had some incredible speed/ heat vision feats. Also his durability sans-kryptonite encounters, was pretty high too. In terms of lifting strength he might not have been as strong but his striking power was pretty uber too. I don't know enough about New 52 to make a judgement though.

#5 Posted by logy5000 (5525 posts) - - Show Bio

New-52 Superman.

#6 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

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#7 Posted by Lvenger (16010 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah New 52 Superman definitely takes this. More and better feats to call on.

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#8 Posted by N0tS0An0nym0us (907 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lvenger: great minds think alike...........

#9 Posted by Lvenger (16010 posts) - - Show Bio

@N0tS0An0nym0us: Tis an obvious outcome though. Especially with the 5 day planet lifting feat :P

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#10 Edited by drgnx (3512 posts) - - Show Bio

@CountofMC said:

What is New 52's speed like? Tom Welling Supes had some incredible speed/ heat vision feats. Also his durability sans-kryptonite encounters, was pretty high too. In terms of lifting strength he might not have been as strong but his striking power was pretty uber too. I don't know enough about New 52 to make a judgement though.

This.

I was re-watching the Bizzaro fight and was like WTH? This is how Superman should fight. I hope he fights like this during the movie. SV Clark almost always used his speed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxhsCD565Mg

#11 Posted by AllStarSuperman (15749 posts) - - Show Bio

Smallville Superman did punch bizzaro practically into orbit and could move lightspeed and vaporized a dam in a instint. and i think he takes kyptonite better than new 52 supes and he pushed apocolipes away which is supposed to be way bigger than the earth

#12 Posted by Clark_EL (2159 posts) - - Show Bio

@CountofMC said:

What is New 52's speed like? Tom Welling Supes had some incredible speed/ heat vision feats. Also his durability sans-kryptonite encounters, was pretty high too. In terms of lifting strength he might not have been as strong but his striking power was pretty uber too. I don't know enough about New 52 to make a judgement though.

New 52 Superman can go 200X the speed of light flying in space....He flew from earth to Pluto in less than a minute (Red Hood and the outlaws

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#13 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: I know this is old but I want to discuss their strength levels. I agree that New-52 Superman wins, but whom was actually the stronger Superman? New-52 Superman was able to push the weight of The Earth for 5 days, but how is the Earth's weight relative to Apokolips? Smallville Superman easily moved, or actually tossed Apokolips out of orbit.

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#14 Edited by dorukesin (3763 posts) - - Show Bio

Smallville takes it dude

#15 Edited by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger: I'm not sure on how much Apokolips weighed, but we know that Apokolips was about the size of Saturn:

Saturn is the second largest Planet in our Solar-System, assuming Apokolips is of a similar weight, would that not be far more than 5 times of the weight of The Earth? (I've read that Saturn is 95 times the mass of The Earth, though I am not sure on the validity of this). Still, I'm not saying it weighed as much as Saturn. Just an observation, they were the same size.

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#16 Posted by reaverlation (7105 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: But then didn't Apokolips ended up being the size of metropolis?

#17 Edited by Carter_esque (6447 posts) - - Show Bio

52 stomps, mismatch

#18 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: But then didn't Apokolips ended up being the size of metropolis?

That was Apokolips going into Earth's orbit?

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#19 Posted by reaverlation (7105 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: yeah so not sure how quantifiable it is pushing Apokolips

#20 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: It's hard to quantify it. Though it is still very impressive. Even if Saturn is 95x the mass of Earth, the same may not hold true for Apokolips. But obviously, Apokolips is not exactly a gas planet.

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#21 Posted by dondave (26611 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Superman ftw

#22 Posted by Lvenger (16010 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@lvenger: I'm not sure on how much Apokolips weighed, but we know that Apokolips was about the size of Saturn:

Saturn is the second largest Planet in our Solar-System, assuming Apokolips is of a similar weight, would that not be far more than 5 times of the weight of The Earth? (I've read that Saturn is 95 times the mass of The Earth, though I am not sure on the validity of this). Still, I'm not saying it weighed as much as Saturn. Just an observation, they were the same size.

I very much see where you're coming on the physical strength front but even that doesn't much up to the insanity of benching the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight. That's 5.972 sextillion tons held straight for 5 days over a temporary moving of a Saturn sized object out of orbit. Despite the ridiculousness of the New 52 Superman feat, it's difficult not to discount it as a lesser showing to what Smallville Superman moved with his strength.

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#23 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@frozen said:

@lvenger: I'm not sure on how much Apokolips weighed, but we know that Apokolips was about the size of Saturn:

Saturn is the second largest Planet in our Solar-System, assuming Apokolips is of a similar weight, would that not be far more than 5 times of the weight of The Earth? (I've read that Saturn is 95 times the mass of The Earth, though I am not sure on the validity of this). Still, I'm not saying it weighed as much as Saturn. Just an observation, they were the same size.

I very much see where you're coming on the physical strength front but even that doesn't much up to the insanity of benching the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight. That's 5.972 sextillion tons held straight for 5 days over a temporary moving of a Saturn sized object out of orbit. Despite the ridiculousness of the New 52 Superman feat, it's difficult not to discount it as a lesser showing to what Smallville Superman moved with his strength.

It's just interesting that Apokolips was Saturn size. New-52 Superman's Earth feat is undoubtedly an impressive strength feat, but also an impressive endurance feat (as he was able to hold it). Now I can't say whether Apokolips had the mass of Saturn, but they were near the exact same size, just that Saturn is a gas-giant and Apokolips is not a gas-planet. Smallville Superman was able to easily move the Planet and it looked like he tossed it, rather than simply pushing it. If Apokolips did have the same or similar mass as Saturn, it'd be 95x the mass of The Earth. 5.972 sextillion tons x 95 = 588 Quintillion Tons (the mass of Saturn).

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#24 Posted by Lvenger (16010 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@lvenger said:

@frozen said:

@lvenger: I'm not sure on how much Apokolips weighed, but we know that Apokolips was about the size of Saturn:

Saturn is the second largest Planet in our Solar-System, assuming Apokolips is of a similar weight, would that not be far more than 5 times of the weight of The Earth? (I've read that Saturn is 95 times the mass of The Earth, though I am not sure on the validity of this). Still, I'm not saying it weighed as much as Saturn. Just an observation, they were the same size.

I very much see where you're coming on the physical strength front but even that doesn't much up to the insanity of benching the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight. That's 5.972 sextillion tons held straight for 5 days over a temporary moving of a Saturn sized object out of orbit. Despite the ridiculousness of the New 52 Superman feat, it's difficult not to discount it as a lesser showing to what Smallville Superman moved with his strength.

It's just interesting that Apokolips was Saturn size. New-52 Superman's Earth feat is undoubtedly an impressive strength feat, but also an impressive endurance feat (as he was able to hold it). Now I can't say whether Apokolips had the mass of Saturn, but they were near the exact same size, just that Saturn is a gas-giant and Apokolips is not a gas-planet. Smallville Superman was able to easily move the Planet and it looked like he tossed it, rather than simply pushing it. If Apokolips did have the same or similar mass as Saturn, it'd be 95x the mass of The Earth. 5.972 sextillion tons x 95 = 588 Quintillion Tons (the mass of Saturn).

So it's in the quintillion tons range then? Impressive even moreso for Smallville Superman even if it was a massive jump from what the show showed his strength levels to be. Still, multiplying 5.972 sextillion tons by 5, the number of days Superman held up the machine for, clocks him in at holding up the equivalent of 29.86 sextillion tons over the course of 5 days. Whilst that's not as much as Saturn's mass, Smallville Superman only pushed that amount briefly. New 52 Superman held up his burden for a full 5 days.

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#25 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@frozen said:

@lvenger said:

@frozen said:

@lvenger: I'm not sure on how much Apokolips weighed, but we know that Apokolips was about the size of Saturn:

Saturn is the second largest Planet in our Solar-System, assuming Apokolips is of a similar weight, would that not be far more than 5 times of the weight of The Earth? (I've read that Saturn is 95 times the mass of The Earth, though I am not sure on the validity of this). Still, I'm not saying it weighed as much as Saturn. Just an observation, they were the same size.

I very much see where you're coming on the physical strength front but even that doesn't much up to the insanity of benching the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight. That's 5.972 sextillion tons held straight for 5 days over a temporary moving of a Saturn sized object out of orbit. Despite the ridiculousness of the New 52 Superman feat, it's difficult not to discount it as a lesser showing to what Smallville Superman moved with his strength.

It's just interesting that Apokolips was Saturn size. New-52 Superman's Earth feat is undoubtedly an impressive strength feat, but also an impressive endurance feat (as he was able to hold it). Now I can't say whether Apokolips had the mass of Saturn, but they were near the exact same size, just that Saturn is a gas-giant and Apokolips is not a gas-planet. Smallville Superman was able to easily move the Planet and it looked like he tossed it, rather than simply pushing it. If Apokolips did have the same or similar mass as Saturn, it'd be 95x the mass of The Earth. 5.972 sextillion tons x 95 = 588 Quintillion Tons (the mass of Saturn).

So it's in the quintillion tons range then? Impressive even moreso for Smallville Superman even if it was a massive jump from what the show showed his strength levels to be. Still, multiplying 5.972 sextillion tons by 5, the number of days Superman held up the machine for, clocks him in at holding up the equivalent of 29.86 sextillion tons over the course of 5 days. Whilst that's not as much as Saturn's mass, Smallville Superman only pushed that amount briefly. New 52 Superman held up his burden for a full 5 days.

I think that is correct, I may be wrong. But essentially it is the weight of 95 Earths. He unlocked that power during the finale (from his 'trial' with Jor-El). New-52 Superman's Earth feat is largely impressive, not only does it speak as a strength feat but also one of endurance (as he kept it up). But being able to physically move a planet like that without much trouble (and of such size) is incredible, he didn't just push it either, it's like he threw the planet (Apokolips was suddenly going away from Earth at a fast rate). Many characters in the actual DC comics (even pre-52 too) did not show such strength. Which feat do you find more impressive? Both feats are very impressive.

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#26 Posted by AllStarSuperman (15749 posts) - - Show Bio

I know this is my own thread from like a year ago, but I say Smallville has the strength and combat speed (if he utilizes it) advantage.

#27 Posted by Lvenger (16010 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: Both are really good but the Earth Benching feat was done for the sake of showing off. The Smallville feat at least pertained to the story so that's a better feat in terms of execution.

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#28 Posted by dondave (26611 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@lvenger said:

@frozen said:

@lvenger said:

@frozen said:

@lvenger: I'm not sure on how much Apokolips weighed, but we know that Apokolips was about the size of Saturn:

Saturn is the second largest Planet in our Solar-System, assuming Apokolips is of a similar weight, would that not be far more than 5 times of the weight of The Earth? (I've read that Saturn is 95 times the mass of The Earth, though I am not sure on the validity of this). Still, I'm not saying it weighed as much as Saturn. Just an observation, they were the same size.

I very much see where you're coming on the physical strength front but even that doesn't much up to the insanity of benching the weight of the Earth for 5 days straight. That's 5.972 sextillion tons held straight for 5 days over a temporary moving of a Saturn sized object out of orbit. Despite the ridiculousness of the New 52 Superman feat, it's difficult not to discount it as a lesser showing to what Smallville Superman moved with his strength.

It's just interesting that Apokolips was Saturn size. New-52 Superman's Earth feat is undoubtedly an impressive strength feat, but also an impressive endurance feat (as he was able to hold it). Now I can't say whether Apokolips had the mass of Saturn, but they were near the exact same size, just that Saturn is a gas-giant and Apokolips is not a gas-planet. Smallville Superman was able to easily move the Planet and it looked like he tossed it, rather than simply pushing it. If Apokolips did have the same or similar mass as Saturn, it'd be 95x the mass of The Earth. 5.972 sextillion tons x 95 = 588 Quintillion Tons (the mass of Saturn).

So it's in the quintillion tons range then? Impressive even moreso for Smallville Superman even if it was a massive jump from what the show showed his strength levels to be. Still, multiplying 5.972 sextillion tons by 5, the number of days Superman held up the machine for, clocks him in at holding up the equivalent of 29.86 sextillion tons over the course of 5 days. Whilst that's not as much as Saturn's mass, Smallville Superman only pushed that amount briefly. New 52 Superman held up his burden for a full 5 days.

I think that is correct, I may be wrong. But essentially it is the weight of 95 Earths. He unlocked that power during the finale (from his 'trial' with Jor-El). New-52 Superman's Earth feat is largely impressive, not only does it speak as a strength feat but also one of endurance (as he kept it up). But being able to physically move a planet like that without much trouble (and of such size) is incredible, he didn't just push it either, it's like he threw the planet (Apokolips was suddenly going away from Earth at a fast rate). Many characters in the actual DC comics (even pre-52 too) did not show such strength. Which feat do you find more impressive? Both feats are very impressive.

Apokolips was nowhere near the size of Saturn when Superman moved it. It was able to fit whole in Metropolis, if it remained as large as Saturn it would have crushed Earth rather than sit above Metropolis.

#29 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: Apokolips was not the size of Metropolis, that would make it a dwarf planet, possibly even smaller. It looked like it was the size of Metropolis (we only saw it from below Metropolis at that point), but it's size was that of Saturn, Apokolips coming into Earth's atmosphere moreso disregarded the fact that it would have crushed Earth for the plot. When it went past Saturn, it was near identical in size (I have posted the pictures).

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#30 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@frozen: Both are really good but the Earth Benching feat was done for the sake of showing off. The Smallville feat at least pertained to the story so that's a better feat in terms of execution.

I can agree with this. I still maintain that New-52 Superman will win, though I question whether he really has the strength advantage, that is all.

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#31 Posted by Lvenger (16010 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@lvenger said:

@frozen: Both are really good but the Earth Benching feat was done for the sake of showing off. The Smallville feat at least pertained to the story so that's a better feat in terms of execution.

I can agree with this. I still maintain that New-52 Superman will win, though I question whether he really has the strength advantage, that is all.

As do I agree with that post as well. Aside from the strength advantage.

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#32 Posted by dondave (26611 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@dondave: Apokolips was not the size of Metropolis, that would make it a dwarf planet, possibly even smaller. It looked like it was the size of Metropolis (we only saw it from below Metropolis at that point), but it's size was that of Saturn, Apokolips coming into Earth's atmosphere moreso disregarded the fact that it would have crushed Earth for the plot. When it went past Saturn, it was near identical in size (I have posted the pictures).

I know it was the size of Saturn when it went past it, but if it remained at that size it would have blocked out the Sun when it came to Earth. Not to mention the fact that we see portions of it over Metropolis, if it remained the size it was when it passed Saturn it would have covered more than Metropolis.

#33 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@frozen said:

@dondave: Apokolips was not the size of Metropolis, that would make it a dwarf planet, possibly even smaller. It looked like it was the size of Metropolis (we only saw it from below Metropolis at that point), but it's size was that of Saturn, Apokolips coming into Earth's atmosphere moreso disregarded the fact that it would have crushed Earth for the plot. When it went past Saturn, it was near identical in size (I have posted the pictures).

I know it was the size of Saturn when it went past it, but if it remained at that size it would have blocked out the Sun when it came to Earth. Not to mention the fact that we see portions of it over Metropolis, if it remained the size it was when it passed Saturn it would have covered more than Metropolis.

Apokolips did not get smaller in the story itself, only to the viewers, the only reasons it did not block The Sun and destroy Earth is because of the plot, we only saw Apokolips in Earth's orbit from Metropolis' point of view.

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#34 Edited by dondave (26611 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@dondave said:

@frozen said:

@dondave: Apokolips was not the size of Metropolis, that would make it a dwarf planet, possibly even smaller. It looked like it was the size of Metropolis (we only saw it from below Metropolis at that point), but it's size was that of Saturn, Apokolips coming into Earth's atmosphere moreso disregarded the fact that it would have crushed Earth for the plot. When it went past Saturn, it was near identical in size (I have posted the pictures).

I know it was the size of Saturn when it went past it, but if it remained at that size it would have blocked out the Sun when it came to Earth. Not to mention the fact that we see portions of it over Metropolis, if it remained the size it was when it passed Saturn it would have covered more than Metropolis.

Apokolips did not get smaller in the story itself, only to the viewers, the only reasons it did not block The Sun and destroy Earth is because of the plot, we only saw Apokolips in Earth's orbit from Metropolis' point of view.

It's clearly smaller than Saturn. If Saturn were to come into Earth's Orbit today it wouldn't look anywhere near as small as the above image. You can't just dismiss everything as plot.

#35 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: ''You can't just dismiss everything as plot''

But the fact is it was quite clearly for the plot; had it crushed Earth and blocked The Sun, there would be no finale. Saturn is a gas-planet, it would not look like Apokolips in Earth's orbit. There isn't really much more I can add to what I've already said.

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#36 Posted by dondave (26611 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@dondave: ''You can't just dismiss everything as plot''

But the fact is it was quite clearly for the plot; had it crushed Earth and blocked The Sun, there would be no finale. Saturn is a gas-planet, it would not look like Apokolips in Earth's orbit. There isn't really much more I can add to what I've already said.

Or it actually got smaller

#37 Posted by Experio (8114 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Superman.

#38 Posted by Frozen (5031 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@frozen said:

@dondave: ''You can't just dismiss everything as plot''

But the fact is it was quite clearly for the plot; had it crushed Earth and blocked The Sun, there would be no finale. Saturn is a gas-planet, it would not look like Apokolips in Earth's orbit. There isn't really much more I can add to what I've already said.

Or it actually got smaller

As it would have benefited Darkseid to have a larger Apokolips heading towards Earth...

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