#1 Posted by MFrenzy11 (470 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules:

  • The super camp kinda sucks against H'el and new 52 mm has taken out the New 52 JLA.. which was awesome but yeah i thought it would be interesting
  • No BFR
  • Battle to the Death
  • Morals OFF
  • TP for MM of course
  • Not sure if H'el has that fatal allergic reaction to kryptonite but uhh MM does not have it with him
    Martian Manhunter
    H'EL
#2 Edited by matmatxm8 (587 posts) - - Show Bio

Hel wins,

Heat vision

case solved.

But if there's no heat then there is no way for martian to die

#3 Posted by NeonGameWave (7794 posts) - - Show Bio

H`el should win but Pre-52 MM would win with ease.

#4 Posted by MFrenzy11 (470 posts) - - Show Bio

@matmatxm8 said:

Hel wins,

Heat vision

case solved.

But if there's no heat then there is no way for martian to die

couldnt MM's force field counter that and mm also has heat vision and the mind rape

#5 Posted by Squalleon (4626 posts) - - Show Bio

H'el Stomps

He is telepathic so he can counter MM's mindgames!

He has displayed strenght,speed,durability that make superman look weak!

His telekinesis is capable of breaking someone to molecule level.

#6 Edited by MFrenzy11 (470 posts) - - Show Bio

@Squalleon: wow didn't know his tp was tht good but thanx

#7 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@MFrenzy11: Martian Manhunter didn't beat The Justice League he ran away.

H'el stomps.

#8 Posted by New_World_Order (13235 posts) - - Show Bio

H'el.

#9 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

@matmatxm8 said:

Hel wins,

Heat vision

case solved.

But if there's no heat then there is no way for martian to die

Has MM displayed a weakness to fire in the new 52?

@MFrenzy11 said:

couldnt MM's force field counter that and mm also has heat vision and the mind rape

What force field?

@Squalleon said:

H'el Stomps

He is telepathic so he can counter MM's mindgames!

He has displayed strenght,speed,durability that make superman look weak!

His telekinesis is capable of breaking someone to molecule level.

Has H'el done more than throw up some illusions with his telepathy? MM has done the illusion thing and also erased the memories of Green Lanterns and reality warpers with little if any effort. Is there something to suggest that H'el manipulating MMs form would surpass what MMs own shapeshifting could correct or work around, or that MM couldn't just avoid telekinesis with intangibility? As for H'el's strength, his sucker punch to Superman would be ineffective against an intangible opponent.

@Clark_EL said:

@MFrenzy11: Martian Manhunter didn't beat The Justice League he ran away.

H'el stomps.

It's strongly implied that MM was testing them. He engaged them all in a fight and left on his own terms without seeming to take any damage.

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#10 Posted by Ancient_0f_Days (12230 posts) - - Show Bio

all I see is a lot of posters just jumping to all kinda conclusions, no context whatsoever ......... He'l wank is crazy in this mofo

#11 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@Buckshot: Still he knew he couldn't beat them, he just wanted to test their power.

#12 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh boy nothing like H'el wankers. What feats does H'el really have to put him above MM.

#13 Edited by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: Stop nitpicking it he took on a team of 7 (one of which was aiming to kill and another who can apparently lift the damn planet for 5 days) by himself and took no damage.

#14 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

Powers and Abilities

H'EL claims that he is a Kryptonian, so as a Kryptonian under a yellow sun, H'EL has all the typical Kryptonian powers typical of being a "Solar Battery".

Super Strength - Is able to take on the entire Super-Family with (appears to be) zero effort

Flight

Invulnerability - Has shown little to no damage after attacks from super-powered beings.

Super-Hearing - Is able to hear from great distances

Super Stamina

Super Speed - Has displayed speeds faster then Superman, Supergirl & Superboy combined.

Longevity - has claimed to be mentored by Jor-El, yet appears to be merely a few years older than Kal-El.

Total Recall - able to recall memories in almost perfect detail as well as a vast intellect.

Super Healing - In the New 52, Kryptonians have been shown to get hurt and have battle scars (both Kal-El and Kal-L have been seen with visible scars) H'EL in his first appearance and in promo art has many scars including a reverse "S" symbol on his bare chest, after his first appearance it seems to have healed, and in each issue following he has fewer and fewer scars, this could be his healing factor...or the artist simply forgetting too include them, that however does not explain the lack of the reversed "S" symbol.

Alternate Abilities

H'EL has displayed abilities not seen with any Kryptonian thus far such as....

Teleportation - has shown the ability to appear and disappear at will, originally thought to be just super-speed, H'EL has teleported others great distances in the blink of an eye.

Telekinesis - has shown the ability to move objects with his mind, also able to take things apart at a molecular level [things like Kon-El for example].

Super......Mental....Teaching?? - H'EL was able to teach Kara Zor-El how to speak English in a matter of seconds, how he did this is still unknown.

H'EL Manipulation

Shape Shifting - It is un-clear if H'EL can actually shape shift, or if he was using some kind of mental ability to make himself appear in another form.

Astral Projection - H'EL has the ability to project himself on a spiritual plain.

Matter Altering - H'EL has the ability to alter the size of objects [but not himself]

#15 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: This proves....

#16 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR: I'm not It's impressive but in a fight the JL would win.

#17 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR: H'el has the power of Superman and a lot more, so does martian manhunter but....

#18 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: He has shown no resistance to telepathy I don't see why he can't just mind-rape him

#19 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR: H'el I believe has telepathy of his own.

#20 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@Buckshot: Still he knew he couldn't beat them, he just wanted to test their power.

You actually have no evidence that he knew he couldn't beat them. Nice try though.

@Clark_EL said:

@SHARKBEARAGATOR: I'm not It's impressive but in a fight the JL would win.

Again, no evidence. J'onn's intangibility would keep him safe from the majority of their attacks and his telepathy could devastate them directly, or just have them fight each other if he didn't feel like using his own might.

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#21 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: I don't think telepathy equals automatic telepathy resistance, but either way H'el's telepathy feats are nothing compared to MM's

#22 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@Buckshot: Considering he ran away...

#23 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR: Debatable

#24 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL said:

@Buckshot: Considering he ran away...

Yeah, hang on to that.

@Clark_EL said:

@SHARKBEARAGATOR: Debatable

Actually not debatable. Projecting images of himself or just images are things MM has done, and then MM has done more on top of that, like actually removing any trace of his presence from people's minds. H'el has no such feats of active mental manipulation.

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#25 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Buckshot: Beat me to it :/

#26 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@Buckshot: He seemed to own Superman easily, and already he has lifted th weight of the earth for 5 days straight and gone 250+ times the speed of light.

I can't wait to see more feats for Martian Manhunter in JLA

#27 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1667 posts) - - Show Bio

@Clark_EL: He sucker punched Supes really not that big.

#28 Edited by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR: Well considering his large array of powers besides the ones an average kryptonian has, and the fact that he(Kal-El) called in the JL to help him, H'el has to be very powerful.

#29 Posted by Baberaham_Lincoln (937 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian Manhunter... he has a cool looking head o.O

#30 Posted by Equonox (964 posts) - - Show Bio

MM murderstomps...no answer to TP, and has already shown he can, at the very least, counter anything a high-powered Kryptonian can throw at him. His TK might be an issue, but I would imagine Jonn's shape shifting and intangibility could easily counter that.

#31 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5080 posts) - - Show Bio

MM could take on the JL by himself, he stomps H'el

#32 Posted by Clark_EL (2665 posts) - - Show Bio

H'el for the win!

#33 Posted by The_Wind_Dancer (62 posts) - - Show Bio

MM would win

#34 Posted by NimaMindTricks (1088 posts) - - Show Bio

Is there a strong case for pre 52 Martian Manhuhter? Sounds like New 52 is getting stomped.

#35 Posted by dondave (37991 posts) - - Show Bio

J'onn curbstomps

#36 Posted by reaverlation (16023 posts) - - Show Bio
#37 Posted by jashro44 (22266 posts) - - Show Bio

Wasn't martian manhunter blitzed by Zod in the new 52 or is there context?

#38 Posted by NimaMindTricks (1088 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: New 52 and Pre would stomp? i got H'el on Earth the other day so I have yet to see what H'el is capable of but Viners paint him as unstoppable.

#39 Posted by dondave (37991 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Posted by OreoAssassin (5173 posts) - - Show Bio

MM

#41 Posted by KaraZor-el (1750 posts) - - Show Bio

H'el

#42 Posted by jashro44 (22266 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@nimamindtricks He has no defence to TP or Intangibility.

Couldn't H'el potentially blitz? I don't know the context of the fight with Zod and manhunter but H'el is suppose to be faster than superman isn't he?

#43 Edited by dondave (37991 posts) - - Show Bio
#44 Posted by AmazingCurbStompMan (237 posts) - - Show Bio

H'el had enough power to fight 3 kryptonians in 3 different realms and almost beat them all.

He also punched superman across the universe into an elder entity.

H'el 1 on 1 against anyone is tough.

he crushes MMH imo

#45 Edited by KaraZor-el (1750 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: yea, hes faster than superman. H'el never realky tried to hurt clark too much . you get the feeling from reading that arc that he could have killed him whenever he wanted

#46 Posted by jashro44 (22266 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: yea, hes faster than superman. H'el never realky tried to hurt clark too much . you get the feeling from reading that arc that he could have killed him whenever he wanted

I see.

@dondave said:

@jashro44 The scene was just stupid

Does martian manhunter have any speed feats in the new 52 yet though? I agree it's stupid....

#47 Posted by BoringPerson (1965 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@karazor-el said:

@jashro44: yea, hes faster than superman. H'el never realky tried to hurt clark too much . you get the feeling from reading that arc that he could have killed him whenever he wanted

I see.

@dondave said:

@jashro44 The scene was just stupid

Does martian manhunter have any speed feats in the new 52 yet though? I agree it's stupid....

Manhunter has basically nothing of note as compared to the feat of H'El teleporting so seamlessly that Superman even tell if he'd used superspeed or teleported... Superman couldn't find/sense him when he was just a few yards behind him.

#48 Posted by KaraZor-el (1750 posts) - - Show Bio

@boringperson: agreed. Superman was in no way in H'els level. Hel just never tried to hurt or kill him. He teleported superman and everyone else away about 3 times rather than just easily stomp them out. He utterly embarrassed them. There was nothing they could do.

#49 Posted by CaptainMarvelThunder (1107 posts) - - Show Bio

H'el