Bats,
New-52 Batman vs Punisher
@i_like_swords: All right I'll await your response. And your other thread does make things much fairer for Punisher to win though my perspective on the battle remains unchanged.
Because people can have different opinions. Although given the fact Frank doesn't have much of a fighting chance here due to settings, it could do with a lock.
Good lad.
@patrat18: Patronizing much? Lol
It's not a stomp, but Bruce 9-10/10, even if it won't be easy.
lol waaaa?
It's not a stomp, but Bruce 9-10/10, even if it won't be easy.
lol waaaa?
It makes sense, Frank isn't easy pickings but that doesn't stop Bruce from winning every time.
It's not a stomp, but Bruce 9-10/10, even if it won't be easy.
lol waaaa?
It makes sense, Frank isn't easy pickings but that doesn't stop Bruce from winning every time.
Eh acid batarangs will do.
It's not a stomp, but Bruce 9-10/10, even if it won't be easy.
lol waaaa?
It makes sense, Frank isn't easy pickings but that doesn't stop Bruce from winning every time.
Eh acid batarangs will do.
I'll repeat I said before: There's absolutely nothing preventing the Punisher from shooting Batman's batrangs out of his hands before he can throw them. Punisher shot Spider-man's webshooters out while he was freefalling, and Spiderman is infinitely faster and harder to tag than Batman is. He's also tagged a speedster running at Mach 2. The Punisher is one of the best marksman in the Marvel universe and he's incredibly fast with his weapons.
If you're seriously going to argue that Batman can throw a batrang faster than Frank can pull a trigger and that a batrang can travel faster than a bullet, then you are being absurdly ridiculous. I don't care how good Batman is, he's not THAT good. No one is without superpowers. You've heard it said, "don't bring a knife to a gunfight"? Well, a batrang is basically a small, non-lethal throwing knife.
The start 15 yards apart. Bruce could throw a smoke pellet and close the gap before Punisher could pull aim and shoot and, as we all know, when Bruce gets close to Frank, Frank will die quickly.
This thread isn't spite. It is a Bat-circle wank.
Let's put Batman and Punisher 50 feet apart, and Punisher only gets 2 pistol, an AK with 1 clip, and 3 grenades.
What the poster is admitting is that he thinks the Punisher beats Batman unless he is nerfed. Let's see.. a combat veteran, Black-Ops specialist, is such a perceived threat to a character with physics defying, comic book armor (where he can tank small arms fire and low-mid yield explosions, without any lethal injuries), the OP has to limit the real world weapons the Punisher is carrying.
@pperspectiveandreality - New 52 Batman doesn't have to throw smoke pellets. And that is a dumb@ss move with a trained marksman only 45 feet away, even a nerfed one with only one clip. Have you ever fired a gun? Do you have any idea how quickly you will get shot if your opponent is already locked and loaded at midrange? Batman will twitch and he'll feel bullets bouncing off of his arms and torso.
Oh but wait, Batman, unlike Wonder Woman, is bulletproof, so he can just stroll up to the Punisher, who has no heavier caliber weapons in this OP, and engage in H2H.
@dogsoldier88:
http://www.comicvine.com/batman/4005-1699/forums/new-52-batman-respect-thread-redone-690891/?messageId=12481156&page=7
I'm on my iPad so I can't post the scan but check post #311. He does have and use smoke pellets in the new 52.
45 feet isn't far for someone as fast as Bruce. Especially after he uses the smoke pellets. Or since this is morals off he could fire those rockets at him like he did in the first issue of JL. Frank gets stomped in this battle.
It's not a stomp, but Bruce 9-10/10, even if it won't be easy.
lol waaaa?
It makes sense, Frank isn't easy pickings but that doesn't stop Bruce from winning every time.
Eh acid batarangs will do.
I'll repeat I said before: There's absolutely nothing preventing the Punisher from shooting Batman's batrangs out of his hands before he can throw them. Punisher shot Spider-man's webshooters out while he was freefalling, and Spiderman is infinitely faster and harder to tag than Batman is. He's also tagged a speedster running at Mach 2. The Punisher is one of the best marksman in the Marvel universe and he's incredibly fast with his weapons.
If you're seriously going to argue that Batman can throw a batrang faster than Frank can pull a trigger and that a batrang can travel faster than a bullet, then you are being absurdly ridiculous. I don't care how good Batman is, he's not THAT good. No one is without superpowers. You've heard it said, "don't bring a knife to a gunfight"? Well, a batrang is basically a small, non-lethal throwing knife.
I was joking.
Punisher still doesn't stand much of a chance against a no morals Batman. Frank will put up a fight, but its still a stomp, imo.
This thread isn't spite. It is a Bat-circle wank.
Let's put Batman and Punisher 50 feet apart, and Punisher only gets 2 pistol, an AK with 1 clip, and 3 grenades.
What the poster is admitting is that he thinks the Punisher beats Batman unless he is nerfed. Let's see.. a combat veteran, Black-Ops specialist, is such a perceived threat to a character with physics defying, comic book armor (where he can tank small arms fire and low-mid yield explosions, without any lethal injuries), the OP has to limit the real world weapons the Punisher is carrying.
@pperspectiveandreality - New 52 Batman doesn't have to throw smoke pellets. And that is a dumb@ss move with a trained marksman only 45 feet away, even a nerfed one with only one clip. Have you ever fired a gun? Do you have any idea how quickly you will get shot if your opponent is already locked and loaded at midrange? Batman will twitch and he'll feel bullets bouncing off of his arms and torso.
Oh but wait, Batman, unlike Wonder Woman, is bulletproof, so he can just stroll up to the Punisher, who has no heavier caliber weapons in this OP, and engage in H2H.
Clearly you don't read Batman.
Don't try to apply real world logic to comic books. Scans all over this thread showing that Batman's suit is bullet proof, stop lowballing.
Do you want speed feats? I can easily provide them for you.
This thread isn't spite. It is a Bat-circle wank.
Let's put Batman and Punisher 50 feet apart, and Punisher only gets 2 pistol, an AK with 1 clip, and 3 grenades.
What the poster is admitting is that he thinks the Punisher beats Batman unless he is nerfed. Let's see.. a combat veteran, Black-Ops specialist, is such a perceived threat to a character with physics defying, comic book armor (where he can tank small arms fire and low-mid yield explosions, without any lethal injuries), the OP has to limit the real world weapons the Punisher is carrying.
@pperspectiveandreality - New 52 Batman doesn't have to throw smoke pellets. And that is a dumb@ss move with a trained marksman only 45 feet away, even a nerfed one with only one clip. Have you ever fired a gun? Do you have any idea how quickly you will get shot if your opponent is already locked and loaded at midrange? Batman will twitch and he'll feel bullets bouncing off of his arms and torso.
Oh but wait, Batman, unlike Wonder Woman, is bulletproof, so he can just stroll up to the Punisher, who has no heavier caliber weapons in this OP, and engage in H2H.
Clearly you don't read Batman.
Don't try to apply real world logic to comic books. Scans all over this thread showing that Batman's suit is bullet proof, stop lowballing.
Do you want speed feats? I can easily provide them for you.
Bullet proof doesn't amount to jack squat if the rounds are adamantium. No amount of bulletproofing in the world will stop adamantium rounds; they'll still cut through his suit like paper.
Even so, the OP didn't clarify the ammo as adamantium, and so this is clearly a spite thread. You put Punisher up against a guy basically wearing an Ironman suit and you gave him the LEAST effective weapons in his arsenal. Whoever said this thread is a Batman fanboy circle jerk was 100% correct. I_like_sword's thread was much more balanced and fair.
This thread isn't spite. It is a Bat-circle wank.
Let's put Batman and Punisher 50 feet apart, and Punisher only gets 2 pistol, an AK with 1 clip, and 3 grenades.
What the poster is admitting is that he thinks the Punisher beats Batman unless he is nerfed. Let's see.. a combat veteran, Black-Ops specialist, is such a perceived threat to a character with physics defying, comic book armor (where he can tank small arms fire and low-mid yield explosions, without any lethal injuries), the OP has to limit the real world weapons the Punisher is carrying.
@pperspectiveandreality - New 52 Batman doesn't have to throw smoke pellets. And that is a dumb@ss move with a trained marksman only 45 feet away, even a nerfed one with only one clip. Have you ever fired a gun? Do you have any idea how quickly you will get shot if your opponent is already locked and loaded at midrange? Batman will twitch and he'll feel bullets bouncing off of his arms and torso.
Oh but wait, Batman, unlike Wonder Woman, is bulletproof, so he can just stroll up to the Punisher, who has no heavier caliber weapons in this OP, and engage in H2H.
Clearly you don't read Batman.
Don't try to apply real world logic to comic books. Scans all over this thread showing that Batman's suit is bullet proof, stop lowballing.
Do you want speed feats? I can easily provide them for you.
Bullet proof doesn't amount to jack squat if the rounds are adamantium. No amount of bulletproofing in the world will stop adamantium rounds; they'll still cut through his suit like paper.
The OP says nothing about adamantium bullets. Not to mention Batman can easily dodge them.
The OP says nothing about adamantium bullets. Not to mention Batman can easily dodge them.
... Dude, you just said this...
Batman is bullet proof. The guy doesn't even try to dodge bullets in the new 52.
On page 2...
This thread isn't spite. It is a Bat-circle wank.
Let's put Batman and Punisher 50 feet apart, and Punisher only gets 2 pistol, an AK with 1 clip, and 3 grenades.
What the poster is admitting is that he thinks the Punisher beats Batman unless he is nerfed. Let's see.. a combat veteran, Black-Ops specialist, is such a perceived threat to a character with physics defying, comic book armor (where he can tank small arms fire and low-mid yield explosions, without any lethal injuries), the OP has to limit the real world weapons the Punisher is carrying.
@pperspectiveandreality - New 52 Batman doesn't have to throw smoke pellets. And that is a dumb@ss move with a trained marksman only 45 feet away, even a nerfed one with only one clip. Have you ever fired a gun? Do you have any idea how quickly you will get shot if your opponent is already locked and loaded at midrange? Batman will twitch and he'll feel bullets bouncing off of his arms and torso.
Oh but wait, Batman, unlike Wonder Woman, is bulletproof, so he can just stroll up to the Punisher, who has no heavier caliber weapons in this OP, and engage in H2H.
And this is something that Batman should be afraid of? I mean come on,really? Frank Castle may be a threat to someone else but not actually Batman. Batman has every advantage over Punisher,the guns and alll the weapons Frank has won't help him here at all. The bulletts would either be dodged or won't even get near Batman and when he uses camouflage and gets near Frank then it's game over. Batman would just disarm Frank Castle and will put him down due to his superior skill set and speed.
It's not even interesting anymore to debate for Batman since people just don't read his appearances and then comment that he is overrated.......
@super_buck: I was trying to prove that his suit is bullet prove in that scan. In that specific battle, he didn't try to aim dodge, Every other time he dodges.
Batman doesn't even give Punisher a chance.
Batman wins so easily it's a borderline stomp.
Despite Punisher's impressive feats over the course of his career, Bruce is just on a different level.
Jmarshmallow
Even as a huge Punisher fan, I know this to be true. :/ Punisher's in way over his head here.
The OP says nothing about adamantium bullets. Not to mention Batman can easily dodge them.
Batman can't dodge bullets. Bullets aren't like they are in super mario, moving so slow a child could dodge them. Unless you've got superpowers like the Flash or Superman, you're not dodging bullets. What Batman does is he moves quickly; he doesn't dodge bullets, he dodges the marksman firing the bullets. There's a difference, and the difference is that he's not even in the bullet's line of fire when the trigger is pulled.
At any rate, Punisher can and has tagged Spiderman, who is significantly faster than Batman could ever hope to be. Besides, Batman's been tagged before by low level street thugs with not a single feat to their name.
The OP says nothing about adamantium bullets. Not to mention Batman can easily dodge them.
Batman can't dodge bullets. Bullets aren't like they are in super mario, moving so slow a child could dodge them. Unless you've got superpowers like the Flash or Superman, you're not dodging bullets. What Batman does is he moves quickly; he doesn't dodge bullets, he dodges the marksman firing the bullets. There's a difference, and the difference is that he's not even in the bullet's line of fire when the trigger is pulled.
At any rate, Punisher can and has tagged Spiderman, who is significantly faster than Batman could ever hope to be. Besides, Batman's been tagged before by low level street thugs with not a single feat to their name.
Stop living in your virtual reality,Olympic level characters dodge aim,peak human/enchanced human outright dodge bullets.
Not even a batman fan but this has to be a stomp . Isn't his suit act silly bulletproof now & isn't his suit some kind of Exo skeleton ?
The OP says nothing about adamantium bullets. Not to mention Batman can easily dodge them.
Batman can't dodge bullets. Bullets aren't like they are in super mario, moving so slow a child could dodge them. Unless you've got superpowers like the Flash or Superman, you're not dodging bullets. What Batman does is he moves quickly; he doesn't dodge bullets, he dodges the marksman firing the bullets. There's a difference, and the difference is that he's not even in the bullet's line of fire when the trigger is pulled.
At any rate, Punisher can and has tagged Spiderman, who is significantly faster than Batman could ever hope to be. Besides, Batman's been tagged before by low level street thugs with not a single feat to their name.
Stop living in your virtual reality,Olympic level characters dodge aim,peak human/enchanced human outright dodge bullets.
That's a load of bull. Prove it with a scan. One that specifically says that Batman CAN DODGE ACTUAL BULLETS. Because unless he's Neo, he's not dodging any bullets.
The OP says nothing about adamantium bullets. Not to mention Batman can easily dodge them.
Batman can't dodge bullets. Bullets aren't like they are in super mario, moving so slow a child could dodge them. Unless you've got superpowers like the Flash or Superman, you're not dodging bullets. What Batman does is he moves quickly; he doesn't dodge bullets, he dodges the marksman firing the bullets. There's a difference, and the difference is that he's not even in the bullet's line of fire when the trigger is pulled.
At any rate, Punisher can and has tagged Spiderman, who is significantly faster than Batman could ever hope to be. Besides, Batman's been tagged before by low level street thugs with not a single feat to their name.
Stop living in your virtual reality,Olympic level characters dodge aim,peak human/enchanced human outright dodge bullets.
That's a load of bull. Prove it with a scan. One that specifically says that Batman CAN DODGE ACTUAL BULLETS. Because unless he's Neo, he's not dodging any bullets.
I have no desire to bombard you with scans of something that's fairly obvious to someone who's read atleast 10 issues of Batman and not just him but others too.
The OP says nothing about adamantium bullets. Not to mention Batman can easily dodge them.
Batman can't dodge bullets. Bullets aren't like they are in super mario, moving so slow a child could dodge them. Unless you've got superpowers like the Flash or Superman, you're not dodging bullets. What Batman does is he moves quickly; he doesn't dodge bullets, he dodges the marksman firing the bullets. There's a difference, and the difference is that he's not even in the bullet's line of fire when the trigger is pulled.
At any rate, Punisher can and has tagged Spiderman, who is significantly faster than Batman could ever hope to be. Besides, Batman's been tagged before by low level street thugs with not a single feat to their name.
Stop living in your virtual reality,Olympic level characters dodge aim,peak human/enchanced human outright dodge bullets.
That's a load of bull. Prove it with a scan. One that specifically says that Batman CAN DODGE ACTUAL BULLETS. Because unless he's Neo, he's not dodging any bullets.
I have no desire to bombard you with scans of something that's fairly obvious to someone who's read atleast 10 issues of Batman and not just him but others too.
In other words, you can't. I have read my fair share of Batman comics and you know what ALL of them have in common? Batman can't dodge bullets. He can dodge marksman, moving out of the line of fire before they can tag him. But he doesn't dodge frakking bullets. I even googled it; supposed scans of him "dodging bullets" all don't actually show him dodging bullets, but rather the gunman firing them.
The OP says nothing about adamantium bullets. Not to mention Batman can easily dodge them.
Batman can't dodge bullets. Bullets aren't like they are in super mario, moving so slow a child could dodge them. Unless you've got superpowers like the Flash or Superman, you're not dodging bullets. What Batman does is he moves quickly; he doesn't dodge bullets, he dodges the marksman firing the bullets. There's a difference, and the difference is that he's not even in the bullet's line of fire when the trigger is pulled.
At any rate, Punisher can and has tagged Spiderman, who is significantly faster than Batman could ever hope to be. Besides, Batman's been tagged before by low level street thugs with not a single feat to their name.
Stop living in your virtual reality,Olympic level characters dodge aim,peak human/enchanced human outright dodge bullets.
That's a load of bull. Prove it with a scan. One that specifically says that Batman CAN DODGE ACTUAL BULLETS. Because unless he's Neo, he's not dodging any bullets.
Scans of Batman dodging bullets........and other stuffs.
Dodge Penguin's napalma blast.
Dodge machine gunfire inside a sewer.
Dodges a bullet at close range
Dodges a bullet at close range
Dodge energy blasts
Also I have a whole respect thread for you to enjoy!!!!
http://www.comicvine.com/batman/4005-1699/forums/new-52-batman-respect-thread-redone-690891/#997
None of those show him dodging a bullet. They show him evading the marksmen by a narrow margin. Not one of those comics display him seeing an oncoming bullet that he is in the line of fire of, and dodging it.
Someone really hates Batman... because he dodge bullets as dodge energy blasts.
Look into the respect thread have a lot of more feats....or better pick up his comics to know him better. LOL
For the last time, no, he doesn't dodge bullets. And yes, I saw that stupid thread you posted.
Hate is a strong word. I hate his fanboys - Batman is the most ridiculously overrated hero in comics. Seriously, ask any average fanboy about Batman and the amount they gush over him is disturbing; it's borderline worship. There's a reason "Batgod" is used dismissively in threads like this. The very concept of a "respect thread" for Batman just makes me roll my eyes. More like a fanboy circle-jerk thread.
The reason I get so pissed in threads like this is that as much as Batman is laughably overrated, Punisher is grossly underrated. If anyone needs a "respect thread," it's the Punisher.
@matchesmalone21: There was no need to show him the scans,you can tell when the hate is strong and reason is lost on someone. That's why I didn't bother,he doesn't want to be convinced,plain and simple. Had you showed him something even better he'd have dismissed it as PIS or BatGod worship(which he has kinda,look at his comments on your respect thread).
@matchesmalone21: There was no need to show him the scans,you can tell when the hate is strong and reason is lost on someone. That's why I didn't bother,he doesn't want to be convinced,plain and simple.
Reason? You guys are trying to claim that Batman can dodge bullets and you're claiming to hide behind the shield of "reason"? DC comics have established time and time and time against that Batman is not a metahuman and does not have superpowers, and yet his mindless fanboys keep trying to hold him up higher and higher to the point where they're now starting to imagine superpowers where there are none. What next are you going to invent? Are you going to claim he has a healing factor equal to or better than Wolverine? Are you going to try and claim he's stronger than the Hulk? Or how about he's faster than Spiderman...oh wait, you've already tried claiming that.
What a complete and utter load. And you all claim that I'M the one being ridiculous.
Reason? You guys are trying to claim that Batman can dodge bullets and you're claiming to hide behind the shield of "reason"? DC comics have established time and time and time against that Batman is not a metahuman and does not have superpowers, and yet his mindless fanboys keep trying to hold him up higher and higher to the point where they're now starting to imagine superpowers where there are none. What next are you going to invent? Are you going to claim he has a healing factor equal to or better than Wolverine? Are you going to try and claim he's stronger than the Hulk? Or how about he's faster than Spiderman...oh wait, you've already tried claiming that.
What a complete and utter load. And you all claim that I'M the one being ridiculous.
Stop being ridiculous.
Reason? You guys are trying to claim that Batman can dodge bullets and you're claiming to hide behind the shield of "reason"? DC comics have established time and time and time against that Batman is not a metahuman and does not have superpowers, and yet his mindless fanboys keep trying to hold him up higher and higher to the point where they're now starting to imagine superpowers where there are none. What next are you going to invent? Are you going to claim he has a healing factor equal to or better than Wolverine? Are you going to try and claim he's stronger than the Hulk? Or how about he's faster than Spiderman...oh wait, you've already tried claiming that.
What a complete and utter load. And you all claim that I'M the one being ridiculous.
Dude...it is a fictional universe and real world logic doesn't always apply. Comic Peak Human =/= Real Life Peak Human. But, feats are feats, if the writer has Batman dodge machine gun fire, then that is what we go with. Bullets are usually fodder in the comics, where, in real life, they are king.
For the last time, no, he doesn't dodge bullets. And yes, I saw that stupid thread you posted.
Hate is a strong word. I hate his fanboys - Batman is the most ridiculously overrated hero in comics. Seriously, ask any average fanboy about Batman and the amount they gush over him is disturbing; it's borderline worship. There's a reason "Batgod" is used dismissively in threads like this. The very concept of a "respect thread" for Batman just makes me roll my eyes. More like a fanboy circle-jerk thread.
The reason I get so pissed in threads like this is that as much as Batman is laughably overrated, Punisher is grossly underrated. If anyone needs a "respect thread," it's the Punisher.
You seem mad
Reason? You guys are trying to claim that Batman can dodge bullets and you're claiming to hide behind the shield of "reason"? DC comics have established time and time and time against that Batman is not a metahuman and does not have superpowers, and yet his mindless fanboys keep trying to hold him up higher and higher to the point where they're now starting to imagine superpowers where there are none. What next are you going to invent? Are you going to claim he has a healing factor equal to or better than Wolverine? Are you going to try and claim he's stronger than the Hulk? Or how about he's faster than Spiderman...oh wait, you've already tried claiming that.
What a complete and utter load. And you all claim that I'M the one being ridiculous.
Dude...it is a fictional universe and real world logic doesn't always apply. Comic Peak Human =/= Real Life Peak Human. But, feats are feats, if the writer has Batman dodge machine gun fire, then that is what we go with. Bullets are usually fodder in the comics, where, in real life, they are king.
Thank you. He doesn't understand this at all.
For the last time, no, he doesn't dodge bullets. And yes, I saw that stupid thread you posted.
Hate is a strong word. I hate his fanboys - Batman is the most ridiculously overrated hero in comics. Seriously, ask any average fanboy about Batman and the amount they gush over him is disturbing; it's borderline worship. There's a reason "Batgod" is used dismissively in threads like this. The very concept of a "respect thread" for Batman just makes me roll my eyes. More like a fanboy circle-jerk thread.
The reason I get so pissed in threads like this is that as much as Batman is laughably overrated, Punisher is grossly underrated. If anyone needs a "respect thread," it's the Punisher.
I think you should stop being offensive! You should respect the others opinions, and not let your fanboyism hinder your logic, because you clearly like Punisher and dislike Batman.
As for the Batman respect thread, a ton of characters have respect threads here in Comicvine, so that's not rare.
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