N52 Aquaman is apparently more powerful than N52 Wonder Woman so lets see what the community thinks.
-Random Encounter
-Location: Watchtower
-Arthur is at full strength and has his trident
-Diana has her standard gear
-Morals Off
-Win by any means
Wonder Woman > Aquaman in strength, speed, agility, endurance, weapons...everything.
I like Arthur, but come on, this isn't a fight.
@superguy1591: But Frozen (one of the best debaters on here) claims he is more powerful due to tanking a continent busting attack.
Wonder Woman > Aquaman in strength, speed, agility, endurance, weapons...everything.
I like Arthur, but come on, this isn't a fight.
didn't aquaman stalemate WW and tackle her through a building before she noticed? the trident is indestructible and he's shown to do some pretty nasty stuff with it
I'll post the respect thread I saw awhile ago
To place the fight at the Watchtower, thousands of miles away from water is rather odd.
In the water he would win
@superguy1591: But Frozen (one of the best debaters on here) claims he is more powerful due to tanking a continent busting attack.
Near the water, Arthur is more powerful. He has better feats --- if someone is to present me with an explanation to why Wonder Woman can defeat Arthur near the water, I would like to see one.
Tanking a continent busting attack is one example of how his durability is much superior.
@zhurong: Aquaman fans like to live in denial and most people don't want to give Diana her respect, but she's the second most powerful member of the current league--including Billy.
Also, I'm sure this has been done before...
@superguy1591: Actual argument, please...
Also don't throw around the term denial in a Wonder Woman thread.
If you read his appearances, you will notice that I kid you not, superior feats. Feats are which more quantifable and generally at a higher level. Also, what is this talk of Billy being that powerful? He's much weaker than Flash and Superman. New-52 Billy is unimpressive.
@deathsdoor726: No, she didn't even take him seriously. When Wonder Woman thinks someone is a threat, she takes off her gauntlets.
Diana didn't even pay him any mind. In Doomed, Wonder Woman is said to be the only other hero who could match Doomsday and survive his mist for more than 5 seconds.
In JL: Amazo Virus, Aquaman is poisoned by the Amazo virus, but Diana is just fine.
Wonder Woman is a class ahead of Aquaman. She's even more powerful than Billy, since, from B&R, Billy was going at full speed and he started first, while Diana just waltz past him effortlessly when they raced to the Watchtower.
@fallschirmjager will like this.
@deathsdoor726: No, she didn't even take him seriously. When Wonder Woman thinks someone is a threat, she takes off her gauntlets.
Diana didn't even pay her any mind. In Doomed, Wonder Woman is said to be the only other hero who could match Doomsday and survive his mist for more than 5 seconds.
In JL: Amazon Virus, Aquaman is poisoned by the
Did she take off her gauntlets against Darkseid? Because Aquaman was the one who did long lasting damage and someone said her weapons are better but he's the only one who stabbed Darkseid
Didn't you make a respect thread for aquaman
@deathsdoor726: She actually stabbed one of Darkseid's eyes with her sword and the sword also pierced Superman and Doomsday.
@deathsdoor726: She actually stabbed one of Darkseid's eyes with her sword and the sword also pierced Superman and Doomsday.
Really? My memory is fuzzy on that I do remember Darkseid getting stabbed in the chest by AM
@deathsdoor726: No, she didn't even take him seriously. When Wonder Woman thinks someone is a threat, she takes off her gauntlets.
Diana didn't even pay him any mind. In Doomed, Wonder Woman is said to be the only other hero who could match Doomsday and survive his mist for more than 5 seconds.
In JL: Amazo Virus, Aquaman is poisoned by the Amazo virus, but Diana is just fine.
Wonder Woman is a class ahead of Aquaman. She's even more powerful than Billy, since, from B&R, Billy was going at full speed and he started first, while Diana just waltz past him effortlessly when they raced to the Watchtower.
Can you show me how little she was effected by it? Because I'm sure Aquaman showed he can go toe to toe with them physically
Can you show me the race?
@zhurong: pretty sure Aquaman blinded Darkseid
@potatobaron: Wonder Woman deflected the omega beams and stabbed Darkseid in one of his eyes
First of all, Diana stab Darkseid in the eye too.
Secondly, she didn't take off the gauntlet because Azz hadn't showcased them yet.
Thirdly, she did outpace Billy in terms of speed in B&R.
@zhurong: just found it on the new 52 respect thread, didn't know that.
@sog7dc: lol, how does he stomp, never mind win, when Diana is powerful enough to take on both Mongul and Non at the same time, Faora etc, Orion and more; she is a very lowballed character in New-52.
I don't see why she isn't considered near Superman at least, due to physical strength, when she counters than in other ways; to demonstrate her being at that level etc.
Thirdly, she did outpace Billy in terms of speed in B&R.
No, she did not. Stop lying to make a point. The instance is from Batman & Robin #34 and there is not a shred of evidence she ''wizzed past Billy''.
It's quite weird how people think that Arthur is stronger than the second most powerful league despite DC has shown that Superman, Wonder Woman, and Hal Jordan (at the time) were three most powerful leaguers. (Well Hal being replaced by Shazam now)
I believe everyone is getting this idea due to the fact that Aquaman has tank a continent level attack? Is there any other feat's on a consistent basis that shows his durability is always at this level? Cause I remember him recently being hurt by Gorilla Grodd, and other characters around that level. Diana's durability is much more consistent than that, and there is much Arthur is going to do to be able to win this. Why? Diana is physically superior to him, I wouldn't say by far because based off of feats that hasn't been shown, but if we want to do a comparison, a kick from her seemed to hurt Superman more than Arthur's punch. Aquaman has a Trident that Diana can easily counter with her sword, and due to the fact that she's much more skilled than him, she's going to easily disarm him.
I could go on with comparisons in speed, durability, ect, but she simply has him outclassed everywhere.
@zhurong: Aquaman fans like to live in denial and most people don't want to give Diana her respect, but she's the second most powerful member of the current league--including Billy.
Also, I'm sure this has been done before...
Doesn't mean Aquaman would lose to her
Batman has the weakest bench press out of everyone there (save flash) and he managed to wreck Apokolips forces (after all these years I still don't know how to spell the planets name)
And people do give Diana her respect
You don't give Arthur his
What feats does Non or Mongul have in the new 52? None. He stomps. Faora has no feats and was even stated to have been low on yellow sun radiation, Aquaman's feats are currently far better than anything Orion has done .
She hasn't been depicted at Superman's level in the new 52.
How exactly does Aquaman stomp Diana? That's quite the thing to say, cause your not saying he wins, but that he basically wrecks her.
He has better feats in literally every category.
Except skill. She's more skilled. That's it. She doesn't have any quantifiable durability or damage output feats.
He has better feats in literally every category.
That's quite a judgment you made, it's pretty wrong though.
Except skill. She's more skilled. That's it. She doesn't have any quantifiable durability or damage output feats.
She's more skilled, she's stronger (Although I'll agree it hasn't been shown by how much), she's more durable, she's faster, more skilled. I think it's quite the opposite to be honest. Not to mention not all of Arthur's feats are quantifiable either.
Prove me wrong.
She is not stronger. She should be, but she doesn't have any feats to suggest that. She definitely has no durability feats that match up against Arthur's, she hasn't done anything to suggest she has any real advantage with regards to speed.
@sog7dc: Non is Kryptonain, and Mongul fought Supes already, however fighting both at the same time; and easily handling them is a very good feat.
Faora wasn't weak, she was more powerful than normal, however Diana schooled her, proving that her physcial ability were nothing to her skill etc.
Lol Orion is leagues above Aquaman, now I think your hyping.
Orion matched New-52 Superman, and took all his hits etc, manhandled New-52 Green Lantern, but lost to Diana; explain that...
People don't recognise her, because she hasn't had a lifting feat which is something, which is what Superman gets mostly recognised for, whereas Diana matches that with her skill and more.
Prove me wrong.
She is not stronger. She should be, but she doesn't have any feats to suggest that. She definitely has no durability feats that match up against Arthur's, she hasn't done anything to suggest she has any real advantage with regards to speed.
Being Kryptonian isn't a feat.
Mongul got hit 200 miles away by superman and disappeared. That's all he did.
No. Faora had only a few minutes of sunlight exposure. She wasn't even as strong as Kara at that point.
Orion does not have any feats to prove that. His only good feat is tanking a blast of heat vision. He has no skill feats so far, no astroforce feats so far, no speed or any remarkable striking/strength.
What makes you think Orion's durability is better than Arthur's? Arthur tanked a continent busting attack. That trumps everything Orion has done. New 52 Hal Jordan has been pathetic, his good feats are outweighed by his poor ones. When did this happen? This is the first I'm hearing of Orion losing a fight against Diana.
Who cares about lifting? Show me a decent striking feat, a decent showing against someone with Arthur's durability. The only thing Diana has going for her is skill.
Btw, I like Orion and Diana far more than Arthur, but they don't have the feats. It's a bitter pill to swallow but it's true. Unless of course you have feats to prove me wrong, in which case please, please, please post them.
I had a feeling this thread was coming (surprised it wasn't alresdy one...) But for that continent level durability , is that consistent or is that just his high end feat ? Diana standard gear is her lasso & sword . How does Aquaman fair against her sword ? Does Aquaman have the speed to keep up with her ? Besides throne of Atlantis I haven't keep up with Aquaman but I kept up with Wonder Woman so any feats for Aquaman that keeps him him Wonder Woman league ?
Striking- http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3286972 , http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3286973
Durability- (tanks a submarine exploding)http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3287010
(Tanks continent busting attack)
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3561352
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3561353
http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3561354
As far as speed. I'm not saying Arthur is faster, I'm saying Diana isn't so much faster that it makes a great but of difference.
If you have Diana feats better than Arthur's, I genuinely welcome them because I like her more.
@sog7dc: Non is depicted as the strongest of the trio, and even so, are you saying he would not be strong due to being Kryptonian, however she managed to deal with both easily; whereas Superman wasted time dealing with Mongul etc.
Proof she wasn't as strong as Kara?
Lol Orion took Superman's speed blitz and laughed, beat Hal easily, and smashed his construct with no problem; so stop lowballing. He also did quite well against First Born. Lifted a huge ship, unfazed by Superman's heat vision.
Orion fought Hal recently, and manhandled him, which is immpresive, not the one Darkseid took out in the past.
Diana was superior in her fight with First Born, while Orion was down.
Ocean Master downed everyone, however Diana was the only one fine and standing, also she can also block with her shield, gauntlets etc.
She also dragged Superdoom into space etc, and he was more powerful than regular Superman.
Took hit from H'el.
Holds her own against Doomsday for a short while.
Easily handled Supergirl.
Also she was holding of Zod, and Fsora, while Superman was dead weight in that fight.
She is immpresive.
Diana will in this even if Arthur hold his own fight against them, I don't see him winning against Diana. Diana's feats are all impressive, I don't know if Arthur has telepathy resistance because Diana can use her power as the God of war to read Arthur 's mind. Arthur needs more amps in the future to make him more powerful like the other leaguers.
Show me one feat for Non. Just one. You have no idea if it was easy or not because it all happened off-panel.
She was only exposed to yellow sunlight for a few minutes whereas Kara has been in it for a few years now.
Aquaman tanked something capable of destroying a continent. Was Superman's speedblitz that powerful? Hal has some God awful durability showings in the New 52. Breaking his constructs is no accomplishment. First. Born has zero quantifiable showings. Aquaman tosses, tows and throws Ships around routinely in his title. I already said tanking the heat vision was his best feat.
That's not impressive at all. Hal has poultry durability. His constructs have been trash in the new 52.
Prove it. Post a scan of Diana beating him.
Diana was knocked it along with everyone else by that PIS lightening.
She only did that after activating god mode and using her lasso.
When? Link or scan, please.
Lol no. She did not hold anything against doomsday.
That, she did. Supergirl would also lose to Arthur.
1, Superman was more focused on the destruction and literally wasn't even trying to fight them. 2, they had minimal sun exposure meaning they weren't as strong as you're making them out to be.
@sog7dc: Non punched Steel flying.
Superman was still getting manhandled, while Diana was dealing with both, without too much trouble.
A continent attack compared to Diana taking a hit from H'el and many more, also just because he blocked a brute force attack, it doesn't in any way mean, he wouldn't easily get sliced by Diana.
Superman was giving it all, by him face and the way he was acting, however Orion was laughing at him.
Breaking a current Green Lantern's construct is great, lol, that's better than the continent feat, considering what his shields can take etc.
First Born has great showings, your talking rubbish now, as First Born manhandled almost all Olympus, easily manhandled Orion, and Apollo; who was able to hit Superman and send him flying easily.
Diana took the blast the best in the pic.
Diana can activate it when she wants, not that she needs it against Aquaman.
Yes she hold her own against Doomsday, until Superman came in, and told her to leave it to him.
Supergirl was doing good against the Flash, and not to bad against Superman, however Diana easily handled her via matching her physcial wise, but vastly superior skill.
No he wasn't, he was trying to deal with them, was getting manhandled, Diana was handiling both, until she went for Faora had her finished; but Superman was holding her back.
Just saying, but when Wonder Woman fought Zod and Faora at once, Faora and Zod were both still adjusting to absorbing sunlight. So they honestly weren't that strong. Plus Superman wasn't really wanting to fight, and when he did, Zod and Faora surprised him.
Wonder Woman used her godmode while she was fighting actually she just said "Stop" and lassoed Superdoom so.. She still lassoed him, but she used her godmode when she faced Superdoom..
I'll admit she's a better fighter and faster, to an extent though.
@frozen: show the panel before that where Billy lifted off before her and was surprised to see her by his side.
And she wasn't racing him, she ignored him.
And Billy >>> Arthur in terms of speed.
@deathsdoor726 I do respect Aquaman, but that doesn't mean I'm going to short change Diana.
Hell, I know I don't consider Endgame a valuable source of feats for a fight, but Batman didn't even think Arthur was worth turning around for.
In scale of threat, Superman was first, Wonder Woman second, Flash third and Aquaman a distant Fourth.
@frozen: show the panel before that where Billy lifted off before her and was surprised to see her by his side.
And she wasn't racing him, she ignored him.
On page 16 a text-bubble is seen on the small panel which proclaims that he bets he can make it there faster. No panel shows a surprised Billy whatsoever; as they are seen flying together for the first time on page 18. This ''waltzing'' past him nonsense did not occur in the book. Also, I cannot post more than three scans from one issue.
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