ok take neo out of the matrix he is not as powerful, he can barely shut down the machines he cant fly but he knows kung fu he cannot beat vader at that point
Neo vs Vader
"Isn't it possible that once Vader enters the Matrix, he would gain powers like Neo's as long as he "believes"?The hell would he believe in? This is a question of What "IF". And Vadar only believes in anger and hatred. And they pretty much stick to it. And there is no oracle around to suppose Vadar because he would just try and force the information outta her. There is no such thing like that in battle threads. Neo is a monster. He flew 500 miles in just fifteen minutes. He outflew an explosion. He fought off hundereds of smiths and made thousands upon thousands of machines self destruct.
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"Isn't it possible that once Vader enters the Matrix, he would gain powers like Neo's as long as he "believes"?Probably superior since he is already telepathic/telekinetic
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"One-Above-You said:all inside a fictional world... take him out of that what is he? a man"Isn't it possible that once Vader enters the Matrix, he would gain powers like Neo's as long as he "believes"?The hell would he believe in? This is a question of What "IF". And Vadar only believes in anger and hatred. And they pretty much stick to it. And there is no oracle around to suppose Vadar because he would just try and force the information outta her. There is no such thing like that in battle threads. Neo is a monster. He flew 500 miles in just fifteen minutes. He outflew an explosion. He fought off hundereds of smiths and made thousands upon thousands of machines self destruct.
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"One-Above-You said:when people such as Morpheus went into the Matrix, they are able to do things such as running up walls and dodging bullets, Vader is much more powerful than Neo outside of the matrix, so why wouldn't he be able to gain powers just like his?"Isn't it possible that once Vader enters the Matrix, he would gain powers like Neo's as long as he "believes"?The hell would he believe in? This is a question of What "IF". And Vadar only believes in anger and hatred. And they pretty much stick to it. And there is no oracle around to suppose Vadar because he would just try and force the information outta her. There is no such thing like that in battle threads. Neo is a monster. He flew 500 miles in just fifteen minutes. He outflew an explosion. He fought off hundereds of smiths and made thousands upon thousands of machines self destruct.
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"Hedatary said:But thats it isn't it? It's only people with the outlets can get pluged in. And vadar isn't one so he can't. And Neo is the one. Why is this so hard to believe that Vadar is lost. What you are asking is a WHAT IF. There is no such thing as WHAT IF in BATTLE thread. GET IT!!"One-Above-You said:when people such as Morpheus went into the Matrix, they are able to do things such as running up walls and dodging bullets, Vader is much more powerful than Neo outside of the matrix, so why wouldn't he be able to gain powers just like his?"Isn't it possible that once Vader enters the Matrix, he would gain powers like Neo's as long as he "believes"?The hell would he believe in? This is a question of What "IF". And Vadar only believes in anger and hatred. And they pretty much stick to it. And there is no oracle around to suppose Vadar because he would just try and force the information outta her. There is no such thing like that in battle threads. Neo is a monster. He flew 500 miles in just fifteen minutes. He outflew an explosion. He fought off hundereds of smiths and made thousands upon thousands of machines self destruct.
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If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
"One-Above-You said:so since vader cant even enter that realm he would have to fight neo in the real world and would still win"Hedatary said:But thats it isn't it? It's only people with the outlets can get pluged in. And vadar isn't one so he can't. And Neo is the one. Why is this so hard to believe that Vadar is lost. What you are asking is a WHAT IF. There is no such thing as WHAT IF in BATTLE thread. GET IT!!"One-Above-You said:when people such as Morpheus went into the Matrix, they are able to do things such as running up walls and dodging bullets, Vader is much more powerful than Neo outside of the matrix, so why wouldn't he be able to gain powers just like his?"Isn't it possible that once Vader enters the Matrix, he would gain powers like Neo's as long as he "believes"?The hell would he believe in? This is a question of What "IF". And Vadar only believes in anger and hatred. And they pretty much stick to it. And there is no oracle around to suppose Vadar because he would just try and force the information outta her. There is no such thing like that in battle threads. Neo is a monster. He flew 500 miles in just fifteen minutes. He outflew an explosion. He fought off hundereds of smiths and made thousands upon thousands of machines self destruct.
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"One-Above-You said:Why can't I ask if that can happen? Many people have gained extra powers and such by entering the Matrix. Is there a reason I can't answer with a what if? This whole thread is a battle about WHAT IF Vader fights Neo in the Matrix. So you must consider the possibility that Vader would gain much more power than Neo if not equal."Hedatary said:But thats it isn't it? It's only people with the outlets can get pluged in. And vadar isn't one so he can't. And Neo is the one. Why is this so hard to believe that Vadar is lost. What you are asking is a WHAT IF. There is no such thing as WHAT IF in BATTLE thread. GET IT!!"One-Above-You said:when people such as Morpheus went into the Matrix, they are able to do things such as running up walls and dodging bullets, Vader is much more powerful than Neo outside of the matrix, so why wouldn't he be able to gain powers just like his?"Isn't it possible that once Vader enters the Matrix, he would gain powers like Neo's as long as he "believes"?The hell would he believe in? This is a question of What "IF". And Vadar only believes in anger and hatred. And they pretty much stick to it. And there is no oracle around to suppose Vadar because he would just try and force the information outta her. There is no such thing like that in battle threads. Neo is a monster. He flew 500 miles in just fifteen minutes. He outflew an explosion. He fought off hundereds of smiths and made thousands upon thousands of machines self destruct.
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"Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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"The Nocturnal said:If i remember right. he imploded about 2 or 3 and then fainted...."Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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"The Nocturnal said:but he died after he did that it took all his effort to do it"Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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you still havent told me why neo cant just get force choked, its not fanboyism there is just doubt
"Hedatary said:At first yes because the ability overwhelmed him. Then later, Neo becomes so use to his powers that he and Trinity invaded the machine city, plowed right through. He sensed the machines with his mind, him being blind. And with a wave of his hand, he imploded thousands upon thousands of waves of warmachines. So yea, Neo wins."The Nocturnal said:If i remember right. he imploded about 2 or 3 and then fainted...."Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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"Hedatary said:At first yes because the ability overwhelmed him. Then later, Neo becomes so use to his powers that he and Trinity invaded the machine city, plowed right through. He sensed the machines with his mind, him being blind. And with a wave of his hand, he imploded thousands upon thousands of waves of warmachines. So yea, Neo wins."The Nocturnal said:If i remember right. he imploded about 2 or 3 and then fainted...."Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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"I'm like the number one Star Wars fanboy here...and even I admit Neo wins here...."
I thought Reverand Jim and Eganthevile1 were the main fanboys as far as SW goes on CV judging from the SW character pages I've seen on the site
"One-Above-You said:Oh lol, In that case Neo wins. I stopped watching the third matrix movie after his final fight with the Agent Smith. Sorry about that."Hedatary said:At first yes because the ability overwhelmed him. Then later, Neo becomes so use to his powers that he and Trinity invaded the machine city, plowed right through. He sensed the machines with his mind, him being blind. And with a wave of his hand, he imploded thousands upon thousands of waves of warmachines. So yea, Neo wins."The Nocturnal said:If i remember right. he imploded about 2 or 3 and then fainted...."Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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"Hedatary said:First of all, he died because he gave his life to stop Smith after he had a talked with the machine boss. He went in again to fight Smith. Get your facts straight. And listen to Starkiller. He really is the number one fanboy of starwars."The Nocturnal said:but he died after he did that it took all his effort to do it"Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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you still havent told me why neo cant just get force choked, its not fanboyism there is just doubt
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"Hedatary said:..........Never go into a debate without knowing everything."One-Above-You said:Oh lol, In that case Neo wins. Sorry, I stopped watching the third matrix movie after his final fight with the Agent Smith. Sorry for bothering you."Hedatary said:At first yes because the ability overwhelmed him. Then later, Neo becomes so use to his powers that he and Trinity invaded the machine city, plowed right through. He sensed the machines with his mind, him being blind. And with a wave of his hand, he imploded thousands upon thousands of waves of warmachines. So yea, Neo wins."The Nocturnal said:If i remember right. he imploded about 2 or 3 and then fainted...."Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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"One-Above-You said:Why not? Do you know every little thing about Darth Vader?"Hedatary said:..........Never go into a debate without knowing everything."One-Above-You said:Oh lol, In that case Neo wins. Sorry, I stopped watching the third matrix movie after his final fight with the Agent Smith. Sorry for bothering you."Hedatary said:At first yes because the ability overwhelmed him. Then later, Neo becomes so use to his powers that he and Trinity invaded the machine city, plowed right through. He sensed the machines with his mind, him being blind. And with a wave of his hand, he imploded thousands upon thousands of waves of warmachines. So yea, Neo wins."The Nocturnal said:If i remember right. he imploded about 2 or 3 and then fainted...."Actually Neo wins even in the real world. You do realize that Neo implodes thousands of those machines in the real world right? Right? Why is it so hard to believe Neo would win? This is just fanboyism right there.If they are both outside the Matrix Neo stands no chance, if they are both in Neo still is probably at the losing end, you cant have it both ways, both in or both out.
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To be honest, Neo has 3 movies and that's pretty much it, Vader has such an extensive lore and established battles and stories to his credit, I just cant give this to Neo, I'll shut up now, but I wont give it to Neo.
There doesn't have to be so much thing on someone to know that he would lose. Star wars has been in the making for what....since the 70's. Neo wins but believe whatever you want. And one more thing, have you ever read the Matrix book? It's so much more complex then action and love. Trust me.
"First of all, he died because he gave his life to stop Smith after he had a talked with the machine boss. He went in again to fight Smith. Get your facts straight. And listen to Starkiller. He really is the number one fanboy of starwars."true you got me their and just bec. he is the number 1 "fanboy" doesnt mean who knows everything... still didnt get a reason to why he cant force choke neo.... do you conceed to that possibility
"Hedatary said:How does the force choke work? Because Neo was able to revive trinity from the dead by fixing her heart or something like that, and he revived from the dead because of a kiss."First of all, he died because he gave his life to stop Smith after he had a talked with the machine boss. He went in again to fight Smith. Get your facts straight. And listen to Starkiller. He really is the number one fanboy of starwars."true you got me their and just bec. he is the number 1 "fanboy" doesnt mean who knows everything... still didnt get a reason to why he cant force choke neo.... do you conceed to that possibility
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OK based on that I have made a character Goranna. He controls reality and can bend it to do whatever he pleases, he also can manipulate time any way he sees fit. He is only established in this single post but he is more powerfull then Neo, but that doesnt matter because established characters dont matter! And I'm out!
"OK based on that I have made a character Goranna. He controls reality and can bend it to do whatever he pleases, he also can manipulate time any way he sees fit. He is only established in this single post but he is more powerfull then Neo, but that doesnt matter because established characters dont matter! And I'm out!"HUH?!!
"Kadaj said:Lol no! Neo revived her heart by phasing his hand through her body and jump start her heart by jump starting her heart with electricity....at least i think."Hedatary said:How does the force choke work? Because Neo was able to revive trinity from the dead by fixing her heart or something like that, and he revived from the dead because of a kiss."First of all, he died because he gave his life to stop Smith after he had a talked with the machine boss. He went in again to fight Smith. Get your facts straight. And listen to Starkiller. He really is the number one fanboy of starwars."true you got me their and just bec. he is the number 1 "fanboy" doesnt mean who knows everything... still didnt get a reason to why he cant force choke neo.... do you conceed to that possibility
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No it isnt possible... because vader isnt The One... Neo is a anomaly so he is gaining power because every glitch in the matrix is being transferred to Neo... Neo was becoming so powerful that his powers were manifesting themselfs in reality.
The Matrix:The Path of Darth Vader part I
Star wars was one of the privious matrix'es the archtech told us about, the SW matrix is a much older version of the matrix in a galaxy far far away, so Darth Vader is deff another chosen inherent to the programming of the matrix....Vader rules this one, force choke will end this, just the Force alone ( matrix programing on another level) also remember the trainman whipped neo with ease, Vaders programing would be as that thus, things neo would normally do possibly wouldn't phase vader, but well give him his power.
Vaders more machine then man, so he'd be a far more powerful force to NEO, Darth sidious said Vader will be more powerful then either of us, referring to yoda. So Vader returns to a much different version of the matrix, And learns of Neo, using the Force he tracks him down to face the 6th ONE,
Vader foreseeing (oracle type forsight) His arrival,
The Matrix: The Path of Darth Vader part I
Darth Vader lies in a darkened street of a broken matrix city, the program smith which altered the
matrix generated a tertiary (The third order) Matrix ,Neo thought to be dead was shifted to this back up gateway, like with the trainman........ breathing his death chant, igniting his crimson red light saber Vader looks up to a vast and destroyed city that is unfamiliar, but deeply ancient and primitive. Force leaping to a near broken building 4 stories up. he notices a lone beggar, The dark lord instantly force chokes him gripping him to himself, however as he grips he Perceives that the building behind the man he grips begins to shake and many pieces of it pull towards him...it would seem his power has grown stronger
"Where am I" Darth says in a grueling menacing voice, the beggar pleads that this place is the aftermath of all failed matrix’s, all dead, or glitching programs are collected here...and that they both need to flee and run for there lives... " I run from no one" he continues and force pushes the towards the building with unstoppable force. breaking its already shattered structure .
The noise, alerts 7 deadly black war machines that were on patrol of the area hunting, seeking and utter killing any thing not of its kind.
Hovering, and proceeding rapidly, these killer drones with multiple red glowing spider like eyes, and many long tendril like mechanical tentacles jointly connected,
demonstrating the raw awesomeness of its construction. And still project a errie look as each mechanical seam have a faint crimson red glow scaling along each sectioned piece of each deadly arm,
swarm fiercely towards there pray without fear or hesitation.
Sentinels!!! the poor beggar yelps and begins to run ,but a sentinel swoops in and coils 3 of its jet black arms around him and used the many others to pierce him in and out, blood and internal flesh slip out in every direction splattering all over.
The other 6 Sentinels zip towards Vader, Vader using the force, force pushes 3, of the metal beasts back into another building with what would be painful power, they smash easily through the walls but collided into the middle one with great force destroying it instantly, broken concrete and crippled wall sheet rock scatter in numerous directions. Vader force leaps and slashes the other 3 in mid air, one is slashed in half, one is split at its head, the third is cleaved through the center splitting it into Two, like God’s glorly when parting the red seas.
and multiple wires bleed out of the doomed sentinels.
The 7th machine at the time that killed the beggar halts its attack, calculating the best approach to this new threat, however as fast as a machine can calculate, the
force is that much faster. Vader force throws this saber into the sentinel which is saber’ed into many hot smoking smoldering pieces Vader catches his Lightsaber and for a bref sec the only 2 sound variances were the blood red thrum of his saber and his Tormenting death breathing, khhhhooolll khonnnnn........ Khhhhoooll Khonnnnn.
The remaining 2 sentinels emerge from the top of the building they were smashed into, slightly glitched from that unseen blast, one sentinel suffers from electrical sparks seeping out its mechanical body from internal damage and outer hull harm, the other unscathed but still battered and dints hammered into its hull.
Vader unshaken, unintimidated, maneuvers with force speed leaping to the street below, the 2 machines swirl down towards him like sharks homing in on their fated prey.
As Vader lands the ground cracks in a spherical shape rippling vastly ,dust and street arise bowing down to this dark king.
The 2 sentinels separate and flank the Dark Lord. Vader growing tired of this feeble match Force pulls one toward him, so fast it was barely visible to see with the naked eye, but 3 on lookers hiding within debris, to escape what people call THE SECOND DEATH, saw this Dark armored man perform the unthinkable.
The gripped sentinel is let loose by Vader, out of pure futileness and instantly launches 4 tentacles at Vader in hope to impale him. Vader sensing the machine moves, Lightsabers each arm with ease, lightening fast, the machine counters with its other arms but Vader Force pushes away, it fires its center red crimson laser at Vader, Vader amused at the color gives a cloaked smirk behind his dark mask, but he blocks it and deflects it back at the doomed sentinel with vaporizes its face, the once unstoppable sentinel flops to the pavement lifeless.
The last remaining machine attempts to attack as Darth Vader’s back is turned but as Vader vanquishes the machine he immediately grips the last one. Angered he Force slams it into building after building,creating more debris , the hidden on lookers remain hiding due to this powerful figure they see destroy 7 sentinels with ease then holds it for a split sec. Vader's breath, emulates in deep bursts, khhhhooolll khonnnnn........ Khhhhoooll Khonnnnn, is repeted over and over and the sentinel quakes greatly then implodes, and explodes parts and scraps fly in all directions, pieces lay at Vader’s feet including part of its tentacles wobbling Vader pushes the remaining debris away..
Lurking in a window of a familiar room, but heavily damaged, lone apartment building within its
kitchen hanging over the entry way to the living room in Latin reads a partial broken sign that reads, KNOW THY SELF.. , a tall figure with black rim, sun glasses, short black hair cut in a stylish form with a few minimal short hair strans gazing off the side of his face just below his eyes, he wore a long black neck rimed folded trench-Gi-type coat, he stands watching this Dark armored figured from afar
" Is this..... what... you meant ......Oracle?" Neo says The familiar old woman we know as the mother of the matrix sits smoking her usual cigarette. "yes neo, all that ever was or ever has been...will be again" she says in her wisdom... " Can.....I.....Stop It?" Neo responds
"Only If you Choose to be the One Neo" The oracle says puffing a mist of smoke....
"How ....do...I do that, If I’m .......already the one?" neo protest "
They’re many that can be the One Neo, but Only one of you, can remain as the One who should be, and if its not you.....it will be him" the oracle replies
"How...do I stop this, this...is far different...then Smith.." Neo cries
"Every thing you know and understand has changed Neo......Neo listen the matrix has reloaded, and i must return to my duties, for this new version, know this regardless of what happens you will see me ,morpheus and Trinity again im sure of it" she says smiling and fades into nothing.....Neo notices a plate of cookies and a spoon, all but one cookie remains as the oracle fades away. Neo takes the cookie and eats rememberbering the past times every time a pivotal moment arises he always ate one of the oracles cookies.
Neo looks out upon the broken matrix ,and watches this dark figure from afar. with his bright red blade and watches his every move.
." There never was a spoon...." he utters to himself, kneeling down the floor walls and room ripple inward, bending and curving. Neo bends the matrix to his will as he saw fit to fly and launches out of the window with sheer speed, and magnitude, the entire room invisibly explodes with force, just with no fire and smoke ,the ripple neo left ends up shattering the room even more ..as he heads toward destiny or his doom...................................................................................................................................
there really never was a spoon.............................................................
cont. in part II ( if y'all want it)
ill take that as a compliment, Xan & Hellos if yall like it i'll do a part 2 and 3 baised on the reaction of every ones opinion about the Neo vs Vader thread . i do draw in write , this stuff its all for fun i do it for the fans who just want to injoy sum creative fiction...u should read my Captain america vs sylar on a thread some one posted ended up posting a story of them battling....my goal is to do the neo vs Vader too as u can see, seems Vader is up on points i admit vades my fav bad guy of all time, but i sho do love Neo' as a character hes a bad ass, and i wanna make him bader ass here, but so far vaders got the upper hand....holla back if ya want me to do part 2 n 3 or if it sucked eff it Neo wins lol
PS oh if yall want to see any body in this story ill take seggustions and throw cameo's as long as it aint too too crazy im just not throwin bugg bunny in this,unless u want him to die..lol but ive got sum cool ideas for The matrix The path of Darth Vader....
Off toppic my Sylar vs Captain america battle, hey i didnt start this post lol only responded to it
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/sylar-heroes-vs-captain-america/9367/#13
At their peak EU Vader beats the one Neo.
Canon Vader vs resurrections neo probably also goes to Vader
At their peak EU Vader beats the one Neo.
Canon Vader vs resurrections neo probably also goes to Vader
Did Neo get new feats?
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