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Who wins? Why?
Neo fastest punches wont do nothing to clark because he don't have the power to hurt Clark even in the slightest.
You realize you said two opposite things in the same statements? Neo's punches are far faster than any of the kryptonians. More than enough to hurt clark.
Every punch landed in the MOS knock their opponents back.
That's because of their serious lack of combat speed and any kind of skill.. They are unable to stop themselves before the punch carries them a block's worth of distance. That's... really low reflexes.
Neo landed what seemed like a hundred punches on Smith and he stood there and took it.No way will Neo or Smith still be standing in the same spot if they got hit by Clark.
first, they won't get hit by it.
Second, they won't even move a foot, because they actually have reflexes to realize before the punch carries them several feet.
Third, clark will already be hit by half a dozen punches, each faster than his own by the time he could finish a punch. Game over.
You mentioned the falcon punch and block shattering drop will durability feats. Clark will easily shatter blocks with normal punches. Clark and Zod's punches was breaking SKYCRAPERS....
That's a complete claim. no punch clark has ever done says he could do block's worth of damage. Consider the size of a building compared to size of the block. Zod and clark's tiny hits won't even be visible compared to something like this:
(see? a shockwave barely few floors wide isn't even going to be visible here. literally.)
Neo and Smith punches was cracking windows........"HUGE DIFFERENCE"....and to make it even worse.....Neo and Smith was fighting INSIDE a building which is PROOF that they don't have the striking power of superman. Clark and Zod couldn't possibly fight in a building without tearing it down with their striking power.
...How does that make it worse? Faora was owning the daylights out of clark, and they were fighting inside a building, too. Just that clark's reflexes are way too slow to realize that he's being thrown and reaction speed is far too low to actually stop. If clark actually had control over his speed, there is no reason for him to go flying back with every hit.
And the only thing Clark needs to do is ram him with his flight speed and grab him.....after that, its game over for Neo. A few punches or simply just heat vision end this fight.
Not really. Neo is more than fast enough to simply side-step clark's extremely linear attacks, and ironically, snap his neck in the same moment. Clark has zero feats saying he could land a single hit, and neo isn't going down easy even if he does.
I actually gave you a specific example and you cleverly ignored it and made sure it wasn't in the reply. Allow me to restate the very specific example in even clearer terms. A rocket goes massively faster than supersonic; if the image shown with Neo were how it worked then when a rocket goes into space, or even the upper atmosphere, it would pull satellites and other objects with it in the exact same manner. With over 19,000 objects orbiting earth, and with limited launch sites due to the physics and capabilities involved; each trip to the ISS would destroy hundreds of satellites and completely throw off the trajectory of many others to constantly cause collisions. The idea that when you go supersonic you create a whirlwind that constantly pulls objects behind you non-stop is absurd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWGLAAYdbbc
But there's also that where you see planes go supersonic near other objects, including relatively close to people and stationary planes. And the video actually points out that the clouds you see travelling with the planes, don't travel with it. They're constantly created.
Actually, if you paid slightest of attention to the comments, I didn't ignore anything. The clear enough answer is "distance".
Did you see how close range both clark and neo were flying to ground in their respective movies?
The plane is moving wayyy too far away from anything to make a difference. Even more so, the rocket.
Try standing close to a approaching train. (no. don't do it literally). Imagine the effect when a massively hypersonic object is flying by.
If you're big enough and going fast enough and close enough you can create a wave that knocks something over; but you don't create a whirlwhind that pulls things with you across town; and a human isn't big enough to even knock a car over doing that at supersonic speeds. So the claim that he is so fast he pulls cars with him is absurd and doesn't demonstrate speed, it demonstrates an lack of knowledge of physics. And that was the point.
And immensely strong wind can cause big objects to fly through the air. A human may not be big enough, but with enough speed, he can easily replicate the effect.
No, it's not. He doesn't have the travel speed; and he can be blitzed.
Travel speed is debatable, because neo only traveled short distances. Combat speed isn't even remotely close. With reflexes like neo's, he has all the time in the world to side-step the flat straight line blitz. It's neo who's doing the blitzing here. Clark's reflexes are way too slow to keep up.
He may have faster punches; but Superman can get to him first with that first hit.
1. He isn't landing any to begin with.
2. Not 'may'. He does have far faster punches.
3. And neo is more than enough durable to take a few hits and keep going.
And Neo doesn't have nearly enough strength or durability to handle Superman. He can't take him down.
Why not? His punches are far faster than zod's, faora's, or nam-ek's. He has more than enough output required to at least KO clark.
It's like putting quicksilver up against Aquaman, the speed just isn't going to be enough.
Except here quicksilver has enough combat speed to never get tagged, so much of skill advantage that the combat speed one may not be needed, More than Durable enough to take several hits if required, and punches outclassing what clearly hurt, even nearly Ko'd aquaman.
Add in all the conditions, and the example is correct: aquaman can't ever win.
Especially since Superman will use heat vision if it comes down to it.
And? Aim-dodging ftw. Heat vision is a simple straight line attack. Useless against someone with a higher combat speed.
Do me a favour; actually read what I said and watch the link. I explained exactly why it's wrong, and it has not to do with Clark. Had you watched the video you would have seen one of the planes flying as close to civilians as Neo was to the ground. And if you knew anything about satellites and rockets you'd know Rockets travel insanely close to satellites because they have no choice.
No, he can't. Watch the video and listen to how it works, or re-read my comments where I explain it.
No,that doesn't make it debatable. You can't say something debatable because Neo didn't have the chance to show off; if the fastest he travelled is far slower than clark's fastest, then that's a factor.
1) Yes, he is. Combat speed is useless when someone is fast enough for an initial blitz; and being able to dodge a bullet isn't helpful again a guy who will tackle you at superspeed.
2) Most of his punches weren't that fast, and they're slower than Clark's initial attacks when he flies out of nowhere at someone.
3) I'm calling complete bullshit on this one. Go re-watch the final fight between Neo and Smith. The FIRST real hit completely staggered Neo. He was in the air and when he got hit he couldn't recover. Smith then smashed him into the ground and Neo lay there. Minutes later he struggled to move and got up. And when Smith attacked him he couldn't fight back getting only one punch in before being beat down again.
Neo is a glass cannon; but his strength isn't even up to MoS.
No, he doesn't. His punches aren't as fast as their speed fueled attacks and his hits aren't nearly as strong. And if he tried to stand there and punch Clark that leaves him wide open to a counter; and Clark has shown he's willing to take a punch while he's punching someone else.
No, none of the qualifiers are actually right. You haven't demonstrated any of that. You've simply claimed it and tried your best to ignore everything that makes your view seem wrong.
So it's your assertion now that Neo can dodging a moving heat vision attack even though he has no experience dodging beam attacks, no experience dodging attacks from such close range, and his method of dodging leaves his lower half exactly where it is and completely vulnerable with no indication of any ability to recover if someone sweeps down with an attack during his dodge? Cause that seems like fanboy bs and is unsubstantiated.
1. Rockets don't really have a dense atmosphere to affect space stations. When an F-18 detaches tanks, the tanks are moving at the same speed as it is. It accelerates further. 0_0
Either way. Neo is fast enough to move several (dozen) cars by flying past them. Clark fails to budge a giraffe. There is no way past it.
2. I disagree; their speed punches and blitzes did not look any slower than the agents.
Sure they did. Much, much slower:
3. You lack a rational response so you try and belittle my argument? Nice. Really classy. I never said they were imaginary by the way. I was point out that the hits before that one were pathetic in comparison so it doesn't speak well for his durability.
Rational responses are required for rational points only. What pathetic hits? They can take faster hits than clark's, and still not get knocked back a single foot. Heck, pre-one neo was fighting too fast for computers to follow.
4. Actually I was giving an example of the comparison of power. The problem with using the flash is that a) it's an idiotic comparison that only fanboys would bother using, and b) the reason the flash beats superman has never been about just the speed but rather the abilities the speedforce grants. But then you'd have to care about not being disingenuous to care about that.
Yes, and comparing superman to aquaman is so much more sensible than that. Oh wait.
Flash's debate usually boils down to two points: clark can never tag flash, while flash barrages him with imps till he is nothing but a bloody mess. no need for any extra ability.
The reason he used flash was because quicksilver-aquaman gap wasn't explaining it properly.
1. More than enough? not really.
The simple point is. Neo is fast enough to move cars by flying past them. Clark isn't.
2. Disagreeing is fine.
3. Actually, a piece of paper is twice as powerful. -if- it has the same weight as the car. Superman doesn't have super-weight, nor was it ever implied in the movie.
4. Yes, calling feats 'not real' is a rational point. Newsflash: It isn't.
5. Considering neo fights far faster than clark, calling his hits pathetically weak makes clark look weaker by definition.
6. Really? so you quantified neo's combat speed, superman's combat speed, their durabilities, outputs, measured them all, and compared that to quicksilver and aquaman, and then gave the example? Doesn't look like it. If you did, do provide details. It'd be fun to read. You gave an example, he simply modified to fit better. No quantifications. Common sense. Use it.
You already can't understand physics and have shown yourself to be a fanboy.
Yes, you demonstrated your extra-ordinary grip on.. fifth grade physics, at least:
A hit being arguable faster doesn't mean it's stronger.
Do write a paper on that. People will be delighted to know how newton was wrong.
Anyway, Name-calling is clear enough a sign that you have no argument remaining or any credibility left to loose. No point in going any further, Have a nice day.
To sum it up, neo slaughters clark, at least till he gets his second movie.
1. It really does.
That's not a simple point. That's like saying the simple point is Clark is fast enough to shoot heat vision and Neo isn't. Speed doesn't have anything to do with it and we know that based on the physics involved. I deal with planes for part of my job, and that's kind of basic stuff. If the drag pulled things like that then there'd be serious problems with air travel.
Simple enough. the only alternate explaination you can provide is.. a) the cars were flying on their own. b) neo has a new and completely unexplained power to cause several dozens of cars to fly unconsciously.
2. It doesn't have the same weight, that's exactly the point.
Proof?
Speed alone isn't enough. Neo is far weaker than Superman so claiming he hits harder because he might move a little faster just doesn't work.
Pointing out that attacks are far weaker and thus not on nearly the same level is a very rational point. Not sure why you don't understand that point.
First off he doesn't fight far faster, and secondly faster doesn't mean stronger. Dear lord what don't you get about that? 100 tons moving 100 mph is going to be far harder hit than .1 tons moving 150 mph. You keep relying on the speed as if it's the only thing in the universe that could ever matter; even though it's not and I don't agree that Neo is far faster.
Unless you can post proof that superman far more than neo, the point is useless. Give me one single statement or anything from the movie that implies superman weighs more than a human his size. Completely and utterly made up nonsense.
So your common sense says that Neo is over a million times faster than Superman? Pure and utter bullshit. You're a liar if you try and say it's a better comparison and you know it.
Your example says superman is aquaman. Common sense?
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That cute; but the problem with insulting me on physics is you still don't understand it, so if it's simple physics then you make yourself look even worse.
No, they wouldn't. The average person knows enough that force also relies on mass; you're one of the few people out there who apparently doesn't understand that.
And superman's mass being higher than a human being was given where? Give proof, or concede.
Also you might not want to use that name-calling thing since, you know, you relied on that to ignore the point that the hits Neo took at first in the final fight were far weaker and not comparable to the later hit. It just makes you look even worse.
I don't ignore points that have any sense in them. Neo fights faster, he isn't lighter than any average person, ergo he hits harder. Game over.
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