#1 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

Who is the true aspect, abstract, concept of death, emptiness, void in DC?

#2 Edited by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

death of the endless is in every aspect death nekron is just a guy who likes bringing death

#3 Posted by Dredeuced (5720 posts) - - Show Bio

Death doesn't really have any feats, to be honest, but what's Nekron going to do to her? Kill her? ha!

Also Death of the Endless isn't emptiness or void. She's actually quite cheerful and symbolizes birth and life, as well.

#4 Posted by Dextersinister (6351 posts) - - Show Bio

As of now technically there the same person but viewed in a different way. Nekron is death as an enemy, Endless Death as a release.

Neil Gaiman don't like that.

#5 Posted by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

death of the endless is in every aspect death nekron is just a guy who likes bringing death

#6 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister: I think as of now Death is Death of the Vertigo Universe and Nekron is Death and Void of the DC Multiverse.

#7 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Edited by NeonGameWave (7992 posts) - - Show Bio

Death of the Endless is the be all and end all as viewed across the entire universe within the Vertigo/DC universe, she has been around for a very long time even before time began. Nekron on the other hand is more so the avatar and ambassador of death who oversees the deaths of many as his love for death carries him through to that of his duty.

#9 Edited by Dextersinister (6351 posts) - - Show Bio

@dextersinister: I think as of now Death is Death of the Vertigo Universe and Nekron is Death and Void of the DC Multiverse.

Vertigo and DC where never separate, there just wasn't much interaction between the characters but the league had made referenced in early sandman.

The endless are as powerful as they are because countless trillions across the universe believe in them as a concept but not everyone views it in the same way.

#10 Posted by Wyldsong (5679 posts) - - Show Bio

@admiralnakbar said:

@dextersinister: I think as of now Death is Death of the Vertigo Universe and Nekron is Death and Void of the DC Multiverse.

Vertigo and DC where never separate, there just wasn't much interaction between the characters but the league had made referenced in early sandman.

The endless are as powerful as they are because countless trillions across the universe believe in them as a concept but not everyone views it in the same way.

To possibly further cement this point, didn't Death of the Endless show up in a mainstream book and have a discussion or scene with Lex Luthor at some point?

#11 Edited by Dextersinister (6351 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong: This is true. When he went on a quest for the life entity which was Nekrons opposite, probably the same thing as the endless but they couldn't have an endless in the Sandman series for every popular concept or there would be hundreds of them.

#12 Posted by dondave (38505 posts) - - Show Bio

@wyldsong: She appeared in Action Comics when Luther stopped Death from happening

#13 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave: But I think right now the universes are separate as many say and that the presence of vertigo is not the same as the presence of dc and the dc one is more powerful of the 2.

#14 Posted by dondave (38505 posts) - - Show Bio
#15 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: But from now how I see it souls usually go to Nekron first but in Blackest Night he had a large craving for souls so he went out of his dimension to take in as many souls as he can for himself and from this standpoint it would have the life entity make a finite number of souls which makes sense logically.

#16 Edited by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@admiralnakbar: a lot of people in the comic world can steal souls even thor a "good guy" can rob someones soul if he wanted too death of the endless is in every shape and form death personified nekron is just the lord of the undead(zombies) and if nekron took on the power of the life entity he would get blinked out of existence

#17 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: But he did almost kill the life entity he got bfr'd due to his tether black hand and the fact that he cannot exist in the mainstream universe because the Presence I believe doesn't let him to do so just like in Marvel Oblivion is not allowed to eat Eternity till his time has come so Blackest Night was done because Nekron and was an evil act because it was against the Presences will but at the same time Nekron used a loop hole to gain entrance into the main universe.

#18 Edited by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: But he did almost kill the life entity he got bfr'd due to his tether black hand and the fact that he cannot exist in the mainstream universe because the Presence I believe doesn't let him to do so just like in Marvel Oblivion is not allowed to eat Eternity till his time has come so Blackest Night was done because Nekron and was an evil act because it was against the Presences will but at the same time Nekron used a loop hole to gain entrance into the main universe.

he was just in another dimension...and yea he was beating on the life entity but if you look at the life entity it is in the shape of a baby in the fetal position so what was it supposed to do? once the entity gave sinestro its power sinestro and the while lanterns destroyed nekron and everyone else who was zombiefied...so yea death of the endless is the personification of death i really can't believe someone is arguing with me about this...

#19 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7040 posts) - - Show Bio

Death the Endless stomps.

#20 Edited by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: Nekron was not destroyed on Blackest night, only sent to his dimension.

#21 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@admiralnakbar: all im trying to say is death of endless is DC's death i could care less about discussing blackest night

#22 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: So you don't find Blackest Night fitting to DC canon and Neil Gaiman is better than Geoff Johns.

#23 Posted by JediXMan (30939 posts) - - Show Bio

Death of the Endless.

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#24 Posted by JediXMan (30939 posts) - - Show Bio

@kingjames447: So you don't find Blackest Night fitting to DC canon and Neil Gaiman is better than Geoff Johns.

These two comments have nothing to do with each other: one is fact, the other is opinion.

And yes, Gaiman is clearly better than Johns.

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#25 Edited by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: So do you say Nekron bfr'ing an awaken Anti Monitor is PIS?

#26 Posted by JediXMan (30939 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: So do you say Nekron bfr'ing an awaken Anti Monitor is PIS?

Anti-Monitor was an incredibly pale shadow of his former self*

*And by "former self," I mean the already weak version we saw in Sinestro Corps War, who was also a pale shadow of the AM we saw in CoIE.

Just how it is. So essentially, no, I don't put much stock in Anti-Monitor from Blackest Night, or even Sinestro Corps War; both are lower than Death of the Endless. The only version of AM who could potentially kill or harm Death is CoIE AM, which this is not. AM was only that powerful once, and he wasn't even that powerful by the end of CoIE.

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#27 Posted by Shavo (2061 posts) - - Show Bio

@admiralnakbar: if you wanna argue about darkest nights start a new thread i proved my point about death of the endless so yea...

#28 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: Could it be Anti Monitor is an abstract type being that doesn't die the same way a regular individual would which is why Death had no claim over his soul which is why he kept on coming back even after being destroyed many times and he is tethered to his Anti-matter universe.

#29 Edited by JediXMan (30939 posts) - - Show Bio

Who is the true aspect, abstract, concept of death, emptiness, void in DC?

Wait, this is the question? Not who would win in a fight?

Oh, in that case, the answer is clearly Death of the Endless. And this is clearly not a battle.

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#30 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: Well its both in this case I wanted to see who actually holds these titles.

#31 Edited by JediXMan (30939 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: Could it be Anti Monitor is an abstract type being that doesn't die the same way a regular individual would which is why Death had no claim over his soul which is why he kept on coming back even after being destroyed many times and he is tethered to his Anti-matter universe.

It had nothing to do with the fact that Death "had no claim" on him. His essence simply wandered; this is true for many beings in DC. There's no reason to believe that Death never had a claim on him at all.

Also, Death will always be the final destroyer. If memory serves, it was stated that Death is multiversal and not restricted to just DC. Therefore, Anti-Monitor can destroy all the universes he wants; Death will linger on.

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#32 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: DC should revive the awesomeness of the Anti Monitor and this time he will go on to taking on all the gates of Hell and the last comic will have him assaulting on the Silver City.

#33 Posted by Evil Incarnate (3922 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman:@admiralnakbar:

IIRC isn't she limited in the fact that she can't claim beings such as Lucifer Morningstar? If yes then the question becomes are either Nekron or the Anti-Monitor on Lucifer's level.

#34 Edited by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@evil_incarnate: I have to say now Death of the endless wins because she is multiversal an can go to different universes with ease while Nekron is bound to his own and what he did in Blackest Night was against his bounds.

#35 Posted by AdmiralNAkbar (195 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: So since Death is a multiversal being, to wipe her out Anti Monitor would have to destroy all of DC reality which he failed to do, but if she were to be a universal being with copies of her in every universe, then the Anti Monitor would have killed a multitude of Deaths which is also not the case.

#36 Posted by russellmania77 (15672 posts) - - Show Bio

reyi wont row

#37 Posted by whydama2 (11 posts) - - Show Bio

Endless Death is the true abstract.

What if Darkseid and Endless Death got together and tried to fight Thanos and Death in a dance battle?

#38 Posted by BatManuel (32 posts) - - Show Bio

Nekron is semi-death while death of the endless is uber death.Like how Lucy over Mephisto.

#39 Posted by Primebonnick (2522 posts) - - Show Bio

nekron works for death he is not beating the big boss.

#40 Posted by Etheral_Dreams (1722 posts) - - Show Bio

Death wins.