Who is the true aspect, abstract, concept of death, emptiness, void in DC?
Nekron vs Death of the Endless
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As of now technically there the same person but viewed in a different way. Nekron is death as an enemy, Endless Death as a release.
Neil Gaiman don't like that.
death of the endless is in every aspect death nekron is just a guy who likes bringing death
@dextersinister: I think as of now Death is Death of the Vertigo Universe and Nekron is Death and Void of the DC Multiverse.
@admiralnakbar: death of the endless is from DC...
Death of the Endless is the be all and end all as viewed across the entire universe within the Vertigo/DC universe, she has been around for a very long time even before time began. Nekron on the other hand is more so the avatar and ambassador of death who oversees the deaths of many as his love for death carries him through to that of his duty.
@dextersinister: I think as of now Death is Death of the Vertigo Universe and Nekron is Death and Void of the DC Multiverse.
Vertigo and DC where never separate, there just wasn't much interaction between the characters but the league had made referenced in early sandman.
The endless are as powerful as they are because countless trillions across the universe believe in them as a concept but not everyone views it in the same way.
@dextersinister: I think as of now Death is Death of the Vertigo Universe and Nekron is Death and Void of the DC Multiverse.
Vertigo and DC where never separate, there just wasn't much interaction between the characters but the league had made referenced in early sandman.
The endless are as powerful as they are because countless trillions across the universe believe in them as a concept but not everyone views it in the same way.
To possibly further cement this point, didn't Death of the Endless show up in a mainstream book and have a discussion or scene with Lex Luthor at some point?
@wyldsong: This is true. When he went on a quest for the life entity which was Nekrons opposite, probably the same thing as the endless but they couldn't have an endless in the Sandman series for every popular concept or there would be hundreds of them.
@dondave: But I think right now the universes are separate as many say and that the presence of vertigo is not the same as the presence of dc and the dc one is more powerful of the 2.
@admiralnakbar: I've never heard of that before
@kingjames447: But from now how I see it souls usually go to Nekron first but in Blackest Night he had a large craving for souls so he went out of his dimension to take in as many souls as he can for himself and from this standpoint it would have the life entity make a finite number of souls which makes sense logically.
@admiralnakbar: a lot of people in the comic world can steal souls even thor a "good guy" can rob someones soul if he wanted too death of the endless is in every shape and form death personified nekron is just the lord of the undead(zombies) and if nekron took on the power of the life entity he would get blinked out of existence
@kingjames447: But he did almost kill the life entity he got bfr'd due to his tether black hand and the fact that he cannot exist in the mainstream universe because the Presence I believe doesn't let him to do so just like in Marvel Oblivion is not allowed to eat Eternity till his time has come so Blackest Night was done because Nekron and was an evil act because it was against the Presences will but at the same time Nekron used a loop hole to gain entrance into the main universe.
@kingjames447: But he did almost kill the life entity he got bfr'd due to his tether black hand and the fact that he cannot exist in the mainstream universe because the Presence I believe doesn't let him to do so just like in Marvel Oblivion is not allowed to eat Eternity till his time has come so Blackest Night was done because Nekron and was an evil act because it was against the Presences will but at the same time Nekron used a loop hole to gain entrance into the main universe.
he was just in another dimension...and yea he was beating on the life entity but if you look at the life entity it is in the shape of a baby in the fetal position so what was it supposed to do? once the entity gave sinestro its power sinestro and the while lanterns destroyed nekron and everyone else who was zombiefied...so yea death of the endless is the personification of death i really can't believe someone is arguing with me about this...
@kingjames447: Nekron was not destroyed on Blackest night, only sent to his dimension.
@admiralnakbar: all im trying to say is death of endless is DC's death i could care less about discussing blackest night
@kingjames447: So you don't find Blackest Night fitting to DC canon and Neil Gaiman is better than Geoff Johns.
@kingjames447: So you don't find Blackest Night fitting to DC canon and Neil Gaiman is better than Geoff Johns.
These two comments have nothing to do with each other: one is fact, the other is opinion.
And yes, Gaiman is clearly better than Johns.
@jedixman: So do you say Nekron bfr'ing an awaken Anti Monitor is PIS?
@jedixman: So do you say Nekron bfr'ing an awaken Anti Monitor is PIS?
Anti-Monitor was an incredibly pale shadow of his former self*
*And by "former self," I mean the already weak version we saw in Sinestro Corps War, who was also a pale shadow of the AM we saw in CoIE.
Just how it is. So essentially, no, I don't put much stock in Anti-Monitor from Blackest Night, or even Sinestro Corps War; both are lower than Death of the Endless. The only version of AM who could potentially kill or harm Death is CoIE AM, which this is not. AM was only that powerful once, and he wasn't even that powerful by the end of CoIE.
@admiralnakbar: if you wanna argue about darkest nights start a new thread i proved my point about death of the endless so yea...
@jedixman: Could it be Anti Monitor is an abstract type being that doesn't die the same way a regular individual would which is why Death had no claim over his soul which is why he kept on coming back even after being destroyed many times and he is tethered to his Anti-matter universe.
Who is the true aspect, abstract, concept of death, emptiness, void in DC?
Wait, this is the question? Not who would win in a fight?
Oh, in that case, the answer is clearly Death of the Endless. And this is clearly not a battle.
@jedixman: Well its both in this case I wanted to see who actually holds these titles.
@jedixman: Could it be Anti Monitor is an abstract type being that doesn't die the same way a regular individual would which is why Death had no claim over his soul which is why he kept on coming back even after being destroyed many times and he is tethered to his Anti-matter universe.
It had nothing to do with the fact that Death "had no claim" on him. His essence simply wandered; this is true for many beings in DC. There's no reason to believe that Death never had a claim on him at all.
Also, Death will always be the final destroyer. If memory serves, it was stated that Death is multiversal and not restricted to just DC. Therefore, Anti-Monitor can destroy all the universes he wants; Death will linger on.
@jedixman: DC should revive the awesomeness of the Anti Monitor and this time he will go on to taking on all the gates of Hell and the last comic will have him assaulting on the Silver City.
IIRC isn't she limited in the fact that she can't claim beings such as Lucifer Morningstar? If yes then the question becomes are either Nekron or the Anti-Monitor on Lucifer's level.
@evil_incarnate: I have to say now Death of the endless wins because she is multiversal an can go to different universes with ease while Nekron is bound to his own and what he did in Blackest Night was against his bounds.
@jedixman: So since Death is a multiversal being, to wipe her out Anti Monitor would have to destroy all of DC reality which he failed to do, but if she were to be a universal being with copies of her in every universe, then the Anti Monitor would have killed a multitude of Deaths which is also not the case.
Nekron is at best just a small aspect of Death. At worst, he is just a demon who think's he's greater than what he is.
Think Paul Cornell actually elaborated on the relationship between Death and Nekron/Blackest Night, when he had Luthor encounter Death during his Action Comics stint. I believe Death simply brushed the notion of Nekron off as yet another entity/godling that claimed to 'be' her.
Morphy.
Morphy?
@outside_85: Whoops. Meant Deathy. Thanks for catching that.
@morningdawn12: I love that one. Everyone in the universe in crisis mode, Martian Manhunter and the likes coming back to life, the Phantom Stranger getting involved and the Spectre getting attacked and almost beaten and turned into a black lantern permanently.
"Oh yeah, I noticed that."
@van_cere: Yeah,Death doesn't care because in the end Death will claim them
and I think Luthor correctly guessed what The Presence looks like
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