nate grey(full power) vs dark phoenix

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#1  Edited By spekqj

If nate grey handle his full power, can he win against dark phoenix?

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#2  Edited By SeSAW

this is one hell of a match but id say dark phoenix

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#3  Edited By spekqj
SeSAW said:
"this is one hell of a match but id say dark phoenix"

Can you explain why dark phoenix win?
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#4  Edited By SeSAW

She's more powerful as an avitar of the Phoenix Force. Nate Grey would not have the power he has if not for her.

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#5  Edited By spekqj
SeSAW said:
"She's more powerful as an avitar of the Phoenix Force. Nate Grey would not have the power he has if not for her."

It’s the scan that compares identical reading of Nates power to the Dark Phoenix.

He is as powerful as the dark phoenix.


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#6  Edited By Korg

X-Man at the height of his understanding and mastery of his powers would take this. He would just unplug Jean.

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#7  Edited By Perfect Cell
Korg said:
"X-Man at the height of his understanding and mastery of his powers would take this. He would just unplug Jean."

Jean but not the Pheonix Force itself.
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#8  Edited By Perfect Cell

Who's stronger? X-Man at full power or Stryfe at full power??

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#9  Edited By King_Saturn
I think X-Man at full power should win here
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#10  Edited By Korg
Perfect Cell said:
"Who's stronger? X-Man at full power or Stryfe at full power??"
They are essentially the same person with the same power set. I'd say X-Man because Stryfe's body must be wearing out from using his powers. This is something that Cable mentions as happening to him at full power, as well as X-Man. Stryfe never seemed the worse for wear to me, but that might just be because they didn't figure they had to put a cap on his abilities yet. X-Man probably has more raw power, but Stryfe has more experience and finesse with said powers.
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#11  Edited By SeSAW
Perfect Cell said: 
"Who's stronger? X-Man at full power or Stryfe at full power??"
Xman is more powerful than Stryfe
X man anit stronger than Dark Phoenix even at his most powerful level, he never came close to feats she achieved and he still lost to the Surfer, Surfer toyed with him at first but when he got serious Surfer beat him.
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I remember that Nate give all his energy to everyone on the planet so that they'd be safe from Aliens. I'd trust Nate with that much power more then Dark Phoenix. Phoenix would probably drain everything, to heck with us little mortals…

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#13  Edited By Erik

I would think that Dark Phoenix could just drain X-Man's energy right?

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#14  Edited By Korg

More likely the Phoenix would body-hop into X-Man. Either way, he wins, IMO.

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#15  Edited By SeSAW

You remember it was Dark Phoenix that challenged Galactus don't you.

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#16  Edited By Perfect Cell
SeSAW said:
"You remember it was Dark Phoenix that challenged Galactus don't you."

Dark Phoenix is alot more powerful than Galactus. (Fully Fed)

It's Jean Grey that keeps the entity from using it's potentiel to the fullest.
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#17  Edited By Perfect Cell
Korg said:
"More likely the Phoenix would body-hop into X-Man. Either way, he wins, IMO."

IMO, he wins over Jean Grey; He would probably be a better host for the Phoenix anyway, But X-Man could not beat the Phoenix as an Entity (no Jean Grey Allowed)
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#18  Edited By Korg

Obviously not. But that wasn't the battle. The Phoenix requires a host to be "Dark".

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#19  Edited By Perfect Cell

Then it's probably a 50/50 or 40/60.

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#20  Edited By cracks

Maybe Dark Phoenix. Close battle though.

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#21  Edited By WeaponX510

X-Man is capable of wining but i gotta say tie this is tough

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#22  Edited By cracks
@WeaponX510: I think that Dark Phoenix has more skill and experience than X-Man. I don't know how their raw power compare. 
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#23  Edited By MKF30

Dark Phoenix

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#25  Edited By Red_Blade

Nate

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#26  Edited By spekqj

Dark Phoenix
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i think mama's gonna give her son some good old spanking.. lol
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#28  Edited By BMEZY
@cracks
when did X Man have the virtually limitless power of unborn souls in the entire multiverse?? i'd say she trumps him in raw power... question though. how can he defeat the very source of all his power?? or his very existence for that matter?? 
 
i just had to bump it tehehehe
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#29  Edited By BarelyAverage

Dark Phoenix but I can see X-man winning.
 
Oh and Stryfe beats X-man because he is coolder.

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The Phoenix would win. That scan is flawed. Jean at the height of her power as the Dark Phoenix was weaker than her appearance during New X-Men because she had incomplete control and understanding of her powers at the point of time in which she wore that costume. She has the ability to push past this limit to achieve new levels of power, which is why even during her initial run her power levels were constantly increasing whereas Nate's potential is set at a lower level.

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#31  Edited By sa5m

The Dark Phoenix =)

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#32  Edited By progenitorigin

Close call, but I gotta go with a full powered X-Man.
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#33  Edited By karrob

Im with Nate

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#34  Edited By BMEZY

are you all calling it a tie because of that one scan?? has x man ever shown to be on the power output that any phoenix avatar has shown?? no can he tap into virtually limitless power, no; hell dark phoenix was said by the watcher to be only second to the creator "the living tribunal", and she would live to be god, does that make it true?? heck no.. i don't think they are equal, which nothing but that one scan, which is probably flawed for the simple fact that nate has never been shown to be able to do anyting that any pheonix user could do.. so if DP was is only second to that of the creator (which isn't true) and nate is supposedly equal to her, then i guess he is too.. you guys are getting to hype of this one scan, which his actual feats don't even back up
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#35  Edited By doomsummers
@BMEZY: what issue was that?
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@SeSAW said:
this is one hell of a match but id say dark phoenix
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#37  Edited By BMEZY


 

this is what i'm talking about... just because something is mentioned one time in one scan ppl want to go and run with it.. prime example.. DP was said to be second to the creator, and could easily destroy destroy the universe... does it make it true NOO because her feats don't exactly back up this statement it's hyperbole... same thing as x man being equal to DP i say it's hyperbole... he hasn't even shown things that even rachel with a fraction of the phoenix force is shown to do...

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@korg: yeah im sure not i dont care what the writers say he cant consume a star

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Dark Phoenix

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#43 mr_ingenuity  Moderator

Jean destroys Nate.

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Personally I think they stalemate

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Wow, old thread. Dark Phoenix wins.

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Theoretically, they should be about the same power levels, but I feel like DP would have a better grasp/more experience in using those powers.

Dark Phoenix.