Naruto VS Iron Man

@princearagorn1: If naruto got stabbed by a knife would he die all the anime and manga goes to yes. Now is replusor greater than knife yes. So what does that mean because repulsor arn't chakra based naruto couldn't block or tank them like a knife or a gun?

@princearagorn1: If naruto got stabbed by a knife would he die all the anime and manga goes to yes. Now is replusor greater than knife yes. So what does that mean because repulsor arn't chakra based naruto couldn't block or tank them like a knife or a gun? Naruto characters have no durability feats accept for tanking large chakra explosions which is something they can block. Its why the likes of hulk or superman could probably 1 hit naruto. He has no durability at all also how the fuck are naruto and sasuke taking out a flying enemy at hypersonic speeds they can't fly? Also mach ten was just a example didn't he fly form NYC to latveria in like 10 seconds . Also if tonys flying how are naruto and sasuke going to touch him he flies like 1000+ feet up and just fires missles. There long range attacks could be dodged by like 90% of people since they have a significant charge up. The way i see it is tony can fly around shooting them and if they get hit a few times they go down. Were as they have no way of hitting tony while hes in flight.

@princearagorn1: If naruto got stabbed by a knife would he die all the anime and manga goes to yes. Now is replusor greater than knife yes. So what does that mean because repulsor arn't chakra based naruto couldn't block or tank them like a knife or a gun? Naruto characters have no durability feats accept for tanking large chakra explosions which is something they can block. Its why the likes of hulk or superman could probably 1 hit naruto. He has no durability at all also how the fuck are naruto and sasuke taking out a flying enemy at hypersonic speeds they can't fly? Also mach ten was just a example didn't he fly form NYC to latveria in like 10 seconds . Also if tonys flying how are naruto and sasuke going to touch him he flies like 1000+ feet up and just fires missles. There long range attacks could be dodged by like 90% of people since they have a significant charge up. The way i see it is tony can fly around shooting them and if they get hit a few times they go down. Were as they have no way of hitting tony while hes in flight.

@princearagorn1: If naruto got stabbed by a knife would he die all the anime and manga goes to yes. Now is replusor greater than knife yes. So what does that mean because repulsor arn't chakra based naruto couldn't block or tank them like a knife or a gun? Naruto characters have no durability feats accept for tanking large chakra explosions which is something they can block. Its why the likes of hulk or superman could probably 1 hit naruto. He has no durability at all also how the fuck are naruto and sasuke taking out a flying enemy at hypersonic speeds they can't fly? Also mach ten was just a example didn't he fly form NYC to latveria in like 10 seconds . Also if tonys flying how are naruto and sasuke going to touch him he flies like 1000+ feet up and just fires missles. There long range attacks could be dodged by like 90% of people since they have a significant charge up. The way i see it is tony can fly around shooting them and if they get hit a few times they go down. Were as they have no way of hitting tony while hes in flight.

All the people thay vote for Naruto have no idea how overpowered Bleeding Edge Iron Man is. I have read both, so there is nothing Naruto can do, that Iron Man hasn't tanked.

@princearagorn1: Excellent debating, as usual. :)

@hulkage: Oh i know he will never touch Naruto... I just said the dude is right.. a kunai in the head kills naruto... and Thor and Superman... you just need to shove it in somehow.

Tony.

@etheral_dreams: I am pretty sure They would die if something penetrated their brains...

@noone301994:

I just wanted to first say, sorry for not responding for a week. I had 4 tests to study for that were each a day apart... Anyway I'm back now.

Hm. He's closing the gap with the she hulk scan like madara after all the 'unpredictable movements', so that scan pretty much ends with a sword through his heart. In the other four scans, he's trying to avoid incoming missiles and stuff. He's not going to do it when sasuke's is not attacking him like that - not that flying like that will make any difference naruto's attack methods

The reason he closed the gap with She-Hulk was because he wasn't trying to kill her because of his morals and the fact that she's his friend. He just wanted to take her out (the same way he did in the past) so he was trying to punch her and KO her. In this scenario his morals wouldn't exactly be getting in the way here... Sasuke would have a really hard time teleporting a sword into Stark's chest when he's moving so unpredictably. This same argument holds up against the Invisible Woman not being able to expand force-fields within unpredictably fast people. I was just providing an example of how Iron Man would possibly evade Sasuke's teleportation technique, I never said anything about Naruto.

Well, one could, but it wouldn't change anything. It's a basic property of human path's soulrip, which something which naruto knew how to resist.. Tony doesn't have anything against soulrip, he's not faring any better.

Actually I'm pretty sure it does matter. By using that scan you were illustrating how fast and easy it is for people, "without soul ripping resistance," fared against Ningendou but that very same person couldn't possibly have shown resistance in the first place. He was unconscious and brain-dead. So that doesn't prove that it'd be as quick and efficient as you're trying to argue. Also, there is no evidence to suggest that the only reason Naruto knew to grab and pull his soul back was because it reminded him of when he was fighting Kurama. He saw a spiritual essence coming out of himself and felt a strange feeling so he put two and two together and he realized his soul was possibly being pulled out. Something Tony (with his super-genius intellect) would be able to realize too (assuming the soul rip can even work on someone so heavily and thickly armored).

Hm. It seems it has been a while since you read the tag. Kushina helped him out by holding they kyubi down, but he still finished the tug of war himself.

This isn't what I was referring to. You are claiming that he has soul ripping resistance because of the battle in his mind; however, the only time in that entire scenario where Naruto's soul was ever at risk of being taken was when he initially tried to pull Kurama's chakra out and then Kurama's evil will began consuming Naruto; i.e. he attempted to steal Naruto's soul. The only reason that Naruto's soul wasn't stolen from Kurama was because his mom saved him right before Kurama completely took over Naruto's soul and body.

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This is what I was referring to (sorry it's not in English this is the best I could do). As you can see, when Naruto attempts to take Kurama's chakra/soul Naruto becomes infected and as a result his soul starts to get pulled AWAY from his body. All I'm saying is that the only reason he was able to resist this soul steal was because his mom dispelled it.

Equally importantly, Just because he was helped during the training doesn't mean he didn't learn anything from it - especially when we know he did. I'm pretty sure saying he learned resisting soulrip, when he has gone through similar process before, and the same process was outright mentioned by bee to help him resisting the soulrip is far, far more sensible than saying 'oh, tony is a genius, he'll learn to resist soulrip in the fight'.

That's just it though. The only 'soul ripping resistance' that occurred on Naruto's part was when Kurama was possessing him and his mother saved him. When Naruto fought Nagato he had no clue what was happening with the soul being pulled out. What he did in that case was on-the-spot improvising (since he was unaware of Nagato's Human path). Something Tony could also do.

There's whole lot of difference between a wall and a worn armor. Though honestly it's in the speculation area..

Depends on how thick the wall is. I mean if someone was buried under rocks would the soul rip work there too? It hasn't shown to work on anything thicker than shirts. But you're right this definitely is in the speculation area.

Great theory, but the only problem is, the manga says that chakra was given to connect people.. Before we enter any of those, what exactly, and why are we discussing with this point? What you were trying to use it to say is genjutsu requires chakra network, which is already proven false - nor is there even one instance supporting it..

The point is... If animal summons have shown to use chakra then that discredits the whole "chakra was used to connect people only" bit you got going on. Which further supports my theory about every living being having some form of a chakra network. If that wasn't the case then how can you explain certain summons being able to use chakra? I think that every living being has a network but you have to train in order to use it. The point of all of this is that if every living organism in the Narutoverse has a chakra network then it explains why the infinite tsukuyomi worked on them and that it doesn't guarantee it'd work on anything outside of the Narutoverse without a network.

There's various degrees to which spider sense has been used, if you want I can list some of the times. Also: Stuff like dodge webbings and react to people coming from behind? Neither of the scans mention, or need precog at all. 0_0 I don't recall iron man ever being able to incorporate the precognition in a fight with this kind of expertise:

Well his webs have been compared to the speed of bullets and dodging from behind can be helpful. I admit that Naruto's sage mode and Sasuke's Sharingan are probably a bit more helpful precognition than a Spider-sense ability might be but it'd obviously still prove useful for sensing and evading incoming and disastrous attacks (might even be a good ability to have in order to counter Sasuke's teleportation).

The 'assumption'? How is something that was stated, and directly mentioned in the backstory an 'assumption'? It is one of the listed characteristics of the clan that they can survive in harsh conditions, even the moon; hamura and family went to the moon before the barrier came in, and it's still 'speculation at it's finest' that someone who literally came from space can survive in space? seriously? Either way, by the time the gases diffuse into the atmosphere, it's GG for tony.

I know that they're from outer space... The assumption is saying, "Oh they're aliens so they can survive in any harsh environment. Especially ones with toxic gases so his gas attack will be useless." Not all aliens can survive in harsh habitats just because they're not from Earth.

lol. The difference being, sasuke mastered susano several hundred chapters ago. It covers him fully, and a lot more than that by now. Same goes for naruto. Should I post the scans?

I don't see how that'd make a difference. Iron Man's scans can see through the Susano'o and Kurama cloaks (via infrared scanning) and have his scanners target their actual human bodies. Should I post the scans?

And I understand the point behind the scan, but which physiological defect did you think tony was going to find? They're not sentry, but It's not like they're weak against something - say.. scanning ben 10's ghostfreak will give him 'weakness to light' - the scan pretty much says he can't find a weakness when there isn't anything to look for. Which physiological defect are you saying he'll use?

I'm saying that if he scans their bodies and he sees that their ears, lungs, etc. aren't super-humanly durable (like the Sentry's body parts were) then he'd know which to target. For example, technically Sasuke has a weakness to sounds. His scanners would alert him that his ears are not as durable as the rest of his body.

Kcm naruto doesn't use a bijuu bomb to begin with. He tried to make it using rasengan as basic, but failed.

Didn't he use it as a rasengan successfully against Obito? Or did this not happen in the manga? I can't remember.

And I presume you meant to say 6 tailed bijuu blast << Bijuu mode here, because you're contradicting yourself with that..

Lol you're right. My mistake. Sorry haha.

You understand 'it really doesn't do much to chibaku tensei' is my point, you're trying to argue against it? lol. The six tail bijuu bomb still far outclasses the strongest nukes, and well, everything iron man can dish out power wise. Even incomplete, it was comparable to the size of konoha crater, granted smaller, and vaporized massive amount of rock like nothing.

Oh right I forgot about that. Iron Man doesn't need to summon explosions that have the capacity and range to shatter mountains... All he needs to do is shoot a small beam (big enough for him to crawl through). He doesn't need to tear the Chibaku Tensei in half with country leveling blasts. He doesn't need to do that to harm Naruto either. Remember that scan I posted of Iron Man's uni-beam burning Graviton at temperatures hotter than the surface of the sun? That beam size wasn't country level and yet I'm pretty certain that it'd melt Naruto or Sasuke because they haven't come across anything that hot before.

To further elaborate my point, allow me to post a scan of Iron Man easily one-shotting a Thor villain that also had "mountain busting durability."

So again, just because someone can tank mountain range sized explosions it doesn't necessarily mean that anything smaller in size will be insignificant.

The core: The core attracts things towards it, make it hard to get out. You can either see the manga page where four tails is stuck in place, or the anime makes it clearer to grasp. The suit can adapt, but it doesn't mean it can automatically adapt to gravitation powerful enough to rip out a chunk larger than entire mountain ranges.. we've already seen his adaptation isn't limitless, nor has it shown to be capable of working at this level.

Iron Man created this countermeasure to specifically counteract Graviton's powers so I don't think it'll be a problem.

Just to be clear, the logic in the timeframe you're trying to use says iron man flies so fast that the collective, who kept up with sentry, and beat both of them before is not even able to keep up as he flies?

How do you know Sentry wasn't holding back or even going his full speed when fighting the Collective?

Why would I ask for proof for mach 45-46? Permission granted to use it, lol - That kind of speed is pretty useless here..To put things in perpective, a mach 50-ish person will need over a minute to do half of what toneri's GWR sword did in seconds.. and the next time he uses it, when he extends it towards naruto, he sees it, runs forward and stops it with his hand ... Again reminding you he had kyubi fighting a different fight, and didn't need ashura cloak to perform at those levels.

I said that mach 45-46 was his best QUANTIFIABLE speed feat. His best UN-QUANTIFIABLE speed feat would probably be flying to the sun in a couple of panels or flying past Earth. Both outclassing anything Naruto has done in the speed department.

What are you even talking about? Composite versions? we're only using the canon version. The OP says EoS naruto. The last takes place in the time skip before EoS, Composite version would include fillers and non-canon movies. Basically, the manga ends at 700 chapters, 'the last' is officially designated chapter 699.5: Just to be clear, the anime videos you used would be included in composite version, not the main-canon-only version.

The OP specifically said, in response to someone confused about which version of Naruto was being used, "Indeed, this is Sage Naruto. Not adult Naruto." Post number 50. Naruto was an adult in that movie. Unless the OP changes his mind then I don't think those feats are applicable for this specific scenario.

That's.. the point of being supersonic. you don't need to avoid it. Ironman using sonics while fighting supersonic doesn't make any sense at all. They'd practically outrace the sound as they fight.

If it's an ever expanding sound based attack it will hit their ears eventually if they stay within the vicinity of the burst... Unless Naruto outruns the sound (which he can) and stays away from the origin (Iron Man) he will get hit. If he goes anywhere near Iron Man he will still be within the range of the sound and it will effect him. It doesn't matter if he's moving faster than sound within the sonic perimeter. It's not like he can't hear anything when he's moving that fast.

A person using anti-hulk tech putting down hulk, a hulk who's explicitly holding back so that he can be put down at that doesn't say anything about it's power. When we know tony can't do much to wwh, much less wbh with just power - he has to resort to somehow interfering with the gamma radiation, channeling/using that as a strike is not going to help him here.

The SPIN tech was built to take out the Hulk but that doesn't mean it doesn't work on anyone other than the Hulk.

His gadgets can still work on others even if they were designed for someone else.

Okay, you're right. The satellite laser probably wouldn't work well as an offensive weapon against Naruto or Sasuke but he could still use them to amp his power like he did in AvX:

This doesn't even have to be used as an offensive weapon. He can call the satellite's power if he ever runs low on batteries.

@noone301994: Best argument so far.