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#1 Edited by Noone301994 (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

What if after Naruto, Killer Bee, and Itachi beat Edo Nagato Itachi decided to go after Madara instead of Kabuto? (http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/madara-uchiha-vs-itachi-and-sasuke-1483131/) Naruto and Killer Bee encounter Kabuto in the cave and Guy and Kakashi join them. All are in character. Kabuto can use dragon sage mode, Killer Bee has Samehada, Kakashi can use kamui but isn't as skilled with it as his fight with Obito, Naruto can go into Bijuu mode for only 5 minutes at a time.

Round 1: Fight to death, they can kill Kabuto and somehow the Edo tensei will be released

Round 2: Fight to incapacitate (For Team), they have to incapacitate Kabuto (not kill him) in order to stop the edo tensei.

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#2 Edited by thelocust619 (2247 posts) - - Show Bio

Wtf? Kabuto doesn't even have a chance. There's a reason that team went for madara and obito... and none of the heroes weild any genjutsu or high level external cancelation techniques so the only way they'd do it without killing him is plot device, as if the eight tailed beast remembered some secret technique or if they just knock kabuto around so hard he got so brain damaged he's basically a vegetable then naruto uses sage mode to sync or something n find the off switch within him....plot device.

#3 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

Kabuto stomps. None of them can hurt him. He has enhanced durability via Kimimaro's bones (which none of them have the fore to break) Dragon shout paralyzes them, Tayuya's genjutsu traps them, Manda 2.0 crushes them, Suigetsu's water body helps him take literally no damage and he also has Sakon/Ukon's powers and incredible speed at least as good as Naruto.

#4 Edited by paulson3lt (570 posts) - - Show Bio

Kabuto is sick. But still way too much for him to handle. I feel like Kakashi and Guy could take this

#5 Posted by Veravin (660 posts) - - Show Bio

team wins both round.

ALMOST ALL CHARACTERS ARE SMARTER THAN KABUTO THERE

  • killer bee transforms to the eight tails
  • naruto speed blitz kabuto and create multiple shadow clones(ALL DO GIANT RASENGAN)
  • kakashi uses kamui
  • guy opens one of the gate and speed blitz.
  • Naruto summons the giant toad and one of his clones enter sage mode

#6 Posted by Noone301994 (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

Wtf? Kabuto doesn't even have a chance. There's a reason that team went for madara and obito... and none of the heroes weild any genjutsu or high level external cancelation techniques so the only way they'd do it without killing him is plot device, as if the eight tailed beast remembered some secret technique or if they just knock kabuto around so hard he got so brain damaged he's basically a vegetable then naruto uses sage mode to sync or something n find the off switch within him....plot device.

Kakashi has the sharingan and could make Kabuto end the edo tensei with genjutsu so round 2 isn't a stomp for him. Its just a matter of can they catch him or incapacitate him in order for Kakashi to accomplish this task.

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#7 Edited by SpideyPresence (1906 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait.... What? I'm tempted to say Naruto or Killer Bee solos..

#8 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6177 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyone there can solo him.

#9 Posted by Marshall_Long (2035 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto or Bee could solo while Kakashi and Guy could probably take him out as a team.

#10 Edited by Noone301994 (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

Wait.... What? I'm tempted to say Naruto or Killer Bee solos..

Anyone there can solo him.

Naruto or Bee could solo while Kakashi and Guy could probably take him out as a team.

Yet an immortal Itachi with endless amounts of chakra and Sasuke with EMS couldn't even tag him and only won because of Izanagi. How on Earth would they solo him? Edo Itachi could most likely take on all 4 of them (Bee, Kakashi, Guy, Naruto) individually yet he couldn't beat Kabuto without sacrificing an eye using haxx.

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#11 Posted by ULTRAstarkiller (6177 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994: O Ya I forgot bout that......ehhh Kakashi can still solo. His chakra stamina increased greatly and he could Kamui Kabuto's head and he could teleport himself like he did when he fought Obito.

#12 Posted by sync1 (2967 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto people talk funny... lol.

Anyway team wins pretty easily. Unless i'm missing something....

#13 Posted by dondave (37447 posts) - - Show Bio

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#14 Edited by ferventking (259 posts) - - Show Bio

Kabuto stomps. None of them can hurt him. He has enhanced durability via Kimimaro's bones (which none of them have the fore to break) Dragon shout paralyzes them, Tayuya's genjutsu traps them, Manda 2.0 crushes them, Suigetsu's water body helps him take literally no damage and he also has Sakon/Ukon's powers and incredible speed at least as good as Naruto.

Current Bee and Naruto basically immune to Genjutsu, Bee and Kakashi Raiton nullifies and paralyzes water body, Tailed Beasts + Gama summons beat Manda easily, Sakon and Ukon weren't particularly good. His Genjutsu defense only works against Genjutsu dependent on vision, Naruto could summon Ma and Pa to use the sound Genjutsu.

#15 Edited by Noone301994 (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

@ultrastarkiller said:

@noone301994: O Ya I forgot bout that......ehhh Kakashi can still solo. His chakra stamina increased greatly and he could Kamui Kabuto's head and he could teleport himself like he did when he fought Obito.

Kabuto was really fast, fast enough to barely get hit more than once by both Sasuke and Itachi who are both pretty fast so I doubt he would get his head warped off easily. I also restricted Kakashi from having enough skill with his Mangekyo Sharingan so he wouldn't be able to BFR Kabuto. Also Kabuto was considered equal to Kakashi in skill and power before, but now he has WAY more power.

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#16 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

Kabuto stomps. None of them can hurt him. He has enhanced durability via Kimimaro's bones (which none of them have the fore to break) Dragon shout paralyzes them, Tayuya's genjutsu traps them, Manda 2.0 crushes them, Suigetsu's water body helps him take literally no damage and he also has Sakon/Ukon's powers and incredible speed at least as good as Naruto.

Current Bee and Naruto basically immune to Genjutsu, Bee and Kakashi Raiton nullifies and paralyzes water body, Tailed Beasts + Gama summons beat Manda easily, Sakon and Ukon weren't particularly good. His Genjutsu defense only works against Genjutsu dependent on vision, Naruto could summon Ma and Pa to use the sound Genjutsu.

None of this gets past Kimimaro's bones nonetheless sage enhanced ones, and Ma an Pa would die a horrible death. Naruto won't have time to summon them as Kabuto is killing and blitzing the rest of his team. Guy's too slow, Kakashi's too slow, even Bee will lose in speed. And none of them can hurt him and get past his bones should they hit him. Sakon and Ukon could possess people and hurt them from inside, a very useful jutsu. Kabuto has no way to lose really.

#17 Posted by paulson3lt (570 posts) - - Show Bio

@ferventking said:

@darkraiden said:

Kabuto stomps. None of them can hurt him. He has enhanced durability via Kimimaro's bones (which none of them have the fore to break) Dragon shout paralyzes them, Tayuya's genjutsu traps them, Manda 2.0 crushes them, Suigetsu's water body helps him take literally no damage and he also has Sakon/Ukon's powers and incredible speed at least as good as Naruto.

Current Bee and Naruto basically immune to Genjutsu, Bee and Kakashi Raiton nullifies and paralyzes water body, Tailed Beasts + Gama summons beat Manda easily, Sakon and Ukon weren't particularly good. His Genjutsu defense only works against Genjutsu dependent on vision, Naruto could summon Ma and Pa to use the sound Genjutsu.

None of this gets past Kimimaro's bones nonetheless sage enhanced ones, and Ma an Pa would die a horrible death. Naruto won't have time to summon them as Kabuto is killing and blitzing the rest of his team. Guy's too slow, Kakashi's too slow, even Bee will lose in speed. And none of them can hurt him and get past his bones should they hit him. Sakon and Ukon could possess people and hurt them from inside, a very useful jutsu. Kabuto has no way to lose really.

True. They actually would have a hard time with that. I think this would boil down to Naruto and maybe Bee. Kakashi and Guy would just be backup

#18 Edited by NighThunder (3960 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: Did you just say guy is too slow..........

After a hard battle , kabuto would most likely win......

#19 Posted by thelocust619 (2247 posts) - - Show Bio

Naruto's TB form is overkill, its the fastest thing in the series, or on par with raikage. Its chakra far exceedes kabutos and its not hard to catch something when u can turn the room into your hand. Bee is a juggernaut with skills to boot...kabuto has no chance but no kakashis sharing an can't do diddle to kabuto. Its impossible for kabuto to win, but kakashi cannot solo him, sorry. Him and guy are actually the only ones at risk, but remove a tailed beast or its just overkill. Specifically naruto.

#20 Posted by NighThunder (3960 posts) - - Show Bio

@thelocust619: Naruto is faster than all the raikages in cloak mode.

#21 Posted by ferventking (259 posts) - - Show Bio

@ferventking said:

@darkraiden said:

Kabuto stomps. None of them can hurt him. He has enhanced durability via Kimimaro's bones (which none of them have the fore to break) Dragon shout paralyzes them, Tayuya's genjutsu traps them, Manda 2.0 crushes them, Suigetsu's water body helps him take literally no damage and he also has Sakon/Ukon's powers and incredible speed at least as good as Naruto.

Current Bee and Naruto basically immune to Genjutsu, Bee and Kakashi Raiton nullifies and paralyzes water body, Tailed Beasts + Gama summons beat Manda easily, Sakon and Ukon weren't particularly good. His Genjutsu defense only works against Genjutsu dependent on vision, Naruto could summon Ma and Pa to use the sound Genjutsu.

None of this gets past Kimimaro's bones nonetheless sage enhanced ones, and Ma an Pa would die a horrible death. Naruto won't have time to summon them as Kabuto is killing and blitzing the rest of his team. Guy's too slow, Kakashi's too slow, even Bee will lose in speed. And none of them can hurt him and get past his bones should they hit him. Sakon and Ukon could possess people and hurt them from inside, a very useful jutsu. Kabuto has no way to lose really.

Kabuto is not blitzing. His Sage mode offers the exact same advantages except that he can move while collecting energy. So yeah, Naruto should easily be able to keep up with him with fox shroud, so can Guy and Kakashi if they release gates, even more so if Naruto amps up his team with fox chakra. Manda isn't even a factor since Bee.

The bones aren't invulnerable. Itachi was easily able to wreck them with Susanoo, and its sword isn't exactly known for doing physical damage.

#22 Posted by Marshall_Long (2035 posts) - - Show Bio


Yet an immortal Itachi with endless amounts of chakra and Sasuke with EMS couldn't even tag him and only won because of Izanagi. How on Earth would they solo him? Edo Itachi could most likely take on all 4 of them (Bee, Kakashi, Guy, Naruto) individually yet he couldn't beat Kabuto without sacrificing an eye using haxx.

True I retract my statement but Naruto could probably still solo with Kurama.

#23 Edited by Noone301994 (4722 posts) - - Show Bio

@noone301994 said:

Yet an immortal Itachi with endless amounts of chakra and Sasuke with EMS couldn't even tag him and only won because of Izanagi. How on Earth would they solo him? Edo Itachi could most likely take on all 4 of them (Bee, Kakashi, Guy, Naruto) individually yet he couldn't beat Kabuto without sacrificing an eye using haxx.

True I retract my statement but Naruto could probably still solo with Kurama.

Probably, but the way I set this thread up was where Naruto didn't have complete compliance with Kurama. Remember he gained that compliance while fighting the Jinchuriki, Bijuu, and Obito. This fight is a hypothetical what if scenario. Instead of Killer Bee, Naruto, Kakashi, and Guy fighting Obito and the Jinchuriki, they go after Kabuto. So basically his bonding with Kurama didn't happen in this scenario and he doesn't have complete control yet.

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#24 Posted by xlab3000 (3280 posts) - - Show Bio

the Team easily

#25 Posted by Sebast_Allen (1486 posts) - - Show Bio

I say Kabuto

The Dragon shout genjutsu targets sight, not mind so they will all be incapacitated, because it's like swapping itachi and sasuke out i assume they are in the cave, so while incapacitated Kabuto does the cave controlling jutsu to kill a incapacitated guy, kakashi and gravely injures Bee, for benefit of the doubt a sage naruto could dodge the attack

Then Kabuto will send snakes after Bee, which naruto will destroy, only to look back and find Bee and himself being impaled by more walls attacks and kimmimaru's dance of the seedlings fern (enhanced by sage mode) plus the walls attacking will kill bee and impale naruto.

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#26 Edited by PrinceAragorn1 (17414 posts) - - Show Bio

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

#27 Posted by SirNeko (1001 posts) - - Show Bio

Everyone restrains Kaubto while Kakashi BFRs him via Kamui.

#28 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@sirneko said:

Everyone restrains Kaubto while Kakashi BFRs him via Kamui.

Restrain someone who can turn into water? Can posses your body? And can make bones stick out of them ala Kimimaro? I don't think you thought that one through.

#29 Posted by trickzzz (125 posts) - - Show Bio

Team spite.

#30 Edited by SlimJ87D (9934 posts) - - Show Bio

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

#31 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

#32 Posted by SlimJ87D (9934 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

#33 Edited by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

#34 Posted by NoBody134 (289 posts) - - Show Bio

spite

team kills

#35 Posted by SlimJ87D (9934 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

That maybe true, but you can only absorb chakra at a certain rate, we all know this because the toads explained what happens if you absorb it too fast and too much of it. Kabuto will most likely spend more chakra than it being gathered.

Naruto is a Uzumaki, so he already has monstrous chakra on his own. He can also use Sage mode, hide and disperse up to 2 or 3 clones to collect chakra for him and the Fox has enough chakra to supply a whole army of Ninjas and allow Naruto to fight multiple battles simultaneously via clones in Fox mode. On top of that the Fox can recover chakra on his own rather quickly as when Naruto spent a lot of the foxes Chakra and lost his fox mode, he was able to get back into the fox mode within minutes.

I stand corrected though, I forgot about the Juugo part as it's been a long time since I read those chapters and I don't watch the anime to get a refresher. But I believe Naruto has greater options when it comes to chakra gather while Kabuto can only rely on the curse seal to absorb chakra at a controlled rate.

That being said, if we don't agree on the above, we can both agree on this. Neither of the two will be close to running out of chakra before the battle ends. The battle will end far before either runs out of chakra and with Naruto's deadly arsenal of techniques, I don't see Kabuto standing a chance.

#36 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

That maybe true, but you can only absorb chakra at a certain rate, we all know this because the toads explained what happens if you absorb it too fast and too much of it. Kabuto will most likely spend more chakra than it being gathered.

Naruto is a Uzumaki, so he already has monstrous chakra on his own. He can also use Sage mode, hide and disperse up to 2 or 3 clones to collect chakra for him and the Fox has enough chakra to supply a whole army of Ninjas and allow Naruto to fight multiple battles simultaneously via clones in Fox mode. On top of that the Fox can recover chakra on his own rather quickly as when Naruto spent a lot of the foxes Chakra and lost his fox mode, he was able to get back into the fox mode within minutes.

I stand corrected though, I forgot about the Juugo part as it's been a long time since I read those chapters and I don't watch the anime to get a refresher. But I believe Naruto has greater options when it comes to chakra gather while Kabuto can only rely on the curse seal to absorb chakra at a controlled rate.

That being said, if we don't agree on the above, we can both agree on this. Neither of the two will be close to running out of chakra before the battle ends. The battle will end far before either runs out of chakra and with Naruto's deadly arsenal of techniques, I don't see Kabuto standing a chance.

Naruto has a time limit on his Kyuubi Mode though.....and his Sage mode...

Regardless, I don't see how Naruto can hurt Kabuto. While Kabuto can essentially oneshot Naruto.

#37 Posted by SlimJ87D (9934 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

That maybe true, but you can only absorb chakra at a certain rate, we all know this because the toads explained what happens if you absorb it too fast and too much of it. Kabuto will most likely spend more chakra than it being gathered.

Naruto is a Uzumaki, so he already has monstrous chakra on his own. He can also use Sage mode, hide and disperse up to 2 or 3 clones to collect chakra for him and the Fox has enough chakra to supply a whole army of Ninjas and allow Naruto to fight multiple battles simultaneously via clones in Fox mode. On top of that the Fox can recover chakra on his own rather quickly as when Naruto spent a lot of the foxes Chakra and lost his fox mode, he was able to get back into the fox mode within minutes.

I stand corrected though, I forgot about the Juugo part as it's been a long time since I read those chapters and I don't watch the anime to get a refresher. But I believe Naruto has greater options when it comes to chakra gather while Kabuto can only rely on the curse seal to absorb chakra at a controlled rate.

That being said, if we don't agree on the above, we can both agree on this. Neither of the two will be close to running out of chakra before the battle ends. The battle will end far before either runs out of chakra and with Naruto's deadly arsenal of techniques, I don't see Kabuto standing a chance.

Naruto has a time limit on his Kyuubi Mode though.....and his Sage mode...

Regardless, I don't see how Naruto can hurt Kabuto. While Kabuto can essentially oneshot Naruto.

Where was it stated that he has a time limit time in Kyuubi mode?

So you think Kabuto could withstand and take a Sage Mode Tailed Best Bomb?

#38 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

That maybe true, but you can only absorb chakra at a certain rate, we all know this because the toads explained what happens if you absorb it too fast and too much of it. Kabuto will most likely spend more chakra than it being gathered.

Naruto is a Uzumaki, so he already has monstrous chakra on his own. He can also use Sage mode, hide and disperse up to 2 or 3 clones to collect chakra for him and the Fox has enough chakra to supply a whole army of Ninjas and allow Naruto to fight multiple battles simultaneously via clones in Fox mode. On top of that the Fox can recover chakra on his own rather quickly as when Naruto spent a lot of the foxes Chakra and lost his fox mode, he was able to get back into the fox mode within minutes.

I stand corrected though, I forgot about the Juugo part as it's been a long time since I read those chapters and I don't watch the anime to get a refresher. But I believe Naruto has greater options when it comes to chakra gather while Kabuto can only rely on the curse seal to absorb chakra at a controlled rate.

That being said, if we don't agree on the above, we can both agree on this. Neither of the two will be close to running out of chakra before the battle ends. The battle will end far before either runs out of chakra and with Naruto's deadly arsenal of techniques, I don't see Kabuto standing a chance.

Naruto has a time limit on his Kyuubi Mode though.....and his Sage mode...

Regardless, I don't see how Naruto can hurt Kabuto. While Kabuto can essentially oneshot Naruto.

Where was it stated that he has a time limit time in Kyuubi mode?

So you think Kabuto could withstand and take a Sage Mode Tailed Best Bomb?

The Kyuubi stated something like a 5 minute time limit, then it was 8 I think. Either way it was limited.

Yes. Kabuto would either tank it with Kimimaro's bones, or just use water form to tank it and then recover. Or both.

#39 Posted by solon (421 posts) - - Show Bio

Team.

#40 Posted by SlimJ87D (9934 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: I do not remember that time limit at all for the Kyuubi and Naruto had multiple clones running around the whole battlefield using the fox mode as well. I think he even went a whole entire night in the form during the first night of battle. If there was a limit, I think that limit is gone now that the Kyuubi and Naruto have joined forces.

When I have the free time I'm going to reread the fight with Kabuto, Itachi and Sasuke to see how durable Kabuto.

#41 Posted by GhostRider29 (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

@sync1 said:

Naruto people talk funny... lol.

Anyway team wins pretty easily. Unless i'm missing something....

This.

#42 Edited by Ratava (3907 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

No he doesn´t have infinite chakra. Even if he is able to absorb unlimited Natural Energy(that is what juugos cells grants him) he still has to combine it with his normal chakra (spiritual energy/physical energy) to create Sage Chakra and thus be able to use Sage-Mode and techniques.

#43 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

No he doesn´t have infinite chakra. Even if he is able to absorb unlimited Natural Energy(that is what juugos cells grants him) he still has to combine it with his normal chakra (spiritual energy/physical energy) to create Sage Chakra and thus be able to use Sage-Mode and techniques.

Kabuto himself claimed he had infinite Sage Mode, which would be infinite chakra. I'm inclined to believe him.

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden: I do not remember that time limit at all for the Kyuubi and Naruto had multiple clones running around the whole battlefield using the fox mode as well. I think he even went a whole entire night in the form during the first night of battle. If there was a limit, I think that limit is gone now that the Kyuubi and Naruto have joined forces.

When I have the free time I'm going to reread the fight with Kabuto, Itachi and Sasuke to see how durable Kabuto.

That was KCM Naruto, the weaker version. If Naruto uses that, then he gets stomped. Kabuto was outspeeding Itachi at points and Itachi was at the very least equal in speed with Naruto, if not faster.

#44 Posted by Ratava (3907 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

No he doesn´t have infinite chakra. Even if he is able to absorb unlimited Natural Energy(that is what juugos cells grants him) he still has to combine it with his normal chakra (spiritual energy/physical energy) to create Sage Chakra and thus be able to use Sage-Mode and techniques.

Kabuto himself claimed he had infinite Sage Mode, which would be infinite chakra. I'm inclined to believe him.


i just re-read the fight and no such statement was made. so no infinite chakra for kabuto

#45 Posted by SlimJ87D (9934 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden: I bumped this topic because I didn't want to make a whole brand new topic. I'm using Current Naruto vs Kabuto at his peak with no Edo Tensei summoning.

#46 Posted by SlimJ87D (9934 posts) - - Show Bio
@ratava said:

@darkraiden said:

@ratava said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

No he doesn´t have infinite chakra. Even if he is able to absorb unlimited Natural Energy(that is what juugos cells grants him) he still has to combine it with his normal chakra (spiritual energy/physical energy) to create Sage Chakra and thus be able to use Sage-Mode and techniques.

Kabuto himself claimed he had infinite Sage Mode, which would be infinite chakra. I'm inclined to believe him.


i just re-read the fight and no such statement was made. so no infinite chakra for kabuto

That's how I feel about it also. Lastly, you can only take it in at a certain rate or else you will die as you have to balance it out with your physical and spiritual chakra. So he could end up using more chakra than he is absorbing at the time. It's not like he has infinite to use all at once. He has a certain pool of it he can collect, use and distribute from my understanding of how things work.

#47 Posted by lowlaville (4447 posts) - - Show Bio

Uh, Kabuto versus this many guys? Kabuto die really easily. With powerhouses like Naruto and KillerBee to command, Kakashi will win this for them in no time, seriously.

#48 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden: I bumped this topic because I didn't want to make a whole brand new topic. I'm using Current Naruto vs Kabuto at his peak with no Edo Tensei summoning.

Yeah Kabuto should win IMO.

#49 Posted by DarkRaiden (7291 posts) - - Show Bio

@ratava said:

@darkraiden said:

@ratava said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@darkraiden said:

@slimj87d said:

@princearagorn1 said:

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

I think more current Naruto with Sage mode and Fox Chakra stomps even harder now. He's never going to run out of chakra, and he has just as much shielding and healing as Kabuto has, if not more thanks to the Fox healing him and keeping up replenished.

Is Kabuto evena threat at all? He gave Sasuke and Itachi a lot of trouble mostly due to their battle field IMO. He was about to slither around like a snake in that cave and was a difficult target to hit. And like you said, they have to only incapacitate him.

Not true. He still runs out of chakra (both Sage and Kyuubi mode run out, why wouldn't he?) and Kabuto has healing, water form, AND Kimimaro's bones all sage enhanced, giving him far more shielding than Naruto.

Okay, well is he going to have to give a whole army of Ninja's chakra? Because there's absolutely no way Kabuto is going to outlast Naruto in chakra so I don't see your point at all.

Kabuto DOES have infinite chakra. He WILL outlast Naruto. His Curse seal genes he took from Juugo constantly gather nature chakra for him, even while he moves. So yeah, he will outlast Naruto.

No he doesn´t have infinite chakra. Even if he is able to absorb unlimited Natural Energy(that is what juugos cells grants him) he still has to combine it with his normal chakra (spiritual energy/physical energy) to create Sage Chakra and thus be able to use Sage-Mode and techniques.

Kabuto himself claimed he had infinite Sage Mode, which would be infinite chakra. I'm inclined to believe him.


i just re-read the fight and no such statement was made. so no infinite chakra for kabuto

"Kabuto also assimilated DNA from three members of Taka, gaining Karin's healing powers and Jūgo's ability to passively absorb natural energy, allowing him to continuously use Sage Mode without assistance."

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kabuto_Yakushi

Tis what the wiki says. This translates to infinite Sage Mode

#50 Edited by Odinsonnn (308 posts) - - Show Bio

Only reason he lasted that long against itachi that they had to incapacitate him, and most of itachi's techniques are one-hit kills.. and that he had to protect sasuke.

Current naruto solos with a blitz. He has far more than enough after in his arsenal to win this on his own. The team takes this with a solid majority.

Bee solos, Naruto solos, Kakashi and Guy solo (an equal, if not better, duo sasuke and itachi).

This is overkill.