Snake. Stronger, faster combat-wise, more skilled, willing to kill.
Except for willing to kill, that is entirely wrong. Batman benches in the neighborhood of 1000 lbs, Batman's by far a better hand to hand fighter, he's a better shot with thrown weapons are than the vast majority of people are with guns, and he's fought highly trained gunmen before.
Snake. Stronger, faster combat-wise, more skilled, willing to kill.
Except for willing to kill, that is entirely wrong. Batman benches in the neighborhood of 1000 lbs, Batman's by far a better hand to hand fighter, he's a better shot with thrown weapons are than the vast majority of people are with guns, and he's fought highly trained gunmen before.
Batman benching 1,000 pounds shows he's far more than any real life man can ever hope to be, but Snake's feats surpass it. Outmuscling Revolver Ocelot, singlehandedly lifting a parking garage door up and over his head (overpowering the motor in the process), having a guy that tanks RPGs keeled over coughing up blood, etc.
Solid Snake can wield the Rail Gun like a rifle, absorbing several tons of force into his arm without so much as a stutter. That's a lot more than 1,000 pounds, and Big Boss's strength was described as "monstrous" in comparison to his son's.
In terms of fighting skill, again, edge to Snake. Batman has mastered some odd number of fighting styles, but Jack literally created his own. That's in another league entirely.
Yeah, cause EVERYONE knows Batman's never smacked down anyone willing to kill him before.
No one on Snake's level. I don't see the need for a facepalm; are you really that mad over my opinion? It's not like me thinking Naked Snake can beat Batman in a fight has any effect on your life.
Big Boss is going to take Batman on a solo sneaking mission and bring them both to Outer Heaven by breaching his base defenses with his Solid Snake. But if Big Boss delivers his nuclear payload, it'll be game over for the dark knight.
No one on Snake's level. I don't see the need for a facepalm; are you really that mad over my opinion? It's not like me thinking Naked Snake can beat Batman in a fight has any effect on your life.
No, it's just my personal frustration with the "willing to kill" argument that is constantly brought up with; usually with the Punisher and other similar characters. I tend to overreact whenever it comes up.
With Batman fighting super-powered criminals like Clayface and Killer Croc; powerhouses who want to rip him to shreds in the worst way; saying that the soldier/spy is willing to kill him seems more than redundant.
No one on Snake's level. I don't see the need for a facepalm; are you really that mad over my opinion? It's not like me thinking Naked Snake can beat Batman in a fight has any effect on your life.
No, it's just my personal frustration with the "willing to kill" argument that is constantly brought up with; usually with the Punisher and other similar characters. I tend to overreact whenever it comes up.
With Batman fighting super-powered criminals like Clayface and Killer Croc; powerhouses who want to rip him to shreds in the worst way; saying that the soldier/spy is willing to kill him seems more than redundant.
The will to kill is a BIG advantage to Snake. If two exact equals are fighting, who's going to win?
The guy not holding back obviously.
Neither Killer Croc nor Clayface posses the skill or competence of Big Boss.
@TheTmac said:
Snake does not have the feats to put him on Batmans level.
@nickzambuto: what has snake done that is so special?Batman has way better feats and has beaten way tougher opponents than snake has.
Nope. Big Boss has taken on plenty of dudes that Batman would not bode well against; Null got himself surrounded by a team of armed soldiers and effortlessly dodged every bullet fired whilst cutting them all up. Gene blitzed a precog faster than the speed of thought. Solid Snake was a legendary war hero called "The Man Who Makes the Impossible Possible."
Big Boss stomped all of them.
If you feel Batman wins go ahead and make a case for him. Seems to me that most of the thread is in agreement about Snake winning, though.
@nickzambuto: Yeah portable ops is the only mgs that i didnt play so i dont know any of his feats from there but unless he was blocking bullets with his hands and smashing through trees with his legs it wont matter.
Batman has also beaten some very tough enemies that would stomp Snake like White martians,Prometheus,Clayface,Amazo,League of shadows...
Batman is definately stronger than Snake he was able to break a tree in half with his leg and he is able to bench press 1000 pounds something Snake could never do.
He was also able to time bullets from a machine gun something Snake can only dream of.And he has also removed GL ring without him even feeling it,so i think its safe to say he is faster than Snake.
Batman has mastered 127 forms of martial arts,i dont know how many Snake has but it cant be even a third of that number.
And on top of all that Batman is also much smarter than Snake (he owns the biggest company in the world,he is considered the smartest member of the jla)
As for Snake,solid snake stomped him in mg and mg2 and the only reason he surviived mgs 3 is because he was constantly getting help from other characters (EVA,Ocelot)
Snake was constantly getting knocked on his ass during the cutscenes so he really didnt show any impressive h2h feats and that cqc hug from mgs4 was pretty impresive but nothing on Batmans level.
Love Naked Snake/Big boss, but Batman should be able to win this. He carries better toys/gear than what Snake was working with in that game....If it came down to h2h it could be close, but I'm leaning towards Batman in that dept as well.
Batman is peak human; however strong a human being can possibly be, Batman is.
Thing with Snake though, he's more than that. In the same vain as Captain America and Black Panther, Big Boss is superhuman, thanks to all those soldier genes swimming around in him. As such, he has certain feats of unbelievable strength and endurance, that Batman, for all his training and experience, simply can't compete with.
Utilizing a high speed drone while wearing only his field uniform, whereas the MiG pilots chasing him had to wear pressurized suits to survive in their aircraft;
Enduring a battle against The Fury while the area they were in burned from the flames of the latter's rocket fuel-laced flamethrower;
Managing to embark on Operation Snake Eater and successfully complete his mission despite only a week after suffering numerous injuries during the Virtuous Mission;
Enduring electrical torture by Colonel Volgin from what was implied to be at a voltage of around ten million volts;
Twice surviving a large fall into a body of water in Tselinoyarsk;
Surviving the ICBMG's missile launch despite standing close to ground zero of the ignition blast;
Lifting single-handedly a garage door to allow himself entry to Peace Walker's hangar with his own bare hands, at least twice;
Enduring electrical torture at the hands of Dr. Strangelove;
Surviving the fall from the mountainous border between Costa Rica and Nicaragua while pursing Peace Walker at what was implied to be a very large height, a fall that likewise mortally injured The Boss's horse;
Surviving serious injuries during the fall of Outer Heaven;
Barely surviving after his body suffered severe burns in Zanzibar Land;
Enduring the effects of the second FOXDIE strain for approximately 15 minutes, before finally passing away.
Big Boss is literally the strongest human being in the entire Metal Gear Universe. Batman kicks down trees, but Solid Snake put his hand through 5 inches of solid concrete to escape a cell in MG1; meanwhile, Big Boss's strength is described as "monstrous" in comparison to his son's.
Revolver Ocelot dented steel by punching it and can jump 40 friggin feet in the air; again, Big Boss outmuscled him.
Then there's The Boss. Batman benched 1,000 pounds, but this lady lugged a 630 pound Davy Crocket miles through the jungle with no strain, one-handed. That puts her total bench weight at 1,260 pounds, far more than Batman, and once again Big Boss has been shown stronger than his mentor.
In terms of speed, Batman might win in a race, but Naked Snake's combat speed is unparalleled. He's stomped Null, who cut Machine Gun bullets up midair, easily dominated Gene, who blitzed a precog faster than the speed of thought, and done more than keep up with Solid Snake, who had hypersonic reflexes.
True, Snake got owned a lot in MGS3, but did he not always get right back up and own right back? That just shows his inhuman durability - Batman will be hard pressed to even do much damage to Snake considering even Volgin struggled to keep him down, and Volgin was a 10-20 tonner.
@nickzambuto: I havent seen most of those feats but the boss battles shouldnt really be counted as feats because you can take a machinegun to the face pause the game eat a ration and just continue like nothing happend.Batman could have done most of those things like dent steel and survive those falls.Ocelot was completely even if not above Snake at the end of mgs3 and Batman can lift a 1000 pounds but thats not his maximum strength im sure he can lift more.Yes null has very good reaction time but during the boss fight he turns retarded and cant block a single bullet that why the boss fight shouldnt count as feats same thing with volgin and same thing with gene.And the only reason he beat Big Boss was because she let him.
Where does it say that Solid Snake has hypersonic reflexes.Where did it say that volgin is a 2 tonner.Where did it say that the voltage was around 10 mil V
And its not like Batman hasnt dealt with superhumans before,he has way more experience than Snake.
And Batman also has great durability feats.Here is Batman getting right back up after undergoing a week of extreme mental and physical torture(getting thrown through walls stabbed and driven insane)
And Talon was also a superhuman he even had a healing factor.
I havent seen most of those feats but the boss battles shouldnt really be counted as feats because you can take a machinegun to the face pause the game eat a ration and just continue like nothing happend.Batman could have done most of those things like dent steel and survive those falls.Ocelot was completely even if not above Snake at the end of mgs3 and Batman can lift a 1000 pounds but thats not his maximum strength im sure he can lift more.Yes null has very good reaction time but during the boss fight he turns retarded and cant block a single bullet that why the boss fight shouldnt count as feats same thing with volgin and same thing with gene.
Those are called game mechanics, which we don't count. Canonically, Big Boss was never shot or injured a single time outside of cutscenes; just goes to show how skilled he is.
Where does it say that Solid Snake has hypersonic reflexes.Where did it say that volgin is a 2 tonner.Where did it say that the voltage was around 10 mil V
1) Old Snake dodged a mach 20 Rail Gun blast in his old age during MGS4
2) Volgin effortlessly punched through the Shagohad's armor, which just moments ago Snake claimed multiple RPGs "couldn't put a dent in"
3) Volgin states the voltage was 10 million volts during the torture sequence
Batman has never survived any hits as severe as the stuff Snake regularly tanks. Dive bombing 500 feet down off the Chrysallis and Cocoon to solid land and not even grunting, taking no damage from standing at ground zero of an ICBM's launch, withstanding multiple multitonner hits with mimimul injury, etc. Big Boss will outlast Batman in the end, if anything.
And its not like Batman hasnt dealt with superhumans before,he has way more experience than Snake.
False. Batman has fought plenty of superhumans but more often then not he just deals with extremely talented humans. Nearly Big Boss's entire rogues gallery on the other hand is composed of superhumans.
And Batman also has great durability feats.Here is Batman getting right back up after undergoing a week of extreme mental and physical torture(getting thrown through walls stabbed and driven insane)
Not denying that's a badass feat, but again Snake outclasses it. Taking a severe beating from Volgin immediately followed by extensive electrical torture and having his eye shot out, he was still fresh enough to escape his cell by outsmarting the guard, sneak through the most heavily fortified Russian base in existence wearing nothing but a pair of pants, tank a 300 foot fall into a shallow river, resist being driven insane by The Sorrow, and then after a quick nap he defeated Volgin in H2H, literally took on an entire army, destroyed the Shagohad, led EVA miles through the forest while avoiding dozens of guards, killed The Boss, and finally had his classic skirmish with Ocelot.
Adamska would challenge Batman and even take a couple wins over him (I've never seen Batman jump 40 feet in the air or kill an entire soldier unit before anyone can even react) let alone Big Boss.
@nickzambuto: Batman has way more experience with superhumans than Snake hes a member of the friggin jla.
Some of the stuff doesnt add up if Snake can tank hits from 20 tonners and has hypersonic reflexes then nobody should even be able to see him and bullets should bounce off his skin most of the stuff ive seen Snake do doesnt even put him near hypersonic speeds.Snake would have never beat the shagohod without EVA,he only killed the Boss because she let him and his fight with Ocelot was cool but not enough to put him on Batmans level.I agree that Snake can take more punishment than Batman but Batman is more skilled combat wise and he has lots of nifty gadgets like nerve gas,smoke bombs and this
So with his superior knowledge of martial arts and gadgets Batman should win.Batmans beaten tougher opponents.
Some of the stuff doesnt add up if Snake can tank hits from 20 tonners and has hypersonic reflexes then nobody should even be able to see him and bullets should bounce off his skin most of the stuff ive seen Snake do doesnt even put him near hypersonic speeds.
Not exactly. Blunt force trauma =/= piercing power. Snake can take hits from strong foes but a bullet can still end him; Spider-Man, Wolverine, Wonder Woman, plenty of characters are the same.
Spider-Man takes hits from Colossus and juggernaut
But doesn't fair so well against an arrow
I'm not saying Snake can move at hypersonic speeds; just that he can react at them. There's also the fact that he defeated the Cyborg Ninja in H2H combat, a bullet-fast class 100+ enemy far superior to anyone Batman has ever taken on straight up.
Snake would have never beat the shagohod without EVA
He destroyed the Pupa pretty easily in Peace Walker, which was just an upgraded Shagohad.
he only killed the Boss because she let him
Nope, she was trying her hardest. Her mission was to die, but that's why she called in the MiGs to bomb the place; so that in case she won, she'd still complete her mission.
and his fight with Ocelot was cool but not enough to put him on Batmans level
Visually, it's a lot more impressive than any of Batman's fights, displaying far better technique.
he has lots of nifty gadgets like nerve gas,smoke bombs and this
Snake has guns. Fact that he's a marksman reaching Punisher level, this might never come down to H2H at all. Snake can just shoot him from 50 yards.
And Batman would destroy Ocelot 1v1 h2h.
Doubt it. A guy who's so skilled he effortlessly ricochets bullets and can systematically kill an entire squadron of armed men before anyone can even blink?
Ocelot also singlehandedly manipulated the entire events of pretty much the whole series and succeeded in bringing down the Patriots, using everyone around him to do it.
Ocelot had the entire planet in the palm of his hands. In the end, he took it one step further and purposely let Solid Snake stop him; because again, it's all part of the plan.
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