@almighty said:
@nathaniel_christopher said:
@almighty said:
@nathaniel_christopher: Yeah that's because he had hashirama cells something Nagato also doesn't have Madara on his own strength could not produce attacks on the scale he did without either being edo, getting amped by hashirama cells/sage mode, the 10 tails, the 9 tails.
See their Valley of the End fight then, where both he and Hashirama used large scale attacks in the parts we saw, and weren't noticeably fatigued. He was able to make Perfect Susano-o (And control a fully powered Kyuubi at the same time) on his own before he got any of those things, and that was his largest attack.
I'm again not saying Nagato is equal to Madara, but chakra wise he's still a powerhouse.
Again like I said he was amped by the 9 tails in that fight and putting a tailed beast under control for an uchiha isn't that difficult they can do it in just a glance and they were fatigued especially Madara Hashirama was the one who clearly had the high chakra reserves as most Senju notoriously had especially Hashirama he cought Madara from behind and stabbed him all I'm saying is the things he showcased as an edo could not be replicated to the same scale he preformed them if he were alive UNLESS he is amped by 1. The Juubi 2. The Kyubbi 3. Hashirama Cells
and back on topic it Nagato's chakra pool is really irrelevant at this point because Madara almost died a few times against the kages so there's nothing to suggest nagato wouldn't seeing as tho he is weaker than edo Madara
What? No he wasn't. Controlling a Bijuu through genjutsu isn't an amp, it's an act that puts even more stress on the user and takes up even more of his chakra. See Obito controlling multiple Bijuu during the war. That's further testament to how great Madara's chakra is that he was able to do that and still fight with Hashirama at the same time. I'd say controlling a Bijuu is difficult, even for an Uchiha, seeing as Madara was noted as one of four people (And the only Uchiha, before Sasuke) who had the ability to control a Tailed Beast. They were fatigued due to their fight going on for a long period of time. At the start, they were throwing around those high level techniques without a problem. And their fight started in the daytime and went on into the night.
Kyuubi doesn't amp it's users when they're controlling it through the Sharingan. That statement makes no sense. Bijuu do that when they're sealed inside the host, as the Juubi was with Obito and later Madara, bolstering their chakra reserves and physical attributes. Madara wasn't being amped at the Valley of the End and neither was Hashirama, yet they still threw around attacks that were more destructive than most other things we saw in this story, for a fairly substantial amount of time.
Madara only "almost" died one time against the Hokage, which was when they launched their final combined attack at him, and he used Perfect Susano-o to break out of it. No reason he wouldn't have done the same had he been living (Though had he been living he most likely would've ended the fight long before then anyways) So that doesn't really count.
To Nagato though, I've already explained how i'd think it'd go, with the Kage being able to overwhelm him if they can get their teamwork together in time.
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