N52 Superman vs Sanguinus (40k)

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Random encounter

No prep

Morals on

Gear:

Standard for N52 Superman.

Gear for Sanguinius is the gear he had just before his fight with horus.

Battlefield:

The blood angels home world twenty feet away.

Versions:

New 52 Superman, and pre heresy sanguinius.

Who wins?

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Superman wins.

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#4  Edited By Ultragreenboy

What's 40k ?

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Superman

Sanguinus is good, but he gets crushed here

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#6  Edited By Redzkz

@army2442:

Angron is the second strongest (in pure raw power) primarch:

Ardentor’s anti-infantry bolters spat their tracer fire at the prone primarch. The first burst chewed glass, spraying fragments everywhere. The second two punched home in the scorched armour, blasting the fallen Emperor’s son onto his back – a vessel of cooked, punctured meat.

‘We just killed a primarch.’ Kei swallowed. ‘We just killed a primarch.’

Delantyr’s grin showed almost every tooth he had. ‘Crush him. Leave them nothing to bury.’

Ardentor walked. Its backwards-jointed legs hammered down on the steaming, downsloping glass, breaking it underfoot as it staggered down into the crater. When it reached the primarch’s body, Ellas raised the right claw-foot, and steered both control levers to slam the limb back down.

The Warhound shook, unbalanced with one leg in the air. Great gears in the war machine’s knee and hip protested with rough, mechanical coughs.

‘Get the leg down,’ Delantyr ordered. ‘Finish it.’

Ellas gave the control levers another wrenching shove. ‘Something’s obstructing us.’

Kei lifted his targeting visor again, looking out of the Warhound’s left eye-windshield. He took a slow breath, and glanced back at his princeps.

‘My princeps? The World Eaters in the ruins… They’re cheering.’

The bleeding demigod had torn his way through the ground, giving voice to his resurrection with a bellow nothing short of ursine. Gore sheeted him, painting him in dark, rich red wetness. He threw his axes away, ruined and never to be wielded again, and breathed freedom into his lungs. It smelled of melted glass and felt like sunburn.

‘Lorgar.’ He spat blood as he said the name, rising to his feet at last.

The Word Bearer lifted a scalded hand, not for aid, but in warning. Angron had no time to lift his mutilated brother, sprawled at his feet. The sun went dark, as dark as night falling in an instant.

He turned, raising his arms, and took a god-machine’s weight on his shoulders.

Every muscle in his body locked tighter than the iron trying to crush him. Drool stringed through his metal teeth, skinned knuckles white as he defied the will of a Titan. He gave a bear’s roar as the foot lowered another half-metre. Sinews crackled in his shoulders. His broken boots skidded back on the patch of unglassed rock; something cracked in his spine, something else cracked in his left knee. The compression of his bones sounded like twigs breaking underfoot, which was a vivid burst of imagination he didn’t appreciate.

But he could hear his men cheering. He could hear them howling as they killed, and crying his name.

He blinked to clear away his sweat’s greasy sting, and dug his boots into the ground. With a smile slitting across his broken-angel face, he shifted his slipping, blood-slick grip on the Titan’s clawed foot, and started pushing back.

‘Lorgar.’ Angron spoke in something that wasn’t quite a growl and wasn’t quite a laugh. ‘Get up. I can’t hold this forever.’

Now let's find some numbers for titan weight:

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Here you go. Sanguinus loses. Badly. He can't trade blows with Superman.

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#9  Edited By Gojira2014

@redzkz: Actually that scan is wrong as the titans weigh more than Thousand Tons, especially that titan. Also Angron and other Primarchs have far greater feats like the time angron had over a few thousand tons of mountain drop on him and lived fine :)

Anyway as per this battle, Sanguin wins easy. This is not a h2h fight as Sanguin standard gear is a power weapon. ]

Power weapons are molecule separating energy field weapons.

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Add to this Sanguine has FTL reflexes.

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The Spear of Telesto wielded by the primarch Sanguinius whom with just a little of his power to channel shows FTL reaction ability.

So Superman actually gets one shotted easy.

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@redzkz: Actually that scan is wrong as the titans weigh more than Thousand Tons, especially that titan. Also Angron and other Primarchs have far greater feats like the time angron had over a few thousand tons of mountain drop on him and lived fine :)

Anyway as per this battle, Sanguin wins easy. This is not a h2h fight as Sanguin standard gear is a power weapon. ]

Power weapons are molecule separating energy field weapons.

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Add to this Sanguine has FTL reflexes.

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The Spear of Telesto wielded by the primarch Sanguinius whom with just a little of his power to channel shows FTL reaction ability.

So Superman actually gets one shotted easy.

Yes. Every character on the vine has FTL reflexes apparently.

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#11  Edited By Wut

@hellblazing: You forgot that every character on Comicvine also has hyper-competence.

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@wut: @hellblazing: Blame the writers, not me that superman is not the big dog in a world with more powerful characters written into fiction lol.

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#13  Edited By Wut

@gojira2014: I wasn't talking about superman or Sanguinius. I was talking about how debators always give their character Hyper-Competence.

"The Flash would use Speed Force."

... right, because the Flash always goes straight for that. Totally in character.

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There isn't a single being in The Imperium that can move faster than light

You shi* on superman but you'll wank sanguine to

FTL

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@gojira2014:

Angron have troubles with warhound titanm which is way easier than warlord class anyway.

Sanguinius is not stronger than Angron. He have more skills yes and overall better fighter, but not stronger AFAIK.

About Telesto Spear. Do you have any proof that Sanguinius have this during his fight with Horus?

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@wut:

@gojira2014: I wasn't talking about superman or Sanguinius. I was talking about how debators always give their character Hyper-Competence.

"The Flash would use Speed Force."

... right, because the Flash always goes straight for that. Totally in character.

Yes, it is in character for the Flash to use the friggin speed force

Yes

I don't see why you think that's a problem

Here

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#19  Edited By Gojira2014

@linsanel_doctor said:

There isn't a single being in The Imperium that can move faster than light

You shi* on superman but you'll wank sanguine to

FTL

I never said he was faster than light lol. I said its proven a portion of Sangy's power showed reaction time of either near light speed if not FTL when channeled into a another.

Also many characters can Warp Time to the point where they are FTL.

Also Dark Eldar have created beings made of light, thus light speed beings per their 5th edition codex.

You clearly know little of 40k good sir :)

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@gojira2014:

Angron have troubles with warhound titanm which is way easier than warlord class anyway.

Sanguinius is not stronger than Angron. He have more skills yes and overall better fighter, but not stronger AFAIK.

About Telesto Spear. Do you have any proof that Sanguinius have this during his fight with Horus?

True.

True.

Who cares? The Spear did not grant power, it held some of his power into the Spear. Not the other way around.

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Sanguinus one shots superman

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#21  Edited By linsanel_Doctor

@gojira2014: and you're clearly a well read Gozilla and Warhammer 40k geek right

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@gojira2014:

Who cares? The Spear did not grant power, it held some of his power into the Spear. Not the other way around.

Because AFAIK he never showed us any example of FTL reactions.

By the way. Side question. Do you think that this ork was just this strong or was it Emperor who was massivly holding back?

“The Emperor fought an armoured giant twice his height and breadth. Its skull was a vast, iron-helmed boulder with elephantine tusks and chisel-like teeth that gleamed dully. Its eyes were coal-red slits of such vicious intelligence that it stole Horus’s breath.

Horus had never seen its equal. No bestiary would include its description for fear of being ridiculed, no magos of the Mechanicum would accept such a specimen could exist.

Six clanking, mechanised limbs bolted through its flesh bore grinding, crackling, sawing, snapping, flame-belching weapons of murder. The Emperor’s armour was burning, the golden wreath now ashes around his neck.

Chugging rotor cannons battered the Emperor’s armour even as claws of lightning tore portions of it away. It was taking every screed of the Emperor’s warrior skill and psychic might to keep the mech-warlord’s weaponry from killing him.

‘Father!’ shouted Horus.

The greenskin turned and saw Horus. It saw the desperation in his face and laughed. A fist like a Reductor siege hammer smashed the Emperor’s sword aside and a fist of green flesh lifted him into the air. It crushed the life from him with its inhuman power.

‘No!’ yelled Horus, battering his way through the last of the greenskins to reach his father’s side. The Mech-Warlord turned his spinal weapons on Horus, and a blistering series of lightning strikes hammered the walkway.

Horus dodged them all, a wolf on the hunt amid the ash and fire of the world’s ending. He had no weapon, and where that wasn’t normally a handicap to a warrior of the Legions, against this foe it was a definite disadvantage.

No weapon of his would hurt this beast anyway.

But one of its own…

Horus gripped one of the warlord’s mechanised arms, one bearing the spinning brass spheres and crackling tines of its lightning weapon. The arm’s strength was prodigious, but centimetre by centimetre Horus forced it around.

Lightning blasted from the weapon, burning Horus’s hands black. Bone gleamed through the ruin of his flesh, but what was that pain when set against the loss of a father?

With one last herculean effort, Horus wrenched the arm up as a sawing blast of white-edged lightning erupted from the weapon. A searing burst of fire impacted on the Mech-Warlord’s forearm and the limb exploded from the elbow down in a welter of blackened bone and boiling blood. The beast grunted in surprise, dropping the Emperor and staring in dumb fascination at the ruin of its arm.

Seizing the chance he had been given, the Emperor bent low and surged upwards with his bluesteel sword extended. The tip ripped into the Mech-Warlord’s belly and burst from its back in a shower of sparks.

‘Now you die,’ said the Emperor, and ripped his blade up.

It was an awful, agonising, mortal wound. Electrical fire vented from hideous metal organs within the wreckage of the greenskin’s body.

Horus felt the build up of colossal psychic energies and shielded his eyes as a furious light built within the Emperor. Power like nothing he had ever seen his father wield, or even suspected he possessed. All consuming, all powerful, it was the power to extinguish life in every sphere of its existence. It was... supernova. Physical flesh turned to ash before it and what ancient faiths had once called a soul was burned out of existence, never to cohere again.

Nothing would ever remain of he who suffered such a fate.

Their body and soul would pass from the finite energy of the universe, to fade into memory and have all that they were wiped from the canvas of existence.

This was as complete a death as it was possible to suffer.

That power blazed along the Emperor’s sword, filling the greenskin with killing light. It erupted in a bellowing golden explosion, and lightning blazed from the coruscating afterimage of its death, arcing from ork to ork as it sought out all those who were kin to the master of Gorro. Unimaginable energies poured from the Emperor, reaching throughout the entirety of the chamber and burning every last shred of alien flesh to a mist of drifting golden ash.

Horus watched as the power of life and death coursed through the Emperor, saw him swell in stature until he was like unto a god. Wreathed in pellucid amber flames, towering and majestic.

His father never claimed to be a god, and refuted such notions with a vengeance. He had even castigated a son for believing what Horus now saw before him with his very own eyes…”

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#23  Edited By linsanel_Doctor

@killerwasp: the superman who has tanked planetary+ explosions?

Lol

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Sanguinus.

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wow

this is incredible

a single patriarch could not take over an ork ridden planet

Superman would wipe it clean of life in minutes

There is no comparison

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@linsanel_doctor: No. It is not. To use the Speed Force? Yes. To be the first thing he goes for when fighting someone? No.

This is called Hyper-Competence. Where we throw away a characters... well... character and examine only his powers and say he would win by doing something with his powers that are outside his character especially if it is a against a character that could kill them before they would, normally, use their larger powers to guarantee a win.

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@linsanel_doctor: No. It is not. To use the Speed Force? Yes. To be the first thing he goes for when fighting someone? No.

???

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#28  Edited By Wut

@linsanel_doctor: You... are talking out of your behind right now. That was from the WAAAGH! of the Warboss known only as the Beast. The largest Ork WAAAGH! the Imperium ever faced that nearly crushed the entire Great Crusade.

The Orks in that WAAAGH! were nearly all the size of Nobs and were eating Plasma rounds like it was nothing. Getting hit by a plasma bolt is like having a mini-sun explode in your face.

I do not believe Sanguinius wins this. But if you do not know the context then it would be best to not speak.

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@wut: I am not addressing that particular

I'm saying any given ork ridden planet

Sanguine stands no chance

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@redzkz said:

@army2442:

Angron is the second strongest (in pure raw power) primarch:

Ardentor’s anti-infantry bolters spat their tracer fire at the prone primarch. The first burst chewed glass, spraying fragments everywhere. The second two punched home in the scorched armour, blasting the fallen Emperor’s son onto his back – a vessel of cooked, punctured meat.

‘We just killed a primarch.’ Kei swallowed. ‘We just killed a primarch.’

Delantyr’s grin showed almost every tooth he had. ‘Crush him. Leave them nothing to bury.’

Ardentor walked. Its backwards-jointed legs hammered down on the steaming, downsloping glass, breaking it underfoot as it staggered down into the crater. When it reached the primarch’s body, Ellas raised the right claw-foot, and steered both control levers to slam the limb back down.

The Warhound shook, unbalanced with one leg in the air. Great gears in the war machine’s knee and hip protested with rough, mechanical coughs.

‘Get the leg down,’ Delantyr ordered. ‘Finish it.’

Ellas gave the control levers another wrenching shove. ‘Something’s obstructing us.’

Kei lifted his targeting visor again, looking out of the Warhound’s left eye-windshield. He took a slow breath, and glanced back at his princeps.

‘My princeps? The World Eaters in the ruins… They’re cheering.’

The bleeding demigod had torn his way through the ground, giving voice to his resurrection with a bellow nothing short of ursine. Gore sheeted him, painting him in dark, rich red wetness. He threw his axes away, ruined and never to be wielded again, and breathed freedom into his lungs. It smelled of melted glass and felt like sunburn.

‘Lorgar.’ He spat blood as he said the name, rising to his feet at last.

The Word Bearer lifted a scalded hand, not for aid, but in warning. Angron had no time to lift his mutilated brother, sprawled at his feet. The sun went dark, as dark as night falling in an instant.

He turned, raising his arms, and took a god-machine’s weight on his shoulders.

Every muscle in his body locked tighter than the iron trying to crush him. Drool stringed through his metal teeth, skinned knuckles white as he defied the will of a Titan. He gave a bear’s roar as the foot lowered another half-metre. Sinews crackled in his shoulders. His broken boots skidded back on the patch of unglassed rock; something cracked in his spine, something else cracked in his left knee. The compression of his bones sounded like twigs breaking underfoot, which was a vivid burst of imagination he didn’t appreciate.

But he could hear his men cheering. He could hear them howling as they killed, and crying his name.

He blinked to clear away his sweat’s greasy sting, and dug his boots into the ground. With a smile slitting across his broken-angel face, he shifted his slipping, blood-slick grip on the Titan’s clawed foot, and started pushing back.

‘Lorgar.’ Angron spoke in something that wasn’t quite a growl and wasn’t quite a laugh. ‘Get up. I can’t hold this forever.’

Now let's find some numbers for titan weight:

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Here you go. Sanguinus loses. Badly. He can't trade blows with Superman.

Wasn't Angron injured when he did that ?

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@redzkz said:

@gojira2014:

Who cares? The Spear did not grant power, it held some of his power into the Spear. Not the other way around.

Because AFAIK he never showed us any example of FTL reactions.

By the way. Side question. Do you think that this ork was just this strong or was it Emperor who was massivly holding back?

“The Emperor fought an armoured giant twice his height and breadth. Its skull was a vast, iron-helmed boulder with elephantine tusks and chisel-like teeth that gleamed dully. Its eyes were coal-red slits of such vicious intelligence that it stole Horus’s breath.

Horus had never seen its equal. No bestiary would include its description for fear of being ridiculed, no magos of the Mechanicum would accept such a specimen could exist.

Six clanking, mechanised limbs bolted through its flesh bore grinding, crackling, sawing, snapping, flame-belching weapons of murder. The Emperor’s armour was burning, the golden wreath now ashes around his neck.

Chugging rotor cannons battered the Emperor’s armour even as claws of lightning tore portions of it away. It was taking every screed of the Emperor’s warrior skill and psychic might to keep the mech-warlord’s weaponry from killing him.

‘Father!’ shouted Horus.

The greenskin turned and saw Horus. It saw the desperation in his face and laughed. A fist like a Reductor siege hammer smashed the Emperor’s sword aside and a fist of green flesh lifted him into the air. It crushed the life from him with its inhuman power.

‘No!’ yelled Horus, battering his way through the last of the greenskins to reach his father’s side. The Mech-Warlord turned his spinal weapons on Horus, and a blistering series of lightning strikes hammered the walkway.

Horus dodged them all, a wolf on the hunt amid the ash and fire of the world’s ending. He had no weapon, and where that wasn’t normally a handicap to a warrior of the Legions, against this foe it was a definite disadvantage.

No weapon of his would hurt this beast anyway.

But one of its own…

Horus gripped one of the warlord’s mechanised arms, one bearing the spinning brass spheres and crackling tines of its lightning weapon. The arm’s strength was prodigious, but centimetre by centimetre Horus forced it around.

Lightning blasted from the weapon, burning Horus’s hands black. Bone gleamed through the ruin of his flesh, but what was that pain when set against the loss of a father?

With one last herculean effort, Horus wrenched the arm up as a sawing blast of white-edged lightning erupted from the weapon. A searing burst of fire impacted on the Mech-Warlord’s forearm and the limb exploded from the elbow down in a welter of blackened bone and boiling blood. The beast grunted in surprise, dropping the Emperor and staring in dumb fascination at the ruin of its arm.

Seizing the chance he had been given, the Emperor bent low and surged upwards with his bluesteel sword extended. The tip ripped into the Mech-Warlord’s belly and burst from its back in a shower of sparks.

‘Now you die,’ said the Emperor, and ripped his blade up.

It was an awful, agonising, mortal wound. Electrical fire vented from hideous metal organs within the wreckage of the greenskin’s body.

Horus felt the build up of colossal psychic energies and shielded his eyes as a furious light built within the Emperor. Power like nothing he had ever seen his father wield, or even suspected he possessed. All consuming, all powerful, it was the power to extinguish life in every sphere of its existence. It was... supernova. Physical flesh turned to ash before it and what ancient faiths had once called a soul was burned out of existence, never to cohere again.

Nothing would ever remain of he who suffered such a fate.

Their body and soul would pass from the finite energy of the universe, to fade into memory and have all that they were wiped from the canvas of existence.

This was as complete a death as it was possible to suffer.

That power blazed along the Emperor’s sword, filling the greenskin with killing light. It erupted in a bellowing golden explosion, and lightning blazed from the coruscating afterimage of its death, arcing from ork to ork as it sought out all those who were kin to the master of Gorro. Unimaginable energies poured from the Emperor, reaching throughout the entirety of the chamber and burning every last shred of alien flesh to a mist of drifting golden ash.

Horus watched as the power of life and death coursed through the Emperor, saw him swell in stature until he was like unto a god. Wreathed in pellucid amber flames, towering and majestic.

His father never claimed to be a god, and refuted such notions with a vengeance. He had even castigated a son for believing what Horus now saw before him with his very own eyes…”

Sang was able to easily fly through the at hypersonic plus speeds if not far faster. He wasn't really putting effort into it.

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Sanguinius one shots

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Shouldn't Sanguinius beat him pretty easily?