Myth War: Odin vs Zeus vs Quetzalcoatl

@ShootingNova: They are beings of worship that are called 'pagan' by the abrahamic religions

@Rumble Man: Well, I'm not religious. And I don't see many beings worshipping them. Still, this is getting off-topic.

@Dark King: I felt like I needed to intervene here. So you're saying that the Greek's universe was the size of a solar system, right? And what makes Quetzalcoatl's mythology any different? I mean, you did provide pictures about how the Greek's viewed the universe, but the picture you provided for Quetzalcoatl's world is from Asura's Wrath, that has nothing to do with his mythology.

In Quetzalcoatl's mythology, the universe was created out of a monster, don't come and tell me that their universe is bigger and get pictures from a game that is actually based on another mythology.

And btw, in case you don't know, some Greeks viewed their universe as infinite, others saw it as finite. So your argument is completely irrelevant. The Titans were also embodiments of abstract concepts, like Celestial Axis (that was imaginary), time, memory, love, etc....

If anything I agree that the "regular" Zeus is weak in comparison to other deities like Ra, Brahma, the three Pure Ones, etc...

@kingkronos said:

@Dark King: I felt like I needed to intervene here. So you're saying that the Greek's universe was the size of a solar system, right? And what makes Quetzalcoatl's mythology any different? I mean, you did provide pictures about how the Greek's viewed the universe, but the picture you provided for Quetzalcoatl's world is from Asura's Wrath, that has nothing to do with his mythology.

In Quetzalcoatl's mythology, the universe was created out of a monster, don't come and tell me that their universe is bigger and get pictures from a game that is actually based on another mythology.

And btw, in case you don't know, some Greeks viewed their universe as infinite, others saw it as finite. So your argument is completely irrelevant. The Titans were also embodiments of abstract concepts, like Celestial Axis (that was imaginary), time, memory, love, etc....

If anything I agree that the "regular" Zeus is weak in comparison to other deities like Ra, Brahma, the three Pure Ones, etc...

What are you referring to by "regular Zeus"?

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos said:

@Dark King: I felt like I needed to intervene here. So you're saying that the Greek's universe was the size of a solar system, right? And what makes Quetzalcoatl's mythology any different? I mean, you did provide pictures about how the Greek's viewed the universe, but the picture you provided for Quetzalcoatl's world is from Asura's Wrath, that has nothing to do with his mythology.

In Quetzalcoatl's mythology, the universe was created out of a monster, don't come and tell me that their universe is bigger and get pictures from a game that is actually based on another mythology.

And btw, in case you don't know, some Greeks viewed their universe as infinite, others saw it as finite. So your argument is completely irrelevant. The Titans were also embodiments of abstract concepts, like Celestial Axis (that was imaginary), time, memory, love, etc....

If anything I agree that the "regular" Zeus is weak in comparison to other deities like Ra, Brahma, the three Pure Ones, etc...

What are you referring to by "regular Zeus"?

Hesiod's version.

@kingkronos: Yet Hesiod's Zeus can still destroy a universe. I want to see Quetzalcoatl do that.

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Yet Hesiod's Zeus can still destroy a universe. I want to see Quetzalcoatl do that.

I know, but I mean, he's still weak compared to the Supreme deities like Brahma, Atum-Ra, etc..

@kingkronos: Yep.

@ShootingNova: my vote is still similar, just want to convo

@Rumble Man: Sure.

if this is myth and not marvel

zeus takes a giant σκατά on them

The OP is a little vague on the specifications of which version of Zeus this is. It would make a large difference.

@Deranged Midget said:

The OP is a little vague on the specifications of which version of Zeus this is. It would make a large difference.

He said the "most common one". But that depends on where you are and where you are learning from.

Hesiod's Zeus can destroy a universe, here's the quote:

And now his thunder bolts would Jove [Zeus] wide scatter, but he feared the flames, unnumbered, sacred ether might ignite and burn the axle of the universe: and he remembered in the scroll of fate, there is a time appointed when the sea and earth and Heavens shall melt, and fire destroy the universe of mighty labour wrought. Such weapons by the skill of Cyclops forged, for different punishment he laid aside--for straightway he preferred to overwhelm the mortal race beneath deep waves and storms from every raining sky.

-- Taken from http://www.theoi.com/Heros/Deukalion.html

Homer's Zeus can defeat Gaia (the Earth) and Typhon (a hundred-headed monster with unnumbered hands with serpent fingers which reached out and grabbed the East and West, whose head(s) brushed the stars, whose roar shook the heavens and was the off-spring of Gaia and Tartarus, Earth and Hell respectively) simultaneously. Furthermore, Quetzalacoatl battling with another was only enough to damage and widely affect the Earth, but not actually defeat it. Homer's Zeus can also defeat all the other Olympians combined.

Pelasgian Zeus blinkstomps.

Orphic Zeus...... let's just not get into that, okay? Because truthfully, Orphic Zeus soloes Marvel, DC, Image, Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, LOTR, Harry Potter and virtually all other fiction verses simultaneously.

@ShootingNova: Yeah the most common statement doesn't really help.

I fail to see how either Odin or Quetz would stand a chance against Homer's or Orphic Zeus. Hesiod's is debatable.

@Deranged Midget: Yes, they also don't stand a chance against Pelasgian (even more powerful than Homer's).

Why is Hesiod's so debatable? I mean, it's possible, but unlikely from what I've seen. Unless I see some universe-destroying feats.

@ShootingNova: It's not so debatable, just that he's less... absolute in a sense in comparison to Homer and Orphic.

Zeus reigns supreme!

@Deranged Midget: Yep.

@Deranged Midget said:

@ShootingNova: It's not so debatable, just that he's less... absolute in a sense in comparison to Homer and Orphic.

Actually, Homer's Zeus is not absolute either. The only one who is truly absolute is Orphic. Homer's Zeus fears Nyx, who would have turned on him with a maternal fury had he turned his wrath on her son, Hypnos (Sleep). Although Hypnos was bugging him, and every time he got threatened, he fled to his mother, Nyx. And then Zeus was forced to hold his wrath at bay.

@ShootingNova: Also don't forget Homer's Zeus incredible strength. Homer stated that he is able to overpower the earth, sky, and all gods. And all of them combined won't be able to pull him.

@kingkronos said:

@ShootingNova: Also don't forget Homer's Zeus incredible strength. Homer stated that he is able to overpower the earth, sky, and all gods. And all of them combined won't be able to pull him.

And what is physical strength going to do or mean to these gods? He can overpower them with strength, then what? I know he can defeat all the other Olympians together, and overpowering Gaia and Ouranos is not too impressive.....

@ShootingNova: Why doesn't it matter? Strength can be very useful. Overpowering Gaia and Ouranos is impressive.

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

Well non immortal gods can be killed. Zeus can just toss the earth or the sky on Odin.

Feathered Serpent Pwns.

@kingkronos said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

Well non immortal gods can be killed. Zeus can just toss the earth or the sky on Odin.

Odin created the Earth and Sky.......

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

Well non immortal gods can be killed. Zeus can just toss the earth or the sky on Odin.

Odin created the Earth and Sky.......

Odin and his brothers did that.

@mightyzeus said:

zeus he is like God in greek mythology especially when he took down his father kronos and he also defeated the monster god typhon who was so powerful that even gods ran from him

he is the god of gods..

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

Well non immortal gods can be killed. Zeus can just toss the earth or the sky on Odin.

Odin created the Earth and Sky.......

Zeus apparently created it as-well. Zeus's dad ate all his sisters and bro's

@Pyrogram said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

Well non immortal gods can be killed. Zeus can just toss the earth or the sky on Odin.

Odin created the Earth and Sky.......

Zeus apparently created it as-well. Zeus's dad ate all his sisters and bro's

Zeus never created Earth or sky. Gaia is the earth and she was self-created, emerged from the nothingness (Chaos) prior to creation. Gaia was the one who created the sky (Ouranos). Odin with his 2 other brothers created the sky and earth.

Ymir was a frost-giant, but not a god, and eventually he turned to evil. After a struggle between the giant and the young gods, Bor's three sons killed Ymir. So much blood flowed from his wounds that all the frost-giants were drowned but one, who survived only by builiding an ark for himself and his familly. Bor's sons dragged Ymir's immense body to the center of Ginnungagap, and from him they made the earth. Ymir's blood became the sea, his bones became the rocks and crags, and his hair became the trees. Bor's sons took Ymir's skull and with it made the sky. In it they fixed sparks and molten slag from Muspell to make the stars, and other sparks they set to move in paths just below the sky. They threw Ymir's brains into the sky and made the clouds. The earth is a disk, and they set up Ymir's eyelashes to keep the giants at the edges of that disk.

@kingkronos said:

@Pyrogram said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

Well non immortal gods can be killed. Zeus can just toss the earth or the sky on Odin.

Odin created the Earth and Sky.......

Zeus apparently created it as-well. Zeus's dad ate all his sisters and bro's

Zeus never created Earth or sky. Gaia is the earth and she was self-created, emerged from the nothingness (Chaos) prior to creation. Gaia was the one who created the sky (Ouranos). Odin with his 2 other brothers created the sky and earth.

Ymir was a frost-giant, but not a god, and eventually he turned to evil. After a struggle between the giant and the young gods, Bor's three sons killed Ymir. So much blood flowed from his wounds that all the frost-giants were drowned but one, who survived only by builiding an ark for himself and his familly. Bor's sons dragged Ymir's immense body to the center of Ginnungagap, and from him they made the earth. Ymir's blood became the sea, his bones became the rocks and crags, and his hair became the trees. Bor's sons took Ymir's skull and with it made the sky. In it they fixed sparks and molten slag from Muspell to make the stars, and other sparks they set to move in paths just below the sky. They threw Ymir's brains into the sky and made the clouds. The earth is a disk, and they set up Ymir's eyelashes to keep the giants at the edges of that disk.

Ow ok. But zeus is more powerful still. also means nothing, Even if odin created the earth zeus can throw it on him, If I create a dagger you can stab me with it.

@Pyrogram: Well the Hesiod version of Zeus is on pars with Odin. In Hesiod-ism Zeus has shown to be able to destroy the universe, his true "form" can incinerate any non-god being. Odin on the other hand, does not have that kind of firepower, although he's much faster, (Odin is faster than Thor who can move at the speed of light).

Homer's version of Zeus absolutely destroys Odin. Since Zeus is able to pull all the gods, earth, and sky combined, with pure strength alone. He is stated to be more powerful than all the Olympians combined. And is the master of the three fates. Odin on the other hand is subject to fate (The norns of Norse mythology are gods of destiny and fate, and they are more powerful than the gods) Zeus is the master of the three sisters of fate, and therefore can destroy Odin any second.

Let's not get into the Orphic version, because that's a completely another level of Zeus.

@kingkronos said:

@Pyrogram: Well the Hesiod version of Zeus is on pars with Odin. In Hesiod-ism Zeus has shown to be able to destroy the universe, his true "form" can incinerate any non-god being. Odin on the other hand, does not have that kind of firepower, although he's much faster, (Odin is faster than Thor who can move at the speed of light).

Homer's version of Zeus absolutely destroys Odin. Since Zeus is able to pull all the gods, earth, and sky combined, with pure strength alone. He is stated to be more powerful than all the Olympians combined. And is the master of the three fates. Odin on the other hand is subject to fate (The norns of Norse mythology are gods of destiny and fate, and they are more powerful than the gods) Zeus is the master of the three sisters of fate, and therefore can destroy Odin any second.

Let's not get into the Orphic version, because that's a completely another level of Zeus.

lol. So yer, zeus wins? Go greeks :D

@Pyrogram said:

@kingkronos said:

@Pyrogram: Well the Hesiod version of Zeus is on pars with Odin. In Hesiod-ism Zeus has shown to be able to destroy the universe, his true "form" can incinerate any non-god being. Odin on the other hand, does not have that kind of firepower, although he's much faster, (Odin is faster than Thor who can move at the speed of light).

Homer's version of Zeus absolutely destroys Odin. Since Zeus is able to pull all the gods, earth, and sky combined, with pure strength alone. He is stated to be more powerful than all the Olympians combined. And is the master of the three fates. Odin on the other hand is subject to fate (The norns of Norse mythology are gods of destiny and fate, and they are more powerful than the gods) Zeus is the master of the three sisters of fate, and therefore can destroy Odin any second.

Let's not get into the Orphic version, because that's a completely another level of Zeus.

lol. So yer, zeus wins? Go greeks :D

Yes.

@Pyrogram said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

Well non immortal gods can be killed. Zeus can just toss the earth or the sky on Odin.

Odin created the Earth and Sky.......

Zeus apparently created it as-well. Zeus's dad ate all his sisters and bro's

No, he didn't. Gaia (the Earth, Roman Equivalent Terra) was the first to emerge from Chaos, the great Void of Space (as of Hesiod's theogony). In others, Nyx (Night, Nox in Latin/Roman), Tartarus (Hell, also referred to as Tartarus in Roman Mythology) and Erebus (Darkness). Gaia (out of Parthenogensis) gives birth to Uranus/Ouranos/Oranos (Heavens/Sky, Roman Equivalent Caelus), and Pontus (the Seas, only in Hesiod's).

@kingkronos said:

@Pyrogram said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos said:

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Because even if Zeus overpowers them with physical strength, what is he going to do then?

Well non immortal gods can be killed. Zeus can just toss the earth or the sky on Odin.

Odin created the Earth and Sky.......

Zeus apparently created it as-well. Zeus's dad ate all his sisters and bro's

Zeus never created Earth or sky. Gaia is the earth and she was self-created, emerged from the nothingness (Chaos) prior to creation. Gaia was the one who created the sky (Ouranos). Odin with his 2 other brothers created the sky and earth.

Ymir was a frost-giant, but not a god, and eventually he turned to evil. After a struggle between the giant and the young gods, Bor's three sons killed Ymir. So much blood flowed from his wounds that all the frost-giants were drowned but one, who survived only by builiding an ark for himself and his familly. Bor's sons dragged Ymir's immense body to the center of Ginnungagap, and from him they made the earth. Ymir's blood became the sea, his bones became the rocks and crags, and his hair became the trees. Bor's sons took Ymir's skull and with it made the sky. In it they fixed sparks and molten slag from Muspell to make the stars, and other sparks they set to move in paths just below the sky. They threw Ymir's brains into the sky and made the clouds. The earth is a disk, and they set up Ymir's eyelashes to keep the giants at the edges of that disk.

I can tell you quoted that, partly at least. Bor's three sons are called Odin, Vile and Ve. As for the eyelashes, yes, it keeps giants away, but it is held by dwarves at each corner (the heavens, rather, were held by four dwarves, one at each corner). So that does show the Dwarves being incredibly powerful physically. Ymir is sometimes considered a god, despite being the Primordial Frost Giant/Frost Jotnar, and also, he never turned evil, although he is attested to have been evil originally.

@kingkronos said:

@Pyrogram: Well the Hesiod version of Zeus is on pars with Odin. In Hesiod-ism Zeus has shown to be able to destroy the universe, his true "form" can incinerate any non-god being. Odin on the other hand, does not have that kind of firepower, although he's much faster, (Odin is faster than Thor who can move at the speed of light).

Homer's version of Zeus absolutely destroys Odin. Since Zeus is able to pull all the gods, earth, and sky combined, with pure strength alone. He is stated to be more powerful than all the Olympians combined. And is the master of the three fates. Odin on the other hand is subject to fate (The norns of Norse mythology are gods of destiny and fate, and they are more powerful than the gods) Zeus is the master of the three sisters of fate, and therefore can destroy Odin any second.

Let's not get into the Orphic version, because that's a completely another level of Zeus.

I don't know if Odin is on-par with Hesiod's Zeus. Hesiod's Zeus can destroy the universe, but I don't know how Odin can keep up with that. However, Odin moves beyond time so yes, Zeus is still bound by time despite having partial power over it.

You've also forgotten Pelasgian Zeus, who also destroys Odin with a thought.

@Pyrogram said:

lol. So yer, zeus wins? Go greeks :D

Definitely.

@ShootingNova: By powerscaling Odin should be able to do the same. Bear in mind that Thor can shake the universe, Odin is much more powerful. And there's the issue of speed. Odin is much faster than Zeus. So, I think he stands a good chance.

I didn't bring up Orphic and Pelasgian Zeus for obvious reasons.

@kingkronos: Thor shook what held the universe together, hence he shook the universe overall, but more or less he did it indirectly. Odin is beyond time, so there is no category of "speed" to him. If it's killable gods, then Odin one-shots.

@ShootingNova: So the Thor thing doesn't count or what?

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Thor shook what held the universe together, hence he shook the universe overall, but more or less he did it indirectly. Odin is beyond time, so there is no category of "speed" to him. If it's killable gods, then Odin one-shots.

Zeus is also beyond time since the battle between him and typhon destroyed the universe and then phusis recreated it.

@kingkronos: Hopefully you understood it in the first place......

@justleader: I know that. But Zeus wasn't born before time, he just has control over time.

@ShootingNova said:

@kingkronos: Hopefully you understood it in the first place......

@justleader: I know that. But Zeus wasn't born before time, he just has control over time.

Doesn't mean that he isn't beyond it, his battle with typhon destroyed the universe (space and time) and he still lived........

@justleader: Sources do indicate that the universe was only nearly destroyed. But Zeus can destroy a universe as well, so yeah.

But Zeus manipulates space and time to do so. But even if you control time, you aren't faster than someone who is beyond time. Meaning time doesn't affect them. That's Odin.

@ShootingNova said:

@justleader: Sources do indicate that the universe was only nearly destroyed. But Zeus can destroy a universe as well, so yeah.

But Zeus manipulates space and time to do so. But even if you control time, you aren't faster than someone who is beyond time. Meaning time doesn't affect them. That's Odin.

no, it actually was destroyed since it is stated that phusis then recreated the universe.

Zeus can be unaffected by time

@justleader: Actually, when something is like, 95% destroyed, it's simply considered as destroyed. Phusis could have very well created that 95% again. Or something different.

And you are going to have to prove Hesiod's can. The only thing he can do is manipulate time to a universal extent, but he is not beyond time, because he father (Kronos) was time.

@ShootingNova said:

@justleader: Actually, when something is like, 95% destroyed, it's simply considered as destroyed. Phusis could have very well created that 95% again. Or something different.

And you are going to have to prove Hesiod's can. The only thing he can do is manipulate time to a universal extent, but he is not beyond time, because he father (Kronos) was time.

No it is stated that phusis recreated the universe not 95% of it.

He still was when there was no time so........

@justleader: You've just ignored what I said, didn't you? They don't state if it's 95%. They just round if off. But it still considered as destroying the universe, either.

What? Time exists outside of one universe, you do know that, right?

@ShootingNova said:

@justleader:

What? Time exists outside of one universe, you do know that, right?

Not in greek mythology, in greek mythology there is one universe and time and space exist only in this universe, everything beyond that will become outside time and space.

@justleader: In Greek mythology, some of them viewed the universe as finite. If that was the case, then there would be more space-time.

But this is so off-topic. You still haven't proven to me that Zeus existed before Kronos.

@ShootingNova said:

@justleader: In Greek mythology, some of them viewed the universe as finite. If that was the case, then there would be more space-time.

But this is so off-topic. You still haven't proven to me that Zeus existed before Kronos.

LOL it doesn't matter that some viewed the universe as finite, in the scriptures it is written as the infinite universe.

You don't have to exist before time to be beyond time.

@justleader: Umm... scriptures (different ones) have viewed it as both finite and infinite.

I know that, but all that makes him his a time-warper. Not a beyonder (not the character LOL).