Mystique's Brotherhood vs Secret Warriors.

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#1  Edited By Snickersss

Somehow the Secret Warriors go back in time and have to fight the brotherhood of evil mutants.
 
The Secret Warriors are Nick Fury, Quake, Eden Fesi, Slingshot, and Stonewall
 
and the brotherhood inlcudes Mystique, Pyro, Avalanche, Blob and Destiny
 
The Secret Warriors are at their current strength and the brotherhood is at the strength they were at when the team was form or during their first fight. 
 
Morals are on and they are fighting in some random abandoned city. 
 
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#2  Edited By Erik

You mean Freedom Force?

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#3  Edited By Snickersss
@erik:
Well yeah I guess so. haha
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#4  Edited By cattlebattle
@erik:
Freedom Force had other members, Brotherhood is correct. 
 
Organized under Destiny and if Blob is at his 70's levels they win
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(Entertainment only,no debate. Mr. Flickers was a fanfiction idea from some writer on ff.net) 
 
"So,Fury,you and your stormtroopers think you're going to arrest us? You got another thing coming,"Mystique said coldly,unleashing a torrent of bullets. Slingshot blitzed forward,and slammed Mystique with her bo staff. Growing a pair of wings,Mystique flew into the sky,and fired her two pistols, but could not hit Slingshot. Nick Fury fired his gun into the air,and struck Mystique in the stomach. Using her healing factor it regrew. Mystique shot Fury in the heart,killing him instantly. 
 
"She got Fury!"Eden Fesi yelled furiously,teleporting into the air above Mystique,and kicked her in the head. Meanwhile,Stonewall had discarded Destiny,but Blob had bested him in pure strength and durability. 
 
Pyro created a flame dragon that he named Mr. Flickers with his flames. "HAHAHAHA! Get them,Mr. Flickers!"he cackled insanely. 
 
Slingshot ran forward,and prepared to punch Pyro,but Avalanche created an earthquake,making her stumble. Pyro used a flamethrower to burn her alive. Blob had beaten Stonewall to death. 
 
Eden Fesi teleported to and fro. He had taken down Mystique and Pyro,but him and Quake couldn't hold off the Brotherhood much longer. Quake engaged Avalanche in combat. Immune to each other's powers,they chose hand to hand combat. Avalanche's brawler style as no match for Quake's SHIELD training. He was defeated instantly. Blob, the only remaining Brotherhood member, rushed Quake, and tackled her crushing her to death. 
 
For almost twenty minutes, Eden avoided Blob,but Eden eventually tired,and Blob crushed the teleporter to death.

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Can't Destiny pretty much predict the SW every move?

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@cattlebattle said:
" @erik: Freedom Force had other members, Brotherhood is correct.  Organized under Destiny and if Blob is at his 70's levels they win "
There never was a Mystique's Brotherhood to my knowledge. Not including one or two members from the Freedom Force when the rest of the team is still there, still makes it Freedom Force. 
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Ther most certainly was a Mystique led Brotherhood, FF had Super Sabre, Spiral and others after losing them they still went by Freedom Force even when they fought Desert Ghost (or whatever). They also went by Brotherhood
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@cattlebattle said:
" Ther most certainly was a Mystique led Brotherhood, FF had Super Sabre, Spiral and others after losing them they still went by Freedom Force even when they fought Desert Ghost (or whatever). They also went by Brotherhood "
Not a whole lot in this post is clear. The only team Mystique ever led was Freedom Force. Just because they said that they were a brotherhood does not mean that they called themselves the Brotherhood. Especially when the initial line-up left the actual Brotherhood to join Mystique's Freedom Force. Mystique was a member of the Brotherhood of Mutants, sure. But she never led that incarnation of the team. 
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#10  Edited By charlieboy
@erik:
no mystique led the brotherhood of evil mutants before she led freedom force. it was her, blob, avalanche, pryo, and destiny. a later addition was rogue. read days of future past.
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Mystique led the Brotherhood in the Days Of Future Past story arc.

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" @erik: no mystique led the brotherhood of evil mutants before she led freedom force. it was her, blob, avalanche, pryo, and destiny. a later addition was rogue. read days of future past. "

I would hardly call leading a single mission grounds for saying Mystique was their leader. When Xavier ran the school, he was the leader despite how many battles Cyclops led the team into. 
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@erik:
that was just the first time that group appeared. they fought the x-men and the avengers on several occaisions after that. she led the brotherhood until she made a deal with the government and it became freedom force.
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@erik said:
" @charlieboy said:
" @erik: no mystique led the brotherhood of evil mutants before she led freedom force. it was her, blob, avalanche, pryo, and destiny. a later addition was rogue. read days of future past. "
I would hardly call leading a single mission grounds for saying Mystique was their leader. When Xavier ran the school, he was the leader despite how many battle Cyclops led the team into.  "
To be fair she led a reformed version of the Brotherhood.
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@erik said:

" @cattlebattle said:
" Ther most certainly was a Mystique led Brotherhood, FF had Super Sabre, Spiral and others after losing them they still went by Freedom Force even when they fought Desert Ghost (or whatever). They also went by Brotherhood "
Not a whole lot in this post is clear. The only team Mystique ever led was Freedom Force. Just because they said that they were a brotherhood does not mean that they called themselves the Brotherhood. Especially when the initial line-up left the actual Brotherhood to join Mystique's Freedom Force. Mystique was a member of the Brotherhood of Mutants, sure. But she never led that incarnation of the team.  "



 

 
 


No... They never called themselves the Brotherhood (sarcasm enclosed)

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@cattlebattle:  
See above post.  (Condescending tone implied) 
 
@Jake Fury said: 
To be fair she led a reformed version of the Brotherhood. "
To me that is splitting hairs. They were the Freedom Force but still called themselves BoEM for one single mission. 
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@charlieboy said:
" @erik: that was just the first time that group appeared. they fought the x-men and the avengers on several occaisions after that. she led the brotherhood until she made a deal with the government and it became freedom force. "
Issues?
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@erik said:
" @cattlebattle:  
See above post.  (Condescending tone implied) 
 
@Jake Fury said: 
To be fair she led a reformed version of the Brotherhood. "
To me that is splitting hairs. They were the Freedom Force but still called themselves BoEM for one single mission.  "

Your above post contradicts itself You said they called themselves the Brotherhood, but that does not mean they called themselves the Brotherhood
 
 
WTF does that mean, and it says Mystique led a version of the Brotherhood ON THIS SITE!!
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#19  Edited By charlieboy
@erik:
uncanny 142, 158, 177, 178, avengers annual 10. these were all before they became freedom force. i think they became freedom force around uncanny 200.
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Read this (condescending tone)

Marvel Super Heroes (2nd series) #11:Destiny's prophecies foretell that Ms. Marvel will one day cost Rogue her soul. To prevent this Mystique sends Avalanche and Pyro to kill her. Unknowingly they interfere in a weapons deal between some smugglers and the Hellfire Club I .
Uncanny X-Men #140:The Blob breaks out of prison with the help of a device "that lady lawyer" gave him.
Uncanny X-Men #141-142:The new Brotherhood of Evil Mutants (Mystique, Destiny, Avalanche, Blob and Pyro) is fully introduced, the Blob at first does not feel comfortable accepting a woman as leader. Their plan is to assasinate Senator Kelly, a politician with anti-mutant views. The X-Men can interfere in time because a Kitty Pryde from the future takes over Kitty's body and warns them. All but Mystique are captured.
Marvel Super Heroes (2nd series) 11:Rogue overheard Mystique and Destiny talking about the threat Ms. Marvel poses. She decides to ambush her on her own, not knowing that this battle was exactly the threat Destiny foresaw. Rogue permanently absorbs the memory and powers of Carol Danvers, which will torment her for a very long time.
(Note: Shortly before the issue's end there is a continuity error as Destiny is seen in Mystique's room alerting her that Ms. Marvel returned to San Francisco, but actually Destiny is supposed to be in prison at the time.)
Avengers Annual #10:With Ms. Marvel’s powers, Rogue takes the Avengers by surprise. Then she and Mystique are able to break the rest of the Brotherhood out of prison. Due to the timely help of Spider-Woman I (Jessica Drew) the Avengers are able to win this battle and imprison the Brotherhood again, with only Rogue and Mystique making their getaway.



In between
  • Avalanche breaks out of prison and tries to build a reputation of his own by blackmailing the seismically unstable California with his earthquakes. When he encounters the Hulk, he tries to smash him, but since his powers only work on inanimate objects, he instead shatters the bones of his own arms. He is put into custody again. [Incredible Hulk (2nd series) #263]


    Chronology continued
    Uncanny X-Men #158:With the help of Carol Danvers, the X-Men sneak into the Pentagon to delete their data files. In one of the corridors they run into Rogue, there visiting Mystique in her Raven Darkholme identity. The X-Men keep Rogue busy while Carol continues the task, only to get interrupted by Mystique. Still she succeeds and erases the records.
    Rom #31:Rogue and Mystique are able to free the rest of the team from prison. Rom discovers the break-out and is able to render Blob, Pyro and Avalanche unconscious, because they attack unorganized. Mystique is angry about them not following her orders; she decides to leave them in prison for a while longer and leaves with Rogue and Destiny.
    Rom #32:Hybrid, a foe of Rom and the X-Men, allies with the three females against Rom. Yet, upon learning his plans for world domination they start to fight him too. Rogue's potential for goodness is seen here for the first time.
    Dazzler #22-23:The female Brotherhood members plot revenge against the X-Men. They assault the Angel, the only publically known X-Man at the time. Fortunately Dazzler is with him and able to drive them off. The Brotherhood decides to lay low for a while, but Rogue develops a major grudge against Dazzler.
    Dazzler #24:Rogue goes after Dazzler, and in the end she is defeated with the help of Power-Man and Iron Fist. Dazzler tells her that the X-Men are believed dead. (They had been kidnapped to outer space by the alien Brood.)
    Dazzler #28:Against the warnings of Mystique and Destiny, Rogue seeks out Dazzler for another battle and loses once again.
    Uncanny X-Men #170:Mystique hallucinates about being the chased animal in a formal hunting session. Two of the attendants are Jason Wyngarde and Jean Grey. Mastermind caused this illusion, because he wants revenge for the blown weapons deal in Marvel Super Heroes (2nd series) #11. After awaking from the dream, Mystique and Destiny are discussing Rogue, when Destiny suddenly receives a precognitive flash about her. Checking Rogue’s room, they discover that she has left - to ask Charles Xavier for help with her uncontrollable powers.
    Uncanny X-Men #177-178:After training to fight the X-Men in Arcade's Murderworld, the newly reunited Brotherhood attacks them on a night out. Mystique wants to get Rogue back from the X-Men, and won’t take No for an answer. The outcome of the battle is a draw. The X-Men defeat the Brotherhood members in New York, but Mystique has Xavier as a hostage. Rogue explains to Mystique that she joined the X-Men of her own free will and will not go back. The X-Men allow the villains to leave in exchange for Xavier’s safety.
    Uncanny X-Men #183-185, Marvel Fanfare (1st series) #40:Mystique in her guise as Raven Darkholme learns about a mutant inhibitor shotgun that is going to be used on Rogue by the government. She discusses with Destiny the chance for Rogue to lead a normal life. On the night before the incident Mystique alerts Storm of the threat. Right after Storm left Mystique talks to Destiny about the latter’s vision: Whoever rushes to help Rogue will get hurt! The prophecy turns out to be correct; for as the gun is fired Storm throws herself in the way and loses her powers instead of Rogue.



    In between
  • Rogue joined the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #171 and has been reforming from her criminal past ever since. She still considers Mystique her foster mother and meets her from time to time. The grudge between her and Dazzler was eventually resolved in Uncanny X-Men #221-222, after they both saved each others lives as co-members of the X-Men.
  • Spiral made her debut in Longshot #1, on sale a month before she appears with Freedom Force. After her first mission with them, she concluded her task in Longshot #3-6 and then returned to the team to bother the X-Men a lot more.
  • During the Secret Wars limited series, Earth's heroes met a new heroine – Spider-Woman II. Flashbacks in Avengers West Coast #84 not only revealed Spiderwoman II's origin but also that she was placed into Freedom Force by Val Cooper some time after the Secret Wars.


    Chronology continued
    Uncanny X-Men #199:Mystique makes a proposition to Valerie Cooper, offering the Brotherhood’s services to the government as Freedom Force, in exchange for full pardons and official sanction. They have to prove themselves by bringing in Magneto, who currently is with the X-Men. They also gain a new member in Spiral. Fortunately for them, Magneto decides himself that he needs to atone for his past and he turns himself in without much of a fight.
    Uncanny X-Men #206:A small task force consisting of Pyro, Avalanche, Spiral, Blob and new member Spider-Woman are able to surprise and defeat the X-Men in San Francisco. Just before they can take them into custody, some local police officers intervene. Since the X-Men are considered heroes in San Francisco and committed no crimes there, they are free to go.
    X-Factor (1st series) #8:Freedom Force plan their next assignment: Rusty Collins. When they arrive in Central Park, where Destiny foretold to meet him, Spiral senses a strong aura and leaves (to take Rachel to the Mojoverse in Uncanny X-Men #209). The others start to battle the just arrived X-Factor. In the confusion Rusty and Skids slip away.
    X-Factor (1st series) #9:Freedom Force tracks Rusty to the Morlock tunnels, where Skids took him. Another fight start as X-Factor shows up too, in their X-Terminators guise. The Blob sees through the guise of „new“ mutant freedom fighters, as they are portrayed as in the public eye, and recognizes them as the original X-Men he has fought in the past. Suddenly Destiny "sees" the Mutant Massacre, the imminent slaughtering of everyone in the Morlock tunnels, which is why Mystique orders her team to retreat.
    X-Factor (1st series) #10:Freedom Force discovers the link between X-Factor and the X-Terminators, and Mystique gives the press a hint that Warren Worthington III, the well known public mutant Angel, financially backs up the "mutant hunters".
    Avengers Annual #15, West Coast Avengers Annual #1:The Avengers are accused of treason. Freedom Force defeats and captures both the East and the West Coast teams. Spider-Woman, who knew the Avengers from Secret Wars, has doubts about the heavy-handed tactics and kangaroo court the Avengers are forced through. She frees the Avengers, knowing that this will end her Freedom Force membership. The rest of the team wants to help to recapture the Avengers, but the government gives the assignment to someone else.



    In between
  • Spider-Woman’s story continues in Spectacular Spider-Man #126 and Iron Man (1st series) #214, where she is forced back into government service under the Commission, who keep her under their thumb for years. Eventually, she would join the Avengers West Coast (#71), the team she betrayed Freedom Force for.
  • Crimson Commando, Super Sabre and Stonewall were introduced as a trio of World War II veterans, now performing self-justice. The then powerless Storm defeated them in Uncanny X-Men #215-216 and handed them over to the authorities.


    Chronology continued
    Captain America (1st series) #333-334:The newly-hired Captain America, John Walker, is sent by Val Cooper to train against Blob, Pyro and Avalanche. He doesn't really have the knack for using a shield in battle, and really muddles his way through, but manages to defeat Avalanche and Pyro before the Blob nearly squeezes the life out of him and Val intercedes. Freedom Force, especially Blob, make fun of the new Cap.
    Uncanny X-Men #223:After the debacle with Spider-Woman, Val Cooper brings three new members to the team: the World War II veterans Stonewall, Super Sabre and Crimson Commando. Destiny foretells that the X-Men will die in Dallas.
    Uncanny X-Men #224:Val Cooper introduces the media to the idea of Freedom Force. Meanwhile, Mystique approaches Rogue about Destiny's vision.
    Uncanny X-Men #225-227:The X-Men visit Forge's Eagle Plaza to search for Storm, but Freedom Force meets them and plans to take them into custody. Mystique's main reason is to save Rogue from dying (like in Destiny's vision). A battle between the groups rages until suddenly the sky opens up. The two teams now not only face each other but a magical foe - the Adversary. As chaos breaks loose, the teams agree to work together. Meanwhile national TV arrives to record the whole event. Upon the return of Storm and Forge from Elsewhere a solution becomes clear. Forge casts the Spirit Spell, sacrificing the lives of the X-Men to contain the Adversary. The media and Freedom Force watch helplessly as this occurs, and Mystique blames Forge for Rogue's death. Unknown to them the X-Men are resurrected by Roma.
    New Mutants (1st series) #65:Magik plans revenge on Forge for killing the X-Men. As she and the New Mutants attack him, Freedom Force intervenes, since Destiny was able to predict the plot. After a long fight "Forge" is revealed as Mystique, the Mutants leave then for the real Forge.
    X-Factor (1st series) #30-31:Cyclops and Jean Grey want to talk to Freedom Force about the X-Men, since they were with them before they "died". But Freedom Force want them to sign for the Mutant Registration Act. Incredibly the pair beats the odds of nine to two and receive from Destiny the information they came for.
    Captain America (1st series) #339:Back in their governmental base, the Blob laughs about the sacrifice the X-Men made in Dallas.
    Captain America (1st series) #346:The government wants to capture the Resistants , a group violating the Registration Act. They get their attention through a fake trial against “Quicksilver“, actually Mystique in disguise. The other members act as judge, lawyer and jury. Yet it is Capatin America (John Walker) who defeats the Resistants.
    X-Factor (1st series) #33:After watching X-Factor defeat the Alliance of Evil , some Freedom Force members show up to take the villains into custody.
    X-Factor (1st series) #40:X-Factor hands over rescued mutant children and babies to Freedom Force, who promise that the government will trace their parents.
    Daredevil (1st series) #269:Blob and Pyro have to make a young mutant girl register, but Daredevil saves the girl. Spiral angrily teleports the pair back to their headquarters.
    Marvel Comics Presents #41:Freedom Force frees Senator Kelly, who was held hostage by a south american drug syndicate.
    New Mutants (1st series) #78, 80, 82:Right in the middle of a crisis with Danielle Moonstar, the New Mutants have to face Freedom Force, who once again try to capture Rusty Collins for not registering. Skids protects him with her force field and tells the New Mutants to go to Asgard and deal with the crisis. While they are away Freedom Force simply cuts out the ground on which the force field stands. With the ground-slice and the two mutants in the force bubble they leave. After long hours Skids faints and lowers the force field. Both she and Rusty are arrested.
    Uncanny X-Men #254-255:Forge asks Valerie Cooper for help when Muir Island is attacked by the Reavers . Reluctantly Mystique accepts, even though she doesn’t have the full team at hand. (Spiral, Crimson Commando and Super Sabre are said to be on another mission) While Stonewall gets killed by Donald Pierce during the fight, and Avalanche receives heavy injuries from Lady Deathstrike. Destiny who remained on the sidelines dies at the hands of Legion. The mentally disordered boy got in a blood-rush caused by fighting the Reavers. Destiny foresaw her own death, but chose not tell Mystique about it.
    Avengers (1st series) #312, Punisher (2nd series) #29:With Mystique gone griefing for Destiny (as can be seen in X-Factor Annual #6), some members return to their formal criminal activities. During the Acts of Vengeance, the Blob, Avalanche (supposedly healed) and Pyro attack the Avengers unprovoked.
    Hulk (2nd series) #369:Mystique returns and is angry about her team’s performance. The fight with the Avengers reopened Avalanche’s stitched wounds, forcing him to stay out of action for a while. Mystique is assigned to investigate a monster sighting in New York; she sends her team out to capture the grey Hulk. During the fight Crimson Commando has doubts about his future with the team. He sees a lot of differences in age and maturity between him and other members like Pyro and Blob.
    New Mutants (1st series) #86-89:After Rusty and Skids escape from prison they face the Vulture and fight him. They win the battle but are totally exhausted and easy prey for a small task force of Freedom Force. A new villain team surfaces: the Mutant Liberation Front . They are seen battling Cable and later free Rusty and Skids to include them in their ranks. Cable who was found unconscious on the scene is interrogated by Freedom Force, but declines to join them. He is able to escape from Freedom Force's quarters, but they follow. By chance he runs into the New Mutants who help him drive them off.
    Marvel Comics Presents #82-87:Anonymously Emma Frost gives Freedom Force the personal data file of Firestar, Angelica Jones. Mystique wants her to register or join Freedom Force, but Firestar refuses. In the battle her father gets hurt. After a mysterious group of scientists make sure that he survives, they name the price - Mystique. They lie about only wanting to take a few cell samples, but when Firestar delivers them the unconscious Mystique, she realizes that far more is at stake. She then not only has to fight the rest of Freedom Force, but the scientists as well. Still she is able to free Mystique, who is grateful and ceases her attack on her. Through the whole incident, Spiral seemed to get more and more bloodthirsty.
    Marvel Graphic Novel "Avengers - Deathtrap: the Vault":A prison break is underway at the Vault, and the Avengers and Freedom Force are called in to stop it. Freedom Force begins digging a tunnel into the Vault when they are attacked by Hydro Man and nearly drown. He and his comrades use Freedom Force to trap some of the Avengers. Fortunately, other Avengers are able to rescue them before the plan succeeds. The two teams get into a morality conflict over the use of force on prisoners. They are interrupted by Venom and some of his cronies, who admit to the "heroes and pseudo-heroes" that they are all desperate to destroy the warden's bomb, and so a temporary truce is formed. Thunderball, Iron Man, and Hank Pym go to disarm it, while the rest of the Avengers and Freedom Force are trapped in Klaw's sound cage as hostages to guarantee good behaviour on the heroes' part. The bomb is disarmed at the last minute and then the heroes escape the cage, leading to a free-for-all battle between the prisoners and two teams. Eventually, the inmates are subdued thanks to the efforts of Crimson Commando, Iron Man and Pym.
    Uncanny X-Men #266, 269:Val Cooper under the mental hold of the Shadow King visits Mystique, who already expected her. Destiny left a note that foretold this meeting - Val is there to kill her. Later Val appears in the news and tells that Mystique was killed by an as-of-yet unidentified person.
    New Mutants Annual #7, Uncanny X-Men Annual #15, X-Factor Annual #6:The remaining team (Blob, Pyro, Super Sabre, Avalanche and Crimson Commando) is sent to Iraq to liberate an important scientist. Unexpectedly they face a local super team called Desert Sword that kills Super Sabre and critically wounds Commando. The other members try to escape but get separated. Blob and Pyro kill the scientist to make sure he does not fall into the wrong hands. Disgusted Avalanche gets the badly wounded Crimson Commado to safety leaving his fellow members behind. The Blob and Pyro have to surrender to the Iraqi army.



    Afterwards
  • Spiral was not a known villain when she joined. In fact she just got to this dimesion in pursuit of Longshot. Her reasons for joining were to learn about this world. Most of the time she was very arrogant and followed her own agenda, for example in X-Factor (1st series) #8, where she left during the middle of a fight. In later appearances she grew more and more bloodthirsty and started to behave almost insane. After Marvel Comics Presents #87, she ran away from the team. In X-Factor Annual #7 Val Cooper and X-Factor capture her, and learn her reasons and her origin. They let her go back to the Mojoverse.
  • Even though she is dead, Destiny still has much of an impact on history. Some of her prophecies are still carrying out, like Forge and Mystique getting together (see Uncanny X-Men #290 or later on in the Mywstique solo series). Also, as was much later discovered, Destiny left behind thriteen hand-written journals, predicting the future for years to come. [X-Men (2nd series) #94 and #105] A team of X-Men embarked on a quest to search for these mysterious diaries, but some of them were never uncovered.
  • Mystique was not actually shot by Val in the previously mentioned story. In X-Factor (1st series) #69-70 it was revealed that the strong willed Val refused to obey the Shadow King's command; instead she reversed the gun and shot herself. Mystique immediately contacted Nick Fury, who saw to it that Val got the needed medical attention and also arranged for the shapeshifting Mystique to be hypnotized into believing herself as Val, so the Shadow King did not notice the exchange. This enabled them to get the drop on the Shadow King in Uncanny X-Men #269, destroying his host at the time.
  • Pyro and the Blob got lucky. Instead of being executed in Iraq, they became personal body guards of the commanders. Later the Toad bartered for them, to get them to join his version of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants IV.
  • Avalanche and Commando (as he called himself later) reappeared in X-Men (2nd series) Annual #2. By then, Commando was a heavily-rebuilt cyborg. They both continued to work for the government, but Avalanche later returned to villainy.
  • Right before dying from the Legacy virus, Pyro prevented another assasination attempt on Senator Kelly. [Cable (1st series) #87]

       
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    #21  Edited By charlieboy
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    good info dude.
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    #22  Edited By cattlebattle
    @charlieboy:
    I got it from Uncannyxmen.net that website is the shiznit
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    #23  Edited By charlieboy
    @cattlebattle:
    yeah it is a really good site.
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    #24  Edited By Erik
    @cattlebattle said: 
    Your above post contradicts itself You said they called themselves the Brotherhood, but that does not mean they called themselves the Brotherhood  WTF does that mean, and it says Mystique led a version of the Brotherhood ON THIS SITE!! "
    My above post does not contradict itself. You just ran your little peepers too far up and read the wrong post. That version was Freedom Force.  
     
    @charlieboy said:
    " @erik: uncanny 142, 158, 177, 178, avengers annual 10. these were all before they became freedom force. i think they became freedom force around uncanny 200. "
    142 was the FP storyline, 158 just had Mystique and Rogue, 177 and 178 are one arc but they are accurate as well as the annual. I just checked. That is three missions. Again, hardly qualifying as officially leading anything. 
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    #25  Edited By charlieboy
    @erik:
    also the dazzler issues, and the marvel superheroes issues, and the other issue that were stated in cattlebattle's earlier posts. mystique led the brotherhood for awhile they became freedom force later on. and yes, 158 was just mystique and rogue but they were still members of the brotherhood.
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    #26  Edited By Erik
    @charlieboy said:
    " @erik: also the dazzler issues, and the marvel superheroes issues, and the other issue that were stated in cattlebattle's earlier posts. mystique led the brotherhood for awhile they became freedom force later on. and yes, 158 was just mystique and rogue but they were still members of the brotherhood. "
    So you are going to lean on someone else's hearsay? Not a very strong way to debate.  
     
    When Wolverine is off on his own and attacks someone, do they say, "I was just beat up by the X-Men!" 
     
    As far as his references, I will check them. If he is wrong, I will be sure to let him know that it would be wise to have your own facts rather than relying on someone else's word. If he is right, well I cannot be expected to win every battle, so meh. 
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    #27  Edited By charlieboy
    @erik:
    well i have actually read the dazzler issues. and the marvel superheroes issues. in the marvel superheroes issues it details how rogue get's ms, marvel's powers. i know he is right about those. mystique was the leader of the brotherhood of evil mutants.
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    Brotherhood wins. Destiny forecasts their opponents' every move.

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    #29  Edited By Erik
    @charlieboy said:
    " @erik: well i have actually read the dazzler issues. and the marvel superheroes issues. in the marvel superheroes issues it details how rogue get's ms, marvel's powers. i know he is right about those. mystique was the leader of the brotherhood of evil mutants. "
    Well I concede. Obviously, I missed some critical issues. I will be checking the references anyway. 
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    #30  Edited By cattlebattle
    @erik:
    lol, dude it's ok to admit your wrong, I guess in your world for a team to exsist the presumed leader has to march around saying "I'm the Leader of ___"  
     
    You can look it up on anything Wikipedia, Marvels website, THIS WEBSITE!!, The origin of this argument: Mystique did indeed lead a version of the Brotherhood of Mutants, that were known about as the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants
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    #31  Edited By charlieboy
    @erik:
    it is cool. those are some pretty good stories. you should check them out.
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    #32  Edited By Erik
    @cattlebattle said:
    " @erik: lol, dude it's ok to admit your wrong, I guess in your world for a team to exsist the presumed leader has to march around saying "I'm the Leader of ___"   You can look it up on anything Wikipedia, Marvels website, THIS WEBSITE!!, The origin of this argument: Mystique did indeed lead a version of the Brotherhood of Mutants, that were known about as the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants "
    You must be really smart because, you know, you obviously read that I already conceded minutes before your post yet still decided to post this nonsense. 
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    #33  Edited By cattlebattle
    @erik:
    Wow being snide? thats cool. FYI, I posted that  seconds after your last one, so I couldn't have seen into the future. So i didn't see it. so I guess your the smart one.
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    #34  Edited By Erik
    @cattlebattle said:
    " @erik: Wow being snide? thats cool. FYI, I posted that  seconds after your last one, so I couldn't have seen into the future. So i didn't see it. so I guess your the smart one. "
    Quick tip: 
     
    2 minutes =/= seconds. 
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    #35  Edited By Snickersss

    Oh wow this got out of hand I did not think that the name would matter that much. 
     
    I was just going off of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants page on here, and it says Mystique lead the Brotherhood for a little bit.