@solar_powered said:
Using the chocolate being doesn't mean Goku gave Kid Buu such a hard fight that he had to resort to using a last ditch type move.
he only time Buu ever resorted to that technique in combat was when he was either danger or his opponent was troublesome. When Fat Buu used it on Grey Buu, he was being dominated. Buuhan used it on Vegetto out of desperation. Good Buu used on Kid Buu, who was life beaten out of him. Goku munches down on Buu's head which causes him to scream out in pain, and he retaliated by attempting to Zap him. Nothing there implies that Buu was in control or toying.
at Buu used the attack on regular humans and he was clearly toying with them. I think Kid Buu did the same to Fat Buu during their fight, and he was clearly in control of the entire duel.
Whenever Fat Buu used the chocolate beam on humans, it was because he was hungry or was following Babidi's orders. He never used it in a fight, unless he was at a very distinct disadvantage.
Kid Buu never uses the chocolate beam against Fat Buu. he only uses it in manga
While Goku overestimating his body's limits certainly plays a part in the bigger picture we still have Goku admitting that "Kid Buu is far stronger than he ever could have imagined”.
When does Goku say that?
Kid Buu also have the upper hand at several points in the battle.
When? Their skirmish was mere 10 pages long in the manga, and Goku and Kid Buu are dead even. At no point does Kid Buu control the fight.
During one of which Goku himself realized and this was before the Ki drain took effect that he didn't have enough power to finish Buu off.
Actually, Goku doesn't realise until after he attempts to gather his Ki. He was confident that he could gather the Ki needed in one minute prior. It is only after minute that he started to notice his power falling. And thats when he deduced that his living body drained more Ki and a dead one.
Regeneration or not Kid Buu was still shrugging off attacks powerful enough to cause damage to the Kai Planet (larger, tougher than earth) to be visible from space. Something that Super Buu did not hold up well against and was heavily wounded by such techniques
You cant judge one's power biased on the on collateral damage and the size of their attacks. Going by that logic, Roshi>Goku since he one shotted the moon. Goku's IT Kamehameha, a stated planet buster, was vastly more powerful than Vegeta's big bang attack(on Cyborg 19), despite fact that Vegeta's blast causes more collateral damage. DBZ ki blasts are unquantified. Moreover, the sample you provided is anime filler.
His body not being able to sustain SS3 certainly played a part in his loss, but the fact remains that Kid Buu was a much tougher opponent than Goku gave him credit for and that is why fails
As I already mentioned, Goku failing was purely because of is falling stamina, and the fact that Kid Buu did not get any weaker and kept coming back. The fight between Goku and Buu was quick paced, and no matter what Goku did, Buu stayed fresh because of his superior stamina. Because of this, Goku did not get the chance to gather his Ki for the attack needed to finish him off, which is why he needed Vegeta to buy him time. The fight really wasn't that long in the manga. It was a brief skirmish.
When was it suggested that Goku intended for them to fight at SSJ. Not saying I don't believe it but I'd like to see it, also where did you get the 8x multiplier?
Why wouldn't Goku intend for the boys to fight at their maximum(as super saiyans). Base Gotenks is SSJ2 tier at best. He and Piccolo both knew that Gotenks' base form wasn't strong enough to contend with Buu. Piccolo's intent was always for them to fight as Super siayns His statement was proved correct when Gotenks returns all beaten and bloodied.
I went off the the official super saiyan multipliers. SS1 is 50 x base. SSJ2 is 2 x SSJ. And SSJ3 is 4 x SSJ2. SS2 Gotenks would twice as strong as SSJ Gotenks, making him twice as strong as SSJ3 Goku. SSJ3 Gotenks is four times stronger than SSJ2 Gotenks, making him 8x stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Gohan is somewhat stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks, but how many times stronger is anyone's guess.
This is the bottom line, really.
Goku clearly points out that he and Vegeta wouldn't stand a chance if they left Buu's body, and would be killed if they attempted to fight him. Then, after escaping and watching Evil Buu revert to Buff Buu, Goku note's that his strength was increasing. But Immediately after Kid Buu appears: Goku says “We did it! This way, we might be able to manage something.” It is argued that "they were judging him on size and not the size of his Ki". However, note that only Vegeta makes mention to Buu's size. Not once does Goku once reference to it. Buu's Ki spiked but dropped right back down after he reverts. Why the sudden change in attitude if Buu's Ki didn't drop to a level where Goku thought he might have a chance. Goku was starting to worry when Buff Buu appeared. And before that, he outright admitted that they'd be killed, and was begging Vegeta to fuse with him. Goku is a simple guy and is always very blunt when comparing Ki. Always. He told Piccolo that he didn't stand a chance against Cell, and told Vegeta to his face that he had surpassed him. He had no qualms admitting his inferiority to Gohan and Cell, and even said that he'd be killed if he slipped up once.
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