#1 Edited by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio

 Mutant Leader
         
 Nightwing
 

LOCATION

The junk yard where the Mutant Leader and Batman first fought.  
 

RULES

  • Random encounter
  • Grayson has standard escrima sticks
  • In character
  • Standard elimination rules apply
  • Begin 15 feet apart
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#2 Posted by laflux (15888 posts) - - Show Bio

new-52

#3 Posted by PlasticBag (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Quick question in part 2 of the Dark Knight Returns it's said that Superman is in it does that mean Batman and Supes will fight? Anyway I think Nightwing takes it seeing that Batman at such an old age was able to fight the Leader. Nightwing is in his prime and youth he shouldn't have to much trouble.

#4 Posted by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@PlasticBag: Yes, they likely will. 
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#5 Posted by sync1 (2967 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing wins this.

#6 Posted by PlasticBag (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Oh boy the fan boys won't like that. In all seriousness though how does old Batman plan on fighting Superman? Do you know when Part 2 comes out gonna be defiantly picking it up.

#7 Posted by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@PlasticBag: The answers you seek are in 'The Dark Knight Returns' ;) 
 
No, I don't know when the release date for part 2 is.. I just know it'll be in 2013.
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#8 Posted by jashro44 (21605 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing should probably win. The mutant has some great pain tolerance but I think nightwing is more skilled and probably faster. The mutant was fast for batman but that was partially because batman was old. So I think nightwing should be able to match his speed since he is more in his prime.

#9 Posted by PlasticBag (1222 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Alright thanks to be honest I didn't plan on watching either parts of this movie, but now that I know Superman is involved it's got me interested. Thank you for your help.

#10 Posted by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@PlasticBag: Anytime.
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#11 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

@PlasticBag said:

@k4tzm4n: Alright thanks to be honest I didn't plan on watching either parts of this movie, but now that I know Superman is involved it's got me interested. Thank you for your help.

Read the comics, man. The Dark Knight Returns is one of the greatest Batman stories ever written.

About the battle: I see Nightwing as fast enough to avoid ML, since the Leader more focused on strength and pure outmuscling of Batman, at least to my recollection. Bruce said something to the effect of "I shouldn't have tried to take him on strength-to-strength. He's too ferocious, too powerful for me now." I read the fight as Bats basically brawling at the beginning, and by the time he tried to use skill he was too weakened to pull it out. If Dick doesn't try to brawl, which he's never really shown to do, I think he can take it.

#12 Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek (20238 posts) - - Show Bio

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

#13 Posted by ComicStooge (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

#14 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

#15 Posted by jashro44 (21605 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Yes but that was because batman fought him in some mud and he couldn't move as fast in the mud.

#16 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Yes but that was because batman fought him in some mud and he couldn't move as fast in the mud.

The same place this battle is taking place?

#17 Edited by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@Xanni15 said:

@jashro44 said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Yes but that was because batman fought him in some mud and he couldn't move as fast in the mud.

The same place this battle is taking place?

Batman had ML lured to that specific location.  This is where their first fight takes place, simply a random spot in the junk yard.  No mud pit nearby ;)
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#18 Posted by ComicStooge (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Actually, Robin had to save him, I think.

#19 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Nightwing.

#20 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@ComicStooge said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Actually, Robin had to save him, I think.

All right. :]

#21 Posted by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Actually, Robin had to save him, I think.

All right. :]

Robin saved Batman in the first fight.  The second fight (in the mud) Batman won on his own.
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#22 Posted by ComicStooge (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Actually, Robin had to save him, I think.

All right. :]

Robin saved Batman in the first fight. The second fight (in the mud) Batman won on his own.

Why do you think that was, that Bats couldn't beat him at first, but took win on and won later?

#23 Posted by ComicStooge (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

Anyway, I think Grayson's got this. His superior skill, agility and speed should be enough to take the Mutant Leader down, considering how used he'd be to fighting bigger guys, and honestly, he's fought bigger then the Mutant Leader.

#24 Edited by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@ComicStooge said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Actually, Robin had to save him, I think.

All right. :]

Robin saved Batman in the first fight. The second fight (in the mud) Batman won on his own.

Why do you think that was, that Bats couldn't beat him at first, but took win on and won later?

Batman was too slow for him and tried to beat him through strength and talent on even ground.  He couldn't.  The mud made their speed even and gave him the opportunity to fight smarter and land more damaging strikes (for example, the nerve strike to his arm).
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#25 Posted by ComicStooge (12790 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

@ComicStooge said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@Xanni15 said:

@ComicStooge said:

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

Any feats on Mutant Leader?

He beat the snot out of an older Batman.

And then was beat down by an older Batman, right?

Actually, Robin had to save him, I think.

All right. :]

Robin saved Batman in the first fight. The second fight (in the mud) Batman won on his own.

Why do you think that was, that Bats couldn't beat him at first, but took win on and won later?

Batman was too slow for him and tried to beat him through strength and talent on even ground. He couldn't. The mud made their speed even and gave him the opportunity to land more damaging strikes (for example, the nerve strike to his arm).

Ah, so he beat him using the environment? Clever.

#26 Posted by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't have scans, but someone has the fights on youtube. 
    
 
First fight @ 2:35

  Second fight begins @ 2:18
   
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#27 Posted by God_Spawn (37878 posts) - - Show Bio

I was gonna come in here and Cyclops wins her der der because mutant leader haha, I so funny. And then I realized...he's dressed like Nightwing right now too....ruined my chance.

Anyways, I'd probably give it to Nightwing. Bruce was old in his fight and Nightwing is a little more agile than Bruce in his prime. He should be more skilled than the leader anyway and with Grayson's upgraded electro escrima sticks and other new gadgets he should be able to pull the victory here.

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#28 Posted by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn: He just has "regular" escrima sticks for this battle.
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#29 Posted by God_Spawn (37878 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: I just woke up, GIVE ME A BREAK K4TZM4N!! >:o.

I still see Grayson taking it with superior agility and skill. And he's been employing new tech often too like his sonic disks which might give opening edges. Though I could see a case for the leader due to pain tolerance, strength and just enough skill.

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#30 Posted by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn: The only break you'll get: 
 
    
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#31 Posted by God_Spawn (37878 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: This is just gonna get us in another Cyclops blasts Bane pic with you posting Bane breaking Cyclops' face.

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#32 Posted by k4tzm4n (43555 posts) - - Show Bio
@god_spawn: Not to mention the unlimited possibilities of the mutant gang having Cyclops visors :D
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#33 Posted by God_Spawn (37878 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: Let it be done.

The X-Man
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#34 Posted by entropy_aegis (15312 posts) - - Show Bio

Um k4tz,Damian owned Mutant Leader.Granted he was obviously not as experienced as he would later go on to become but Damian is still a kid while the Mutant is an adult in incredible shape.(Batman Incorporated #1).

Simply put ML is just a fairly strong,fast and skilled human,a vastly watered down version of Bane at best,Dick owns him.

#35 Posted by Rick_Grayson (776 posts) - - Show Bio
@entropy_aegis said:

Um k4tz,Damian owned Mutant Leader.Granted he was obviously not as experienced as he would later go on to become but Damian is still a kid while the Mutant is an adult in incredible shape.(Batman Incorporated #1).

Simply put ML is just a fairly strong,fast and skilled human,a vastly watered down version of Bane at best,Dick owns him.

Agree with this, he is Bane without the brain.
#36 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@sync1 said:

Nightwing wins this.

#37 Posted by Pokergeist (22351 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: My official break Down.

As seen Batman is hitting Nerve Clusters and Damaging areas. The Mutant Leader is totaly unaffected. Batman has Strength to clips the Tallest Tower in Gotham while holding a 200+ Pound Man. Yet his best shot is laughed at.

Batman then beats him by slowing him down in Mud and Blinding him with Eye chops and Mud to the Face. Yet Mutant Leader is still getting hits in. It takes Batman breaking every Arm and Leg to win the match with his Skill......

Now no Human has EVER broke from Non Tampered Hand cuffs. Those Hand Cuffs are not even standard Arresting Handcuffs. Those are Prison Shackles and are restricting the Mutant Leaders Strength to Rip them Apart.

Now Dick has a host of Feats but what we do know is the Mutant Leader more than match a Older (but still Peak Human in Durability and Strength) as skilled All Star Batman.