@draciosv:
Wizards would not know who to copy or how to get anywhere near the people to copy in our world: Really??? Cause they seemed to have no problem placing Kingsley as the aide to the Prime Minister of England without anyone noticing. Which means he had to pass a crap ton of security and background checks and in his position had access to every major player in the British government. So if they can do that in one country why exactly could they not do that in another? The entire point of Kingsley being there was so the Prime Minister would not come under Voldemort's control through mind control.
We can just watch important people at all times or give them sensors: Of course the ones watching them could be witches and wizards given my point above.
If they take only the appearance of the person and cant get near him to access info: If a witch or wizard takes the form of a person they'll need a piece of that person so the likely odds are that they have them and thus can extract information from them. Even if we aren't talking mind control Voldemort and his followers have no problem with torture.
Then their screwed. Most of our government you can't see: I'm not really sure which government you think you're referring to because every major leader and player in politics in the world are known, shown on t.v. almost daily, followed by press all the time...should I go on?
You can also do retinal scans and DNA scans. A lot of things are secure: of course polyjuice potion transforms a person completely into another person (side note: why is it that Barty Crouch sounded exactly like Mad Eye and the seven Potters all sounded alike but Harry and Ron didn't sound like Crabbe and Goyle and Hermione didn't sound like Beautrix???? The proficiency of the potion maker possibly???) so why wouldn't that include retinal or fingerprint? Also, there is no device that scans for DNA....that is an extensive lab process that technology doesn't allow to happen by pressing your finger on a pad.
Your spells don't work when someone takes cover: Really? Fiendfyre seemed to do pretty well destroying the entire Room of Requirement. Not much room to hide when you're in the middle of an inferno. No much use cover when a spell can simply blow that cover and the surrounding area apart.
and then shotgun is going to blow them apart faster then they can flip theirwand: Considering the fact adult wizards perform the majority of their magic without invocation or the need for much wand movement the spell is cast nearly as fast as the witch or wizard can think which is going to beat the physical act of pulling the trigger on a shotgun or any hand-held weapon for that matter.
Any head to head fight, we'll win easily especially with a soldier having better reflexes, tactics and use of cover rather then mindless charging: Because no witch or wizard has ever used cover in battle....like say the cafe fight between Harry, Ron, Hermione and two Death Eaters. Or Harry's team in the Department of Mysteries running from Malfoy's group? Or the battle between Death Eaters and the Order of the Phoenix after that? Or most of the close-in fighting during the Battle of Hogwarts? And of course no soldier or group of soldiers ever charge into a situation.....nope, every soldier is a highly trained SEAL/Delta/Black Ops expert with the exact same level of training and proficiency. And of course the magical community doesn't have Aurors and law enforcement personnel trained and experienced in combat....that would be crazy.
They is literally nothing they can do about a lot of things. Like a cruish missile. Or a MOAB: Of course there is nothing Muggles can do about any spell a witch or wizard can cast. At least against conventional arms the witch or wizard can leave the area, generate a shield, or.....shocking as this would be.....shoot the missile down or search for mines disrupt the landscape to search for mines. A missile doesn't fly faster than the human eye can see it.....in fact most missiles are detected by the sight of their launch flash, smoke trail, or other visual means before radar will pick them up (you're free to argue this point with my if you'd like....I've only been trained for 10 years on how to defend Naval vessels against missile attacks....of course you can just watch CNN or Fox News and see camera footage of missile taking off or flying over Israel or Gaza these days and see the visual signs for yourself) so while a Muggle would be screwed seeing a missile inbound to him/her a witch or wizard isn't as defenseless.
Even if they know they are coming, they don't necessarily know when, from where, or how they are coming. They can't do anything to a sniper they can't see. Even if they hear him, they'll confused as to his werabouts as they all slowly get picked off by people who truly do know how to wage war:and of course it would be impossible for the magical community to create a spell, if they don't already have one, which would protect them from a bullet. They figured out how to survive being burned at the stake by making the flames tickle vice burn. I can see them being surprised at first but once that is done and they negate the advantage what then? Muggles have no defense against magic. Of course I haven't even delved into the number of ways witches and wizards know to make themselves invisible and undetectable to each other let alone Muggles. Hard to kill something you can't see or even know is there.
You keep coming back to this idea that the magical community doesn't know how to wage war when the books are filled with wars that witches and wizards have fought right under the noise of muggles. all the wars against the goblins, the two wars against Voldemort, great battles like Dumbledore versus Grindleward (think I spelled that wrong).....they don't live in some Utopian society that has forgone violence for the last millenium. They've had they're conflicts just as the Muggle world as.
This entire debate comes down to two big points:
1) Who has the better intelligence on the other side. Answer: the magical community. They've been misdirecting Muggles for centuries and not just through magic. They know how to hide, how to move around in plain sight, who the leaders are, how to get to them. You name it. Yes, most witches and wizards don't understand Muggle society.....they fact they don't know Muggle currency has absolutely nothing to do with knowing their military or intelligence capability.
2) Who can best defend themselves from the other side. Answer: the magical community. Muggles have ZERO DEFENSE AGAINST MAGIC. On the other hand the magical community has shown it can operate against Muggle means of security and have devised spells in the past to protect themselves from harm or Muggle persecution. So even if the Muggles gain an advantage in one battle they could lose it in the next through spell creation.
Nukes are a laughable consideration. You're never going to get a group to stay in one location long enough to effectively employ a nuke. This isn't Starcraft. We can't keep a Ghost invisible and 30 seconds later a bomb drops from the sky. Yes, tactical missiles can be used that way but you'll never get enough opponents in one shot to make it effective. This is why these types of attacks are conducted against immobile, ground targets....bunkers, factories, cities, etc. Not troops moving through a region that can scatter the impact sight. That's not taking into consideration magical shielding.....remember, Voldemort's forces were bombarding the shield with hundreds of spells for awhile before he finally took the thing out. It had already been weakened. A single missile strike may not take out the wizard encampment and if not all they have to do is apparate to a new location and the strike resulted in nothing.
The issue of tanks was brought up.....another weapon that is not a practical means of fighting small troop forces. Tanks were designed as siege breakers and then modified to combat other tanks. They can shield troops but aren't a first weapon against opposing foot-based forces. Plus, while the Killing Curse may not do anything to it the books alone have discussed spells that can blow apart walls, take out buildings, the movies showed two or three Death Eaters tearing about a bridge...combine that with invisibility, shielding, and other magical advantages and the tank doesn't seem so great anymore.
The only potential advantage Muggles have is based around electricity and electrical fields. As noted in the books too much electrical wiring and the resulting electrical fields play havok with magic. Not negate it, just mess with it. So that's something at least but not a concept that would be apparent because the Muggle world is not aware of magic and so hasn't had centuries, like the magical community has the Muggle world, to study it and determine a weakness.
Of course this post isn't just a reply to your comments but to anyone on this thread that thinks the answer is as simple as "drop a nuke" or "they won't see our snipers" and that's the end of it. Looking at everything presented in both book and film the overwhelming evidence is that the magical community is far more capable in a war between magical and muggle, has had more time to study their enemy, knows more about their enemy, knows how to hide intelligence from the enemy, knows how to hide from the enemy, and can adapt their arsenal to counter the tactics of the enemy far better. Neither side is adapt at fighting the other but at the same time both sides have combat capable personnel.
The only advantage to Muggles is numbers because the only true way for Voldemort to wage war on the Muggle world is to have the entire magical world behind him, which would never actually happen. He'd be fighting a two pronged war. He may have won the Battle of Hogwarts and secured Britain but the entire rest of the magical community spread around the globe, including the other Schools of Witchcraft and Wizardry, would either have to fall in-line with him or he'd spend years conquering them first and then constantly fighting off resistances.
This is where the Rowlings' story falls short in the concept that Voldemort is some world-wide threat. His presence is barely felt in Europe let alone the rest of the world. We never get the sense of just how much more organized the wizarding world is outside of the British Ministry of Magic (aside from a few mentions of dealing with one other Ministry) nor what the other areas of the world think of Voldemort's ideology. Thus is threat to the entire human population is made mute by just how much his actions have actually affected the world at large.
In the end his best move would be to take control of various governments and initiate a Third World War. Get the Muggles to kill each other down to a manageable level while he conquers the magical community. When the world has exhausted itself from battle it would more openly accept someone who could, from a Muggle perspective, perform miracles and provide the protection and conditions to live in peace albeit as second class citizens, if not worse. Rowlings skimmed this idea when presenting the idea of ruling Muggle's for their own good that Dumbledore and Grindleward shared in their youth with the timeframe of their conflict fitting into the time period of the Second World War. If we look at how Voldemort is portrayed through the series this is a philosophy he tends to share as well but implements more aggressive means to achieve it to the point where his Death Eaters lock into an idea of simply wiping out Muggles and take pleasure in doing it.
But I digress from the thread topic at hand.
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