#1 Posted by miker31 (27 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms.Marvel vs. Piper Halliwell

Who will win?

TKO, Death, Gives up

#2 Posted by AgeofHurricane (7268 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know, if Piper was still pregnant with Wyatt then I'd go for her, Ms Marvels invulnerable so Pipers normal powers would have close to no affect. Ms Marvel.

#3 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10084 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms.Marvel is too fast for Piper. Couldn't Carol just knock her unconcious before Piper could freeze, toss a combustion blast or try to cast a spell? The OP needs more details.

#4 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

Ms.Marvel is too fast for Piper. Couldn't Carol just knock her unconcious before Piper could freeze, toss a combustion blast or try to cast a spell? The OP needs more details.

piper could stop time maybe before ms marvel moves

#5 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10084 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

Ms.Marvel is too fast for Piper. Couldn't Carol just knock her unconcious before Piper could freeze, toss a combustion blast or try to cast a spell? The OP needs more details.

piper could stop time maybe before ms marvel moves

If she could, like with just a thought, then I think she would win, especially if they start far enough apart. Piper needs to cast her freeze with hand movement though, meaning she has to think and then physiscally react to cast the freeze before Carol blasts her with a photon beam or blitz KO's her. With her super human reflexes, I think Carol has the advantage here to attack before Piper can.

#6 Posted by charlieboy (7153 posts) - - Show Bio

if carol speedblitzes then i think she wins. if not piper wins.

#7 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (3914 posts) - - Show Bio

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

Ms.Marvel is too fast for Piper. Couldn't Carol just knock her unconcious before Piper could freeze, toss a combustion blast or try to cast a spell? The OP needs more details.

piper could stop time maybe before ms marvel moves

If she could, like with just a thought, then I think she would win, especially if they start far enough apart. Piper needs to cast her freeze with hand movement though, meaning she has to think and then physiscally react to cast the freeze before Carol blasts her with a photon beam or blitz KO's her. With her super human reflexes, I think Carol has the advantage here to attack before Piper can.

Carol has to think and gesture to fire a photon blast too. Demons are superhuman and she does fine freezing them, her power to freeze is always used after an attack has been directed at her and she rarely gets hit, and has stopped things split seconds before they would have touched her. This makes it seems as if anybody with a gun or a blast power can't tag Ms. Marvel and that is not true, Pyro has tagged her before and he has to think, gesture and think again to control the fire, Piper should be able to freeze her even if Carol fires first, her explosion power should be useless against Carol, but she can always cast a spell, after the freeze.

#8 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10084 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

Ms.Marvel is too fast for Piper. Couldn't Carol just knock her unconcious before Piper could freeze, toss a combustion blast or try to cast a spell? The OP needs more details.

piper could stop time maybe before ms marvel moves

If she could, like with just a thought, then I think she would win, especially if they start far enough apart. Piper needs to cast her freeze with hand movement though, meaning she has to think and then physiscally react to cast the freeze before Carol blasts her with a photon beam or blitz KO's her. With her super human reflexes, I think Carol has the advantage here to attack before Piper can.

Carol has to think and gesture to fire a photon blast too. Demons are superhuman and she does fine freezing them, her power to freeze is always used after an attack has been directed at her and she rarely gets hit, and has stopped things split seconds before they would have touched her. This makes it seems as if anybody with a gun or a blast power can't tag Ms. Marvel and that is not true, Pyro has tagged her before and he has to think, gesture and think again to control the fire, Piper should be able to freeze her even if Carol fires first, her explosion power should be useless against Carol, but she can always cast a spell, after the freeze.

There really is no comparison from Charmed with respect the demons reaction speed. Carol's reflexes are superhuman, the demons are not. If the demons had superhuman reaction speed they would be easily tagging the Charmed Ones on a regular basis. There isn't a showing for Piper to prove she could freeze Carol first, let alone attempt to cast a freeze before getting hit by a light speed photon blast. Or getting blitzed faster than she can think.

#9 Posted by Nefarious (18883 posts) - - Show Bio

Excuse my ignorance, but who is Piper Halliwell and what can she do? Anything impressive?

#10 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (3914 posts) - - Show Bio

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

Ms.Marvel is too fast for Piper. Couldn't Carol just knock her unconcious before Piper could freeze, toss a combustion blast or try to cast a spell? The OP needs more details.

piper could stop time maybe before ms marvel moves

If she could, like with just a thought, then I think she would win, especially if they start far enough apart. Piper needs to cast her freeze with hand movement though, meaning she has to think and then physiscally react to cast the freeze before Carol blasts her with a photon beam or blitz KO's her. With her super human reflexes, I think Carol has the advantage here to attack before Piper can.

Carol has to think and gesture to fire a photon blast too. Demons are superhuman and she does fine freezing them, her power to freeze is always used after an attack has been directed at her and she rarely gets hit, and has stopped things split seconds before they would have touched her. This makes it seems as if anybody with a gun or a blast power can't tag Ms. Marvel and that is not true, Pyro has tagged her before and he has to think, gesture and think again to control the fire, Piper should be able to freeze her even if Carol fires first, her explosion power should be useless against Carol, but she can always cast a spell, after the freeze.

There really is no comparison from Charmed with respect the demons reaction speed. Carol's reflexes are superhuman, the demons are not. If the demons had superhuman reaction speed they would be easily tagging the Charmed Ones on a regular basis. There isn't a showing for Piper to prove she could freeze Carol first, let alone attempt to cast a freeze before getting hit by a light speed photon blast. Or getting blitzed faster than she can think.

Demons are superhuman in every aspect from strength to durability, they are not human to begin with. Whenever she freezes an energy attack is proof (fireballs, energy balls, lightning, bullets etc...), and like I said you don't need to have superior reflexes to tag Ms Marvel, because it's been done by people with normal human everything before, and this is an area freeze anyway much more effective. Carol does not move that fast, nobody is getting blitzed before they think when it comes to her.

#11 Posted by Vance Astro (91123 posts) - - Show Bio
@LordOfAllHumans said:

Demons are superhuman in every aspect from strength to durability, they are not human to begin with. Whenever she freezes an energy attack is proof (fireballs, energy balls, lightning, bullets etc...), and like I said you don't need to have superior reflexes to tag Ms Marvel, because it's been done by people with normal human everything before, and this is an area freeze anyway much more effective. Carol does not move that fast, nobody is getting blitzed before they think when it comes to her.

Unless you can prove Piper has superhuman reflexes..I don't see why she's not getting blitzed.The whole "you don't need to have superior reflexes to tag" Ms.Marvel thing is only in comics with plot devices and writing.Not based on her fighting to the best of her ability and actually using her speed.
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#12 Posted by LordOfAllHumans (3914 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

Demons are superhuman in every aspect from strength to durability, they are not human to begin with. Whenever she freezes an energy attack is proof (fireballs, energy balls, lightning, bullets etc...), and like I said you don't need to have superior reflexes to tag Ms Marvel, because it's been done by people with normal human everything before, and this is an area freeze anyway much more effective. Carol does not move that fast, nobody is getting blitzed before they think when it comes to her.

Unless you can prove Piper has superhuman reflexes..I don't see why she's not getting blitzed.The whole "you don't need to have superior reflexes to tag" Ms.Marvel thing is only in comics with plot devices and writing.Not based on her fighting to the best of her ability and actually using her speed.

unless Piper is blind or has her back turned all she needs to do is move her hands slightly, she doesn't need to be superhuman, she has frozen lightning bolts, multiple bullets and a knife two inches from her face, we are to assume she is just as prepared to fight as her opponent. She also froze "the Aggressor" a magically created superbeing with superhuman speed.

#13 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (10084 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@Vance Astro said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

Demons are superhuman in every aspect from strength to durability, they are not human to begin with. Whenever she freezes an energy attack is proof (fireballs, energy balls, lightning, bullets etc...), and like I said you don't need to have superior reflexes to tag Ms Marvel, because it's been done by people with normal human everything before, and this is an area freeze anyway much more effective. Carol does not move that fast, nobody is getting blitzed before they think when it comes to her.

Unless you can prove Piper has superhuman reflexes..I don't see why she's not getting blitzed.The whole "you don't need to have superior reflexes to tag" Ms.Marvel thing is only in comics with plot devices and writing.Not based on her fighting to the best of her ability and actually using her speed.

unless Piper is blind or has her back turned all she needs to do is move her hands slightly, she doesn't need to be superhuman, she has frozen lightning bolts, multiple bullets and a knife two inches from her face, we are to assume she is just as prepared to fight as her opponent. She also froze "the Aggressor" a magically created superbeing with superhuman speed.

I forgot about that episode (I thought it was hella corny but I liked it lol). But from what I remember of the "Agressor" could have tagged Piper and the others right from the beginning of when he appeared in the mansion. The sisters were all surprised by his appearance and would have all been tagged immediately had Piper not been told by Leo (or maybe it was another Elder....it's been awhile) to cast her freeze, and even then, I think he resisted it. TBH, until the Charmed One's were given super-speed themselves they really couldn't contend with the Agressor. They were able to fight him once they were given superspeed themselves, and then vanquished him later on once his super powers were taken away.

Nothing Piper has done under her own power in the show from what I recall supports her having a reaction time to cast a freeze, combustion blast or spell at speeds to support her being able to pull it off before Carol speedblitz KO's her or hits her with a photon beam. The demons she fought on the show would first generate a fireball, ball of lightning, etc. in their hands and would then toss it at their target, giving the Charmed One's time to react. And even then, with the lightning balls, the demon's powers traveled at a much slower speed than the actual thing. Nothing superhuman about that. Demons were demons but they did nothing to prove they were above human level reaction speed in the vast majority of their appearances.

Piper won't get that luxury with Carol.

#14 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

carol

#15 Posted by BMEZY (1206 posts) - - Show Bio

piper did freeze bullets in mid stream back in season 2

#16 Edited by ComicMan24 (147042 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, she has stopped bullets a lot of times in the show and in Season 7 she managed to destroy a Celerity demon that could move faster than light, although that killed her in the process. Anyway has Ms. Marvel ever speedblitzed anyone? And something I was wondering about her. Does she possess any form of superspeed other than when she is flying?