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#1 Edited by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

Who would win?

Morals: Off

No Prep

Win: Death

#2 Posted by TheSuperHuman (856 posts) - - Show Bio

Good match-up. I say Ms. Marvel after a heavy battle.

#3 Posted by Trinity00 (2504 posts) - - Show Bio

Win in what a strip dance contest?

#4 Edited by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven stomps...

#5 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8247 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven wins,she's more powerful than her father

#6 Posted by Vance Astro (91061 posts) - - Show Bio
@Iamlovewithin500 said:
Raven Rapes
Don't use "rape" in battle forums.
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#7 Posted by Joygirl (18022 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven should win solidly, don't see Ms. Marvel having what it takes to resist her powers. She'll have to be quick though to avoid a blitz.

#8 Edited by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio
@Vance Astro said:

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

Raven Rapes
Don't use "rape" in battle forums.
Sorry 
 
I didn't know. When I first became signed up here, people use to say R*pe stomp,curb stomp all kinds of crazy stuff..and well no one's never corrected me before. Though I forgot it can be a sensitive subject.
  
Though thanks for the heads up. I wont use it again
#9 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

@Trinity00: HAHA! Fight to the death or that... either one will be good :p

#10 Posted by Trinity00 (2504 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThatThorFan said:

@Trinity00: HAHA! Fight to the death or that... either one will be good :p

I bet Miss Marvel will last longer than Raven in a strip dancing contest.

#11 Posted by Vance Astro (91061 posts) - - Show Bio
@Iamlovewithin500 said:
Sorry  I didn't know. When I first became signed up here, people use to say R*pe stomp,curb stomp all kinds of crazy stuff..and well nonoe's never correcte me before.Thoguh I forgot it can be a sensitive subject.  Though thanks for the heads up. I wont use it again
It was just recently made a rule, because users were starting to complain about it's use. Your welcome on the heads up though.
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#12 Posted by Vance Astro (91061 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joygirl said:

Raven should win solidly, don't see Ms. Marvel having what it takes to resist her powers. She'll have to be quick though to avoid a blitz.

Why is it one sided though? Isn't Ms.Marvel faster and doesn't she have a better reaction time? Couldn't she attack first?
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#13 Posted by Joygirl (18022 posts) - - Show Bio

@Trinity00 said:

@ThatThorFan said:

@Trinity00: HAHA! Fight to the death or that... either one will be good :p

I bet Miss Marvel will last longer than Raven in a strip dancing contest.

I will contest that, she's wearing less already and therefore has less to take off.

#14 Posted by Trinity00 (2504 posts) - - Show Bio

@Joygirl said:

@Trinity00 said:

@ThatThorFan said:

@Trinity00: HAHA! Fight to the death or that... either one will be good :p

I bet Miss Marvel will last longer than Raven in a strip dancing contest.

I will contest that, she's wearing less already and therefore has less to take off.

Not to mention Blonds have more fun which means they do more activities which means they have more stamina.

#15 Posted by Joygirl (18022 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Joygirl said:

Raven should win solidly, don't see Ms. Marvel having what it takes to resist her powers. She'll have to be quick though to avoid a blitz.

Why is it one sided though? Isn't Ms.Marvel faster and doesn't she have a better reaction time? Couldn't she attack first?

Theoretically. And I didn't say it was one sided -- Raven will have to avoid a blitz, if her mind is faster than Ms. Marvel's body (AND if MM goes straight for a blitz) she may be able to teleport or go soul-self. But it seems like once the battle actually begins, Raven should be able to mind-control or enchant her, etc. Too versatile. As long as she can stay mobile and intangible, she should be able to bring Ms. Marvel down. Just my thoughts.

#16 Posted by Vance Astro (91061 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joygirl said:

Theoretically. And I didn't say it was one sided -- Raven will have to avoid a blitz, if her mind is faster than Ms. Marvel's body (AND if MM goes straight for a blitz) she may be able to teleport or go soul-self. But it seems like once the battle actually begins, Raven should be able to mind-control or enchant her, etc. Too versatile. As long as she can stay mobile and intangible, she should be able to bring Ms. Marvel down. Just my thoughts.

You didn't say it was one-sided but you did say you don't see Ms.Marvel having what it takes to resist Raven's powers, so that's the impression I got. Ms.Marvel doesn't have to move herself to attack Raven.
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#17 Posted by Joygirl (18022 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro: True, she has those energy bolts... honestly, it's a matter of speed. I honestly don't see MM having what it takes to resist Raven's attacks, Raven's only real problem will be getting her attacks off before MM blasts her. Though, if she becomes intangible, she may be able to avoid those attacks indefinitely and just fire off spells/mindrays.

#18 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

Id say that with this, it could go either way. I still have no idea who would win :p

#19 Posted by THUNDERBOLT30 (9875 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Carol takes a majority due to her superior speed.

#20 Edited by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven.<--- To all who agree with me.

#21 Posted by Phylos (2641 posts) - - Show Bio

Great match!

But I'm a little torn. On one side, Ms Marvel could blitz Raven and knock her out completely, but then on the other hand, Raven could drain Ms Marvel until she becomes an emotionless shell.

#22 Posted by MemphisPro (40 posts) - - Show Bio

MM due to speed.. Why wouldn't she use her speed off top against raven,knowing her powers and capability.. It's like the superman edge everybody uses.. Speed is a major factor,along with the rest of MM powers.. Good fight tho,but MM would be victorious.

#23 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

Glad everyone thinks this is a good fight! Im still torn, as a lot of people here are too. Stalemate? :p

#24 Posted by Vance Astro (91061 posts) - - Show Bio
@Joygirl said:

@Vance Astro: True, she has those energy bolts... honestly, it's a matter of speed. I honestly don't see MM having what it takes to resist Raven's attacks, Raven's only real problem will be getting her attacks off before MM blasts her. Though, if she becomes intangible, she may be able to avoid those attacks indefinitely and just fire off spells/mindrays.

I agree with you the thing about intangibility though is speed is also still part of it because Raven has to consciously make the decision to become intangible. If doesn't react in time she could get fried. I don't really know what Raven has done as far as reaction time...so I'm hoping someone else can fill in the blanks.
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#25 Posted by Joygirl (18022 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah... Although, doesn't she go intangible at the speed of thought? I'm not a Raven expert but that might be fast enough to avoid a blitz (again, IF Marvel goes straight for the blitz).

#26 Posted by King Saturn (223718 posts) - - Show Bio
I would like to think Carol has a good shot here... seeing a lot of Raven wins in this thread... IDK maybe she has been fighting Superman level characters or something lately. 
#27 Posted by pjcast7 (57 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven of course.

#28 Posted by Nefarious (18340 posts) - - Show Bio

Ms. Marvel should win. 

#29 Posted by Floopay (8562 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Morals On, Miss Marvel would probably take this. Morals Off however, I'm going to side with Raven. She has a lot of power to tap into when she's Morals off, and I think that would guarantee her about 8/10 wins.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#30 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

@pjcast7: Care to explain?

#31 Posted by pjcast7 (57 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThatThorFan: Raven has been shown to stop time, to turn people to stone. Bring her dreams to life. She's so powerful, and most of the battles she fights in, she's holding back. She's too powerful. She has magic, telekinesis, astral projection,precognition, intangibility,teleportation,healing, time manipulation sensibility and levitation. She just has too many abilities for carol to handle. She would kill her w/o even meaning to.

#32 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

BUMP

#33 Posted by Roddy010 (5113 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven wins..She has been quick enough to dodge sniper bullets, white sound blast, lightning and could completely alter Ms. Marvel's mind with just a thought...

#34 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump

#35 Posted by Vance Astro (91061 posts) - - Show Bio
@Roddy010 said:

She has been quick enough to dodge sniper bullets

Doesn't mean she's quick enough to dodge Ms.Marvel.
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#36 Posted by Outside_85 (8009 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Roddy010 said:

She has been quick enough to dodge sniper bullets

Doesn't mean she's quick enough to dodge Ms.Marvel.

Well, there was an instance in the early NTT days where she teleported out of the way of a sonic blast from Cyborg fired at close range.

White Noise

Since Danvers moves at super sonic speeds, she is ofc moving faster than Cyborgs blasts, but like Raven has to consciously activate her powers, Danvers has to consciously activate the powers of her body. So the question is if Danvers can activate her powers, reach Raven and put her down before Ravens powers have taken her out, either by empathy or teleporting her to somewhere unpleasant.

#37 Posted by codin18 (140 posts) - - Show Bio

personally i think this fight can go either way,it just depends on who does what first

#38 Posted by Vance Astro (91061 posts) - - Show Bio
@codin18 said:

personally i think this fight can go either way,it just depends on who does what first

That's how I feel about it.
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#39 Posted by killerfacepwnez (51 posts) - - Show Bio

raven with minimal effort.

#40 Posted by Floopay (8562 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro: @codin18: On the one hand I agree, on the other hand with Morals off that would mean Raven would not be holding back, and when she does that she's pretty scary in the comics. Morals on but bloodlusted would be a better match up (Willing to kill, but still within the confines of their usual morals).

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#41 Posted by killerfacepwnez (51 posts) - - Show Bio

That thanks for reading floopay crap is annoying

#42 Posted by Strider92 (16028 posts) - - Show Bio

With morals off I think Carol is too fast. If morals where on i'd say Raven but as their off i'll go for MM.

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#43 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

@killerfacepwnez: Minimal effort? I doubt that.

#44 Posted by Roddy010 (5113 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vance Astro said:

@Roddy010 said:

She has been quick enough to dodge sniper bullets

Doesn't mean she's quick enough to dodge Ms.Marvel.

Ok why'd you cut out the rest of my post...That's not the only thing I said she has dodged..Ms. marvel is quick and could possibly KO Raven, however Raven is just as quick with her teleportation so her dodging Ms. Marvel is plausible...

#45 Posted by Vance Astro (91061 posts) - - Show Bio
@Roddy010 said:

Ok why'd you cut out the rest of my post...That's not the only thing I said she has dodged..Ms. marvel is quick and could possibly KO Raven, however Raven is just as quick with her teleportation so her dodging Ms. Marvel is plausible...

Those are all technically the same thing as far as I'm concerned. They are SUPPOSED TO have different speeds but are all dodged by street levelers.
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#46 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

@killerfacepwnez: You can reply to me on the forum, not a private message.

You said, "Then you don't know shit about Raven.", in your private message. Can you explain how she would win on the forum so everyone can know your knowledge of why Raven would win? And without swearing because I know you've already been warned.

Thanks.

#47 Posted by Kinasin_ (1141 posts) - - Show Bio

Raven.

#48 Posted by ThatThorFan (951 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kinasin_: Could Raven even be able to touch Ms. Marvel? Carol is very quick.

#49 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

Carollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

#50 Posted by Roddy010 (5113 posts) - - Show Bio

@ThatThorFan said:

@Kinasin_: Could Raven even be able to touch Ms. Marvel? Carol is very quick.

She doesn't have to physically touch her to affect her...Do you know what Raven's powers are?