Ms. Marvel vs Raven

Who would win?

Morals: Off

No Prep

Win: Death

Good match-up. I say Ms. Marvel after a heavy battle.

Win in what a strip dance contest?

Raven stomps...

Raven wins,she's more powerful than her father

Raven Rapes

Raven should win solidly, don't see Ms. Marvel having what it takes to resist her powers. She'll have to be quick though to avoid a blitz.

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

Raven Rapes

Don't use "rape" in battle forums.

@Trinity00: HAHA! Fight to the death or that... either one will be good :p

@ThatThorFan said:

@Trinity00: HAHA! Fight to the death or that... either one will be good :p

I bet Miss Marvel will last longer than Raven in a strip dancing contest.

Sorry  I didn't know. When I first became signed up here, people use to say R*pe stomp,curb stomp all kinds of crazy stuff..and well nonoe's never correcte me before.Thoguh I forgot it can be a sensitive subject.  Though thanks for the heads up. I wont use it again

Raven should win solidly, don't see Ms. Marvel having what it takes to resist her powers. She'll have to be quick though to avoid a blitz.

@Trinity00 said:

@ThatThorFan said:

@Trinity00: HAHA! Fight to the death or that... either one will be good :p

I bet Miss Marvel will last longer than Raven in a strip dancing contest.

I will contest that, she's wearing less already and therefore has less to take off.

@Joygirl said:

@Trinity00 said:

@ThatThorFan said:

@Trinity00: HAHA! Fight to the death or that... either one will be good :p

I bet Miss Marvel will last longer than Raven in a strip dancing contest.

I will contest that, she's wearing less already and therefore has less to take off.

Not to mention Blonds have more fun which means they do more activities which means they have more stamina.

@Vance Astro said:

@Joygirl said:

Raven should win solidly, don't see Ms. Marvel having what it takes to resist her powers. She'll have to be quick though to avoid a blitz.

Why is it one sided though? Isn't Ms.Marvel faster and doesn't she have a better reaction time? Couldn't she attack first?

Theoretically. And I didn't say it was one sided -- Raven will have to avoid a blitz, if her mind is faster than Ms. Marvel's body (AND if MM goes straight for a blitz) she may be able to teleport or go soul-self. But it seems like once the battle actually begins, Raven should be able to mind-control or enchant her, etc. Too versatile. As long as she can stay mobile and intangible, she should be able to bring Ms. Marvel down. Just my thoughts.

Theoretically. And I didn't say it was one sided -- Raven will have to avoid a blitz, if her mind is faster than Ms. Marvel's body (AND if MM goes straight for a blitz) she may be able to teleport or go soul-self. But it seems like once the battle actually begins, Raven should be able to mind-control or enchant her, etc. Too versatile. As long as she can stay mobile and intangible, she should be able to bring Ms. Marvel down. Just my thoughts.

@Vance Astro: True, she has those energy bolts... honestly, it's a matter of speed. I honestly don't see MM having what it takes to resist Raven's attacks, Raven's only real problem will be getting her attacks off before MM blasts her. Though, if she becomes intangible, she may be able to avoid those attacks indefinitely and just fire off spells/mindrays.

Id say that with this, it could go either way. I still have no idea who would win :p

I think Carol takes a majority due to her superior speed.

Raven.<--- To all who agree with me.

Great match!

But I'm a little torn. On one side, Ms Marvel could blitz Raven and knock her out completely, but then on the other hand, Raven could drain Ms Marvel until she becomes an emotionless shell.

MM due to speed.. Why wouldn't she use her speed off top against raven,knowing her powers and capability.. It's like the superman edge everybody uses.. Speed is a major factor,along with the rest of MM powers.. Good fight tho,but MM would be victorious.

Glad everyone thinks this is a good fight! Im still torn, as a lot of people here are too. Stalemate? :p

@Vance Astro: True, she has those energy bolts... honestly, it's a matter of speed. I honestly don't see MM having what it takes to resist Raven's attacks, Raven's only real problem will be getting her attacks off before MM blasts her. Though, if she becomes intangible, she may be able to avoid those attacks indefinitely and just fire off spells/mindrays.

Yeah... Although, doesn't she go intangible at the speed of thought? I'm not a Raven expert but that might be fast enough to avoid a blitz (again, IF Marvel goes straight for the blitz).

Raven of course.

Ms. Marvel should win. 

I think Morals On, Miss Marvel would probably take this. Morals Off however, I'm going to side with Raven. She has a lot of power to tap into when she's Morals off, and I think that would guarantee her about 8/10 wins.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@pjcast7: Care to explain?

@ThatThorFan: Raven has been shown to stop time, to turn people to stone. Bring her dreams to life. She's so powerful, and most of the battles she fights in, she's holding back. She's too powerful. She has magic, telekinesis, astral projection,precognition, intangibility,teleportation,healing, time manipulation sensibility and levitation. She just has too many abilities for carol to handle. She would kill her w/o even meaning to.

BUMP

Raven wins..She has been quick enough to dodge sniper bullets, white sound blast, lightning and could completely alter Ms. Marvel's mind with just a thought...

Bump

She has been quick enough to dodge sniper bullets

@Vance Astro said:

@Roddy010 said:

She has been quick enough to dodge sniper bullets

Doesn't mean she's quick enough to dodge Ms.Marvel.

Well, there was an instance in the early NTT days where she teleported out of the way of a sonic blast from Cyborg fired at close range.

Since Danvers moves at super sonic speeds, she is ofc moving faster than Cyborgs blasts, but like Raven has to consciously activate her powers, Danvers has to consciously activate the powers of her body. So the question is if Danvers can activate her powers, reach Raven and put her down before Ravens powers have taken her out, either by empathy or teleporting her to somewhere unpleasant.

personally i think this fight can go either way,it just depends on who does what first

personally i think this fight can go either way,it just depends on who does what first

raven with minimal effort.

@Vance Astro: @codin18: On the one hand I agree, on the other hand with Morals off that would mean Raven would not be holding back, and when she does that she's pretty scary in the comics. Morals on but bloodlusted would be a better match up (Willing to kill, but still within the confines of their usual morals).

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

That thanks for reading floopay crap is annoying

With morals off I think Carol is too fast. If morals where on i'd say Raven but as their off i'll go for MM.

@killerfacepwnez: Minimal effort? I doubt that.

@Vance Astro said:

@Roddy010 said:

She has been quick enough to dodge sniper bullets

Doesn't mean she's quick enough to dodge Ms.Marvel.

Ok why'd you cut out the rest of my post...That's not the only thing I said she has dodged..Ms. marvel is quick and could possibly KO Raven, however Raven is just as quick with her teleportation so her dodging Ms. Marvel is plausible...

Ok why'd you cut out the rest of my post...That's not the only thing I said she has dodged..Ms. marvel is quick and could possibly KO Raven, however Raven is just as quick with her teleportation so her dodging Ms. Marvel is plausible...

@killerfacepwnez: You can reply to me on the forum, not a private message.

You said, "Then you don't know shit about Raven.", in your private message. Can you explain how she would win on the forum so everyone can know your knowledge of why Raven would win? And without swearing because I know you've already been warned.

Thanks.

Raven.

@Kinasin_: Could Raven even be able to touch Ms. Marvel? Carol is very quick.

Carollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

@ThatThorFan said:

@Kinasin_: Could Raven even be able to touch Ms. Marvel? Carol is very quick.

She doesn't have to physically touch her to affect her...Do you know what Raven's powers are?