Mr. X and Gorgon have the Murumasa Blade. Bloodlust on. Who takes it?
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@guttridgeb said:
Hulks stomp.
What about when Daken left Skaar limping off from their fight? I doubt it's a stomp
@jsav777: Hulk is far more durable than Skaar, I wouldn't be surprised if the blade didn't pierce Hulk's skin. Even if it does, without his healing factor, Hulk is just going to get angrier that he isn't healing and get stronger as a result.
Heh. I'm undecided. But to be fair:
Mr. X is by far the week link on team 1. His stats are pretty much only human and whilst his reaction is heightened due to his power, there's only so much he can do with that. Gorgon on the other hand is a completely different story, I can see him taking down vital points in the Hulks without them being able to react (ie the Eyes) or using the stare immediately from the get go. I also doubt that the Hulks will be able to tag him without PIS, which means that he's going to be able to maneuver through them well. As for the Thunder Claps, Gorgon's tanked hits from Stonewall but so the claps aren't going to be doing anything to him, apart from displacing him from his position. There's no terrain, so a normal scenario is assumed, which means that Gorgon won't be BFR'd or won't fall down any lengths, rendering the Thunderclap useless as a measure of winning. With the combined use of speed and skill, Gorgon can go in and out of the Hulk's reach, going about it slowly.
@guttridgeb said:
I wouldn't be surprised if the blade didn't pierce Hulk's skin.
That's a fair point, I recall the blade being destroyed though I can't remember exactly by what. If it is, it becomes exceedingly harder, though I do believe it would still pierce the sort tissue of Hulk.
Even if it does, without his healing factor, Hulk is just going to get angrier that he isn't healing and get stronger as a result.
You're talking as if he gets angry and increases strength ten thousand fold in an instant. It doesn't happen like that.
@Haaydrian said:
You're talking as if he gets angry and increases strength ten thousand fold in an instant. It doesn't happen like that.
I know, but Hulk rarely experiences pain for much longer than a few seconds. An open wound is seriously going to p*** him off.
@k4tzm4n said:
They have m-blades? Team Hulk is about to enter a whole new world of pain.
Maybe you can clarify whether they would be able to penetrate the skin of Hulk, because I can't remember what actually broke the blade for the goddamn life of me.
@guttridgeb said:
@Haaydrian said:
You're talking as if he gets angry and increases strength ten thousand fold in an instant. It doesn't happen like that.
I know, but Hulk rarely experiences pain for much longer than a few seconds. An open wound is seriously going to p*** him off.
You're making it out to be something much bigger than it is. He's not going to get pissed enough. For this to actually matter, he'd have to be subjected to a long fight where he get damaged enough, he's not going to go all flarking bonkers at a superficial cut.
@Haaydrian: Hulk has been known to get pretty pissed off at pretty minor things during battles. Something like this is going to make him angry enough for it to make a difference.
@Haaydrian: Hulk is incredibly fast as well. I believe he can run at 300mph at base. This also increases with rage,
@Haaydrian: In order to succesfully run at such speeds without crashing into everything, good reaction speeds are needed. Sorry, I thought that went without saying.
@guttridgeb said:
@Haaydrian: In order to succesfully run at such speeds without crashing into everything, good reaction speeds are needed. Sorry, I thought that went without saying.
...Sigh.
Lets put it this way, just for simplicity's sake, because this would otherwise go off on a completely different tangent:
Hulk has shown no feats with a reaction time that is mention worthy. Feel free to prove me otherwise with a scan.
@Haaydrian: Currently, I don't seem to be able to post pictures and my scanner isn't working anyway. If I find something on Google and I am able to post it, I'll edit this post.
@Haaydrian said:
@guttridgeb said:
@Haaydrian: Currently, I don't seem to be able to post pictures and my scanner isn't working anyway. If I find something on Google and I am able to post it, I'll edit this post.
...You're free to do whatever you want.
That was an odd thing to say, sorry if its because I'm irritating you :)
@guttridgeb said:
@Haaydrian said:
@guttridgeb said:
@Haaydrian: Currently, I don't seem to be able to post pictures and my scanner isn't working anyway. If I find something on Google and I am able to post it, I'll edit this post.
...You're free to do whatever you want.
That was an odd thing to say, sorry if its because I'm irritating you :)
You could name an instance as opposed to looking for a scan.
@Haaydrian: True. I'll have a look through my comics. It might take a while though. I could do with getting to sleep soon - its getting pretty late where I am :)
All right, I have no real opinion on the winner. I have no scans on me at the moment, but I'm pretty sure there have been multiple instances of agile characters trying to outmaneuver Hulk and get a surprising SMACK knock the breath out of them for underestimating his speed.
I am -not- however, trying to contest that Hulk has a great amount of reaction time, only that he could possibly manage to recklessly get his relenting attacker off of him, briefly. Just trying to give Hulk that much credit, rather than letting my appreciation of Gorgon's character cloud my judgment. I am also not sure how they both have a Muramasa blade, or if that's even necessary given that (debatable) the Grass cutter could do harm, but too little is known about it to say for certain. We do know it can at least cut beings like Ares, who is just a little under the likes of Hercules and Thor, and sadly, was written to job many of his battles. X can read, but the mind of the Hulk I doubt is one easily predicted by Mr. X, and his human limitations would probably have him taken out first, if Gorgon doesn't simply kill him to take the Muramasa for himself (Since he has before dual-wielded katanas, if I remember correctly)
So on Gorgon's side, we can see martial arts and speed blitzing performances, telepathy to further aid his reaction time, and two blades, one which will definitely stop a healing factor, and possibly cut skin.The other blade, (Grasscutter) will more than likely definitely cut through his dense muscle tissue, and (this is solely speculation) since it is designed to kill "Gods" like Thor or Herc, could potentially have the same devastating effect.
Furthermore, Gorgon is a genius, and his strikes on Wolverine seemed to hint that he had stabbed specific organs to further hinder him from retaliating, doing the most damage possible. We can assess from this, if it called for it, Gorgon has the speed, combat abilities, and telepathy combined with his intellect, will know when the perfect opening is available to strike a target such as the eyeball, throat, solar plexus, ears, and other weak spots on the body. A blade that can kill gods or a blade the nullifies healing going through the eyeball and into a Hulk's brain? Ouch. Last in Gorgon's favor, is his own ability to heal. If he does take a nasty blow, we know he'll at least be able to get up from it and pursue the fight. If the collateral damage inducing sheer strength of two Hulk's become a very heavy burden to fight against, we have our last defense, which Hulk's aren't likely prepped for: Stone gaze.
To be fair however, if Mister X gets taken out, the sheer power of Rulk and Hulk together would be nasty to go against solo.
I make no judgments or predictions, merely relaying what I know on the character I favor to give insight on what tools he has that could show him favor and more than a fair chance to win under these conditions.
Also, my last two cents- Because of his limitations as a human, Mr. X was completely humiliated from a speed blitz from Quicksilver, mentioning how it was completely useless to be able to read moves that were too fast for him to react to. Gorgon similarly fought a speedster (I believe she was anyways) from the Secret Warrior's team. While maybe not as fast as Pietro, she was able to give Dark Hawkeye if I remember right quite a beating. Against Gorgon however? She was bested in a single strike that caused her the loss of her arms. I would take from this that Gorgon's reaction time is no laughing matter.
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