#1 Edited by jsav777 (608 posts) - - Show Bio

Mr. X and Gorgon have the Murumasa Blade. Bloodlust on. Who takes it?

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#2 Posted by jsav777 (608 posts) - - Show Bio

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#3 Posted by pooty (10334 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulks win. THunder claps. ground pounds and to use the swords they have to get close. the blades do not kill the hulks on contact. Hulks stomp

#4 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2622 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulks win

#5 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulks stomp.

#6 Posted by jsav777 (608 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

Hulks stomp.

What about when Daken left Skaar limping off from their fight? I doubt it's a stomp

#7 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@jsav777: Hulk is far more durable than Skaar, I wouldn't be surprised if the blade didn't pierce Hulk's skin. Even if it does, without his healing factor, Hulk is just going to get angrier that he isn't healing and get stronger as a result.

#8 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

Heh. I'm undecided. But to be fair:

Mr. X is by far the week link on team 1. His stats are pretty much only human and whilst his reaction is heightened due to his power, there's only so much he can do with that. Gorgon on the other hand is a completely different story, I can see him taking down vital points in the Hulks without them being able to react (ie the Eyes) or using the stare immediately from the get go. I also doubt that the Hulks will be able to tag him without PIS, which means that he's going to be able to maneuver through them well. As for the Thunder Claps, Gorgon's tanked hits from Stonewall but so the claps aren't going to be doing anything to him, apart from displacing him from his position. There's no terrain, so a normal scenario is assumed, which means that Gorgon won't be BFR'd or won't fall down any lengths, rendering the Thunderclap useless as a measure of winning. With the combined use of speed and skill, Gorgon can go in and out of the Hulk's reach, going about it slowly.

@guttridgeb said:

I wouldn't be surprised if the blade didn't pierce Hulk's skin.

That's a fair point, I recall the blade being destroyed though I can't remember exactly by what. If it is, it becomes exceedingly harder, though I do believe it would still pierce the sort tissue of Hulk.

Even if it does, without his healing factor, Hulk is just going to get angrier that he isn't healing and get stronger as a result.

You're talking as if he gets angry and increases strength ten thousand fold in an instant. It doesn't happen like that.

#9 Posted by k4tzm4n (35208 posts) - - Show Bio

They have m-blades?  Team Hulk is about to enter a whole new world of pain.

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#10 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian said:

You're talking as if he gets angry and increases strength ten thousand fold in an instant. It doesn't happen like that.

I know, but Hulk rarely experiences pain for much longer than a few seconds. An open wound is seriously going to p*** him off.

#11 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

They have m-blades? Team Hulk is about to enter a whole new world of pain.

Maybe you can clarify whether they would be able to penetrate the skin of Hulk, because I can't remember what actually broke the blade for the goddamn life of me.

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian said:

You're talking as if he gets angry and increases strength ten thousand fold in an instant. It doesn't happen like that.

I know, but Hulk rarely experiences pain for much longer than a few seconds. An open wound is seriously going to p*** him off.

You're making it out to be something much bigger than it is. He's not going to get pissed enough. For this to actually matter, he'd have to be subjected to a long fight where he get damaged enough, he's not going to go all flarking bonkers at a superficial cut.

#12 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian: Hulk has been known to get pretty pissed off at pretty minor things during battles. Something like this is going to make him angry enough for it to make a difference.

#13 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian: Hulk has been known to get pretty pissed off at pretty minor things during battles. Something like this is going to make him angry enough for it to make a difference.

And do what?

#14 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian: What he usually does. Smash.

#15 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian: What he usually does. Smash.

...Would you like to read my original post? Because I've been through this.

#16 Edited by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian: Hulk is incredibly fast as well. I believe he can run at 300mph at base. This also increases with rage,

#17 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian: Hulk is incredibly fast as well. I believe he can run at 300mph at base. This also increases with rage,

That's the speed which he runs at, which proves absolutely nothing in terms of his reaction speed.

#18 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian: In order to succesfully run at such speeds without crashing into everything, good reaction speeds are needed. Sorry, I thought that went without saying.

#19 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian: In order to succesfully run at such speeds without crashing into everything, good reaction speeds are needed. Sorry, I thought that went without saying.

...Sigh.

Lets put it this way, just for simplicity's sake, because this would otherwise go off on a completely different tangent:

Hulk has shown no feats with a reaction time that is mention worthy. Feel free to prove me otherwise with a scan.

#20 Posted by k4tzm4n (35208 posts) - - Show Bio
@Haaydrian: It absolutely would penetrate Hulk/Rulk's skin.  Even the m-blade lacing on Daken's wrist claw was able to give Skaar grief.
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#21 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian: Currently, I don't seem to be able to post pictures and my scanner isn't working anyway. If I find something on Google and I am able to post it, I'll edit this post.

#22 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian: Currently, I don't seem to be able to post pictures and my scanner isn't working anyway. If I find something on Google and I am able to post it, I'll edit this post.

...You're free to do whatever you want.

#23 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanks.

#24 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian said:

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian: Currently, I don't seem to be able to post pictures and my scanner isn't working anyway. If I find something on Google and I am able to post it, I'll edit this post.

...You're free to do whatever you want.

That was an odd thing to say, sorry if its because I'm irritating you :)

#25 Posted by Haaydrian (173 posts) - - Show Bio

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian said:

@guttridgeb said:

@Haaydrian: Currently, I don't seem to be able to post pictures and my scanner isn't working anyway. If I find something on Google and I am able to post it, I'll edit this post.

...You're free to do whatever you want.

That was an odd thing to say, sorry if its because I'm irritating you :)

You could name an instance as opposed to looking for a scan.

#26 Posted by DocFatalis (1419 posts) - - Show Bio

The OP (especially the blades) make team 1 win. Gorgon is a pretty scary character.

#27 Posted by guttridgeb (4831 posts) - - Show Bio

@Haaydrian: True. I'll have a look through my comics. It might take a while though. I could do with getting to sleep soon - its getting pretty late where I am :)

#28 Edited by VileBlues (16 posts) - - Show Bio

All right, I have no real opinion on the winner. I have no scans on me at the moment, but I'm pretty sure there have been multiple instances of agile characters trying to outmaneuver Hulk and get a surprising SMACK knock the breath out of them for underestimating his speed.

I am -not- however, trying to contest that Hulk has a great amount of reaction time, only that he could possibly manage to recklessly get his relenting attacker off of him, briefly. Just trying to give Hulk that much credit, rather than letting my appreciation of Gorgon's character cloud my judgment. I am also not sure how they both have a Muramasa blade, or if that's even necessary given that (debatable) the Grass cutter could do harm, but too little is known about it to say for certain. We do know it can at least cut beings like Ares, who is just a little under the likes of Hercules and Thor, and sadly, was written to job many of his battles. X can read, but the mind of the Hulk I doubt is one easily predicted by Mr. X, and his human limitations would probably have him taken out first, if Gorgon doesn't simply kill him to take the Muramasa for himself (Since he has before dual-wielded katanas, if I remember correctly)

So on Gorgon's side, we can see martial arts and speed blitzing performances, telepathy to further aid his reaction time, and two blades, one which will definitely stop a healing factor, and possibly cut skin.The other blade, (Grasscutter) will more than likely definitely cut through his dense muscle tissue, and (this is solely speculation) since it is designed to kill "Gods" like Thor or Herc, could potentially have the same devastating effect.

Furthermore, Gorgon is a genius, and his strikes on Wolverine seemed to hint that he had stabbed specific organs to further hinder him from retaliating, doing the most damage possible. We can assess from this, if it called for it, Gorgon has the speed, combat abilities, and telepathy combined with his intellect, will know when the perfect opening is available to strike a target such as the eyeball, throat, solar plexus, ears, and other weak spots on the body. A blade that can kill gods or a blade the nullifies healing going through the eyeball and into a Hulk's brain? Ouch. Last in Gorgon's favor, is his own ability to heal. If he does take a nasty blow, we know he'll at least be able to get up from it and pursue the fight. If the collateral damage inducing sheer strength of two Hulk's become a very heavy burden to fight against, we have our last defense, which Hulk's aren't likely prepped for: Stone gaze.

To be fair however, if Mister X gets taken out, the sheer power of Rulk and Hulk together would be nasty to go against solo.

I make no judgments or predictions, merely relaying what I know on the character I favor to give insight on what tools he has that could show him favor and more than a fair chance to win under these conditions.

Also, my last two cents- Because of his limitations as a human, Mr. X was completely humiliated from a speed blitz from Quicksilver, mentioning how it was completely useless to be able to read moves that were too fast for him to react to. Gorgon similarly fought a speedster (I believe she was anyways) from the Secret Warrior's team. While maybe not as fast as Pietro, she was able to give Dark Hawkeye if I remember right quite a beating. Against Gorgon however? She was bested in a single strike that caused her the loss of her arms. I would take from this that Gorgon's reaction time is no laughing matter.