Well, anyway, that was maybe so it was long a go i red that piece. And still imo Beyonder had more power combined than any of the same scale of multverse busting level of power, he had beyond of that power.
Well that 4th dimensional thing is a concept that is really hard to place down seriously when talking about these fights, things that goes out of the storytellin itself goes againts these fights itself. I mean writer writing himself in the story as a being trolled by the thing that he dwaws. Makes absolutely no sense in sens of these battles.
Cosmic Cube or Pre-Secret Wars Molecule man? Doesn't really matter, both would solo.
Lol no
Okay, buddy. Let me keep this simple for you and easy to fathom, alright? Make sure to pay attention.
Cosmic Cube/Post-Secret Wars/Post-Retcon Molecule Man
We got:
Cosmic Cube Beyonder is capable erasing the multiverse and its entirety in whim. Yield: casual Multiversal level.
Kubik fought and butt kicked CC Beyonder in his own realm and had the power to casually crush the latter's universe, a universe that dwarfs the entirety of Marvel. Yield: much higher than Multiversal level.
If Kubik and Super Adaptoid (w/Kubik's power) were to collide with each other, the multiverse and the infinite dimensions that lies within' it, would've destroyed erased as a collateral damage. Yield: higher than Multiversal level.
Cosmic Cube Beyonder's tried his best to defeat Molecule Man but failed rather epically and got his ass handed to him. Granted, their mano y mano was short lived but they warped the multiverse as a side effect. If Kubik hadn't showed up and begged Molecule Man not to kill Beyonder, Beyonder would've died. Yield: Same (as per the above).
Cosmic Cube Kubik flat out admitted his inferiority to Molecule Man on-panel.
So, from the very first point to the fifth one we can conclude that CC Molecule Man is far higher than just Multiversal+ level hence far more powerful than Mxy even with WF feats.
Classic/Pre-Secret Wars Molecule Man
First of all, the cosmic compass aka Eternity, Infinity and Death and Oblivion including the Living Tribunal are vastly superior to the cosmic cubes which includes Molecule Man, power-wise. Second of all, Classic Molecule Man dwarfed all of the Marvel creation including the most powerful forces within' it which likewise includes the said cosmic entities (TLT as well, who's a Megaversal entity). Finally, what does that tell us? Exactly, Classic Molecule Man stomps WF Mxy.
Cosmic Cube or Pre-Secret Wars Molecule man? Doesn't really matter, both would solo.
Lol no
Okay, buddy. Let me keep this simple for you and easy to fathom, alright? Make sure to pay attention.
Cosmic Cube/Post-Secret Wars/Post-Retcon Molecule Man
We got:
Cosmic Cube Beyonder is capable erasing the multiverse and its entirety in whim. Yield: casual Multiversal level.
Kubik fought and butt kicked CC Beyonder in his own realm and had the power to casually crush the latter's universe, a universe that dwarfs the entirety of Marvel. Yield: much higher than Multiversal level.
If Kubik and Super Adaptoid (w/Kubik's power) were to collide with each other, the multiverse and the infinite dimensions that lies within' it, would've destroyed erased as a collateral damage. Yield: higher than Multiversal level.
Cosmic Cube Beyonder's tried his best to defeat Molecule Man but failed rather epically and got his ass handed to him. Granted, their mano y mano was short lived but they warped the multiverse as a side effect. If Kubik hadn't showed up and begged Molecule Man not to kill Beyonder, Beyonder would've died. Yield: Same (as per the above).
Cosmic Cube Kubik flat out admitted his inferiority to Molecule Man on-panel.
So, from the very first point to the fifth one we can conclude that CC Molecule Man is far higher than just Multiversal+ level hence far more powerful than Mxy even with WF feats.
Classic/Pre-Secret Wars Molecule Man
First of all, the cosmic compass aka Eternity, Infinity and Death and Oblivion including the Living Tribunal are vastly superior to the cosmic cubes which includes Molecule Man, power-wise. Second of all, Classic Molecule Man dwarfed all of the Marvel creation including the most powerful forces within' it which likewise includes the said cosmic entities (TLT as well, who's a Megaversal entity). Finally, what does that tell us? Exactly, Classic Molecule Man stomps WF Mxy.
And Mxy is beyond "comics" showing up multiple times in the writers universe, shown the ability to RETCON and effortlessly destroy all of DC on accident.
Mxy pretty much plays with the multiverse for laughs. He's literally a Toon Force DC character who never fights serious and just plays around and do whatever the hell he wants to stay out of boredom. I can't think of any higher being in DC that can take him down other than the Presence.
Mxy pretty much plays with the multiverse for laughs. He's literally a Toon Force DC character who never fights serious and just plays around and do whatever the hell he wants to stay out of boredom. I can't think of any higher being in DC that can take him down other than the Presence.
I'd put him above presence, he's not to be taken seriously and being able to mess with the writers (who are gods in comics) puts him above a character who may or may not be omnipotent.
Omniverse in a box>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing with a multiverse
I don’t see toon force as relevant compared to that...
So what does mxy have that can keep up with that?
DC Multiverse = marvel omniverse. Plus the omniverse is referenced as the multiverse in marvel.
He blew up all of DC including the writers on accident trying to get batmite who survived the explosion even though he composes 1% of Mxys power. He can also retcon characters.
Omniverse in a box>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing with a multiverse
I don’t see toon force as relevant compared to that...
So what does mxy have that can keep up with that?
DC Multiverse = marvel omniverse. Plus the omniverse is referenced as the multiverse in marvel.
He blew up all of DC including the writers on accident trying to get batmite who survived the explosion even though he composes 1% of Mxys power. He can also retcon characters.
You are aware that this forum prohibits toon force characters in arguments right? So why would you continue selling toon force as an argument for Mxy?
It might surprise you Mxy supporters that being Multiversal has literally NOTHING to do with exclusivity and necessity to toon force. There are thousands of Toon Force characters who are not Multiversal and there are many Multiversal characters who don't have Toon force. So this idea of "Mxy beats you cuz toon force" is not an argument. We look at his destructive feats. Toon Force is difficult to argue with because the only people who like toon force arguments are people whose favorite characters are dependent on Toon Force. So if you're going to insist on Toon Force arguments, you're making this thread literally go nowhere.
Retconning and rewriting characters and reality is characteristic of a Multiversal character. Alien X and Altair are only Universal and they can retcon characters too, nobody thinks they're on the same level as LT. And they're more powerful than a lot of characters with toon force who are not at their range and potency.
Like, you people argue that, "Oh Mxy can warp reality and retcon characters, he wins!" Well, a lot of characters weaker than Mxy can do the same, but there are different levels. That is how you're supposed to approach omnipotent debates like these.
I don't understand why you Mxy supporters always argue of Mxy's multiversal and reality warping capabilities as one of a kind, when so many characters have done it. It's as if from the way you argue, you are not aware of Molecule Man's multiversity either because no one is making a solid case from your side against MM.
You compare the multiversal feats of Mxy to MM, but what you Mxy supporters do is just constantly reiterate "multiversal, toon force, multiversal" these are not determinant arguments when you're not even trying to argue against Molecule Man's feats in comparison. We KNOW Mxy is Multiversal. We get it, now compare it. You're just iterating stuff that everyone knows.
What the MM side is arguing is that MM has superior multiversal warping capabilities, you guys are just iterating what the MM side already knows.
As of now, I think its a stalemate. But the Mxy side has very poor argumentation.
Omniverse in a box>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>playing with a multiverse
I don’t see toon force as relevant compared to that...
So what does mxy have that can keep up with that?
DC Multiverse = marvel omniverse. Plus the omniverse is referenced as the multiverse in marvel.
He blew up all of DC including the writers on accident trying to get batmite who survived the explosion even though he composes 1% of Mxys power. He can also retcon characters.
You are aware that this forum prohibits toon force characters in arguments right? So why would you continue selling toon force as an argument for Mxy?
It might surprise you Mxy supporters that being Multiversal has literally NOTHING to do with exclusivity and necessity to toon force. There are thousands of Toon Force characters who are not Multiversal and there are many Multiversal characters who don't have Toon force. So this idea of "Mxy beats you cuz toon force" is not an argument. We look at his destructive feats. Toon Force is difficult to argue with because the only people who like toon force arguments are people whose favorite characters are dependent on Toon Force. So if you're going to insist on Toon Force arguments, you're making this thread literally go nowhere.
Retconning and rewriting characters and reality is characteristic of a Multiversal character. Alien X and Altair are only Universal and they can retcon characters too, nobody thinks they're on the same level as LT. And they're more powerful than a lot of characters with toon force who are not at their range and potency.
Like, you people argue that, "Oh Mxy can warp reality and retcon characters, he wins!" Well, a lot of characters weaker than Mxy can do the same, but there are different levels. That is how you're supposed to approach omnipotent debates like these.
I don't understand why you Mxy supporters always argue of Mxy's multiversal and reality warping capabilities as one of a kind, when so many characters have done it. It's as if from the way you argue, you are not aware of Molecule Man's multiversity either because no one is making a solid case from your side against MM.
You compare the multiversal feats of Mxy to MM, but what you Mxy supporters do is just constantly reiterate "multiversal, toon force, multiversal" these are not determinant arguments when you're not even trying to argue against Molecule Man's feats in comparison. We KNOW Mxy is Multiversal. We get it, now compare it. You're just iterating stuff that everyone knows.
What the MM side is arguing is that MM has superior multiversal warping capabilities, you guys are just iterating what the MM side already knows.
As of now, I think its a stalemate. But the Mxy side has very poor argumentation.
Where did I reference toonforce in that quote? Mxy legitimately blows up all of DC and then resets it with little to no effort. Basically toonforce isn't the same as bugs bunny, it's just a similar sort of logic because he isn't a serious character or he'd just fix everything.
Retconning is retconning. He can exit the comic and alter it.
I haven't seen a character on the same level as Mxy. Give me one who's exited a comic in a canon appearance and messed with things in that world, destroyed and recreated the entirety of a brands presence barring themselves without effort and shown the capacity to retcon characters from the writers universe.
I've literally stated feats, in the quote I describe his feat of destroying DC in a spat with Bat mite, in fact it's been a while since I read it but I believe it's actually Bat mite that shouts go away and destroys DC. So 1% of Mxys power destroys all of DC with low difficulty. Then Mxy fixes everything with no effort.
MM isn't near Mxy in terms of power. Show me feats that put him over destroying the entirety of DC with a fraction of his power or canonically entering the writers universe and messing with stuff there.
Mxy stomps. If you want a serious fight with him you have to take away his WF feats and his 4th wall feats.
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