MJJ from (616)
who wins?
@dondave: can you explain how ? just wanna know why you think so like that it will very easy for Lucifer to beat all those guys? didn't they destroyed his father's all creation just because they were bored & recreated it all with a snap of fingers & there's MJJ too who was considered a omniversal threat hmm
@Deadgod said:
@dondave: can you explain how ? just wanna know why you think so like that it will very easy for Lucifer to beat all those guys? didn't they destroyed his father's all creation just because they were bored & recreated it all with a snap of fingers & there's MJJ too who was considered a omniversal threat hmm
World Funniest is non-canon and take place in Elseworlds, i.e. different universe. I know few wiki put it as canon, including wikipedia, but DC did publish a list of Elseworld titles and World Funniest was included in it.
So with that, all we can say is "a" version of Mxy and Batmite did that, and if we look at their power level in world funniest, they did directly outperform Lucifer or even Michael individually, but canon Earth 1 version of Mxy and Batmite dont really have feats on the same level.
MJJ was very powerful no argument at that, and his powers pretty much was said to make him a god within his warps which were showed to be expanding. But they did put a limit on his power level ,i.e. unable to manipulation reality where none exists (felt like a plot than anything else) which gives Lucifer an option to teleport him to the void (assuming he someone figures out MJJ powers). Also while we are on Die by the Sword arc, it felt kind of odd. On one side we have MJJ having 2 omniversal guardians Matrix and Merlyn helpless against him, but fury manage to fight him and take him in the void? meh!
@Deadgod said:
@dondave: can you explain how ? just wanna know why you think so like that it will very easy for Lucifer to beat all those guys? didn't they destroyed his father's all creation just because they were bored & recreated it all with a snap of fingers & there's MJJ too who was considered a omniversal threat hmm
He isn't attached to creation itself. He has existed outside of creation, multiple times. Unless you're The Presence, Michael or Lucifer gives up his power, there isn't much you can do to him. The only thing he can't do without Michael is create something out of nothing, but he still has endless control over all of creation.
Why is LMS so overrated?
what did he do that proves he can take out three high tier reality warpers at once?
Well, he might not be able to overpower all three at once, but both the imps are easily beaten by use of trickery -and the Lightbearer is extremely skilled at that-, leaving Lucifer facing off against Jaspers. I think we can all agree he wins that.
@matmatxm8 said:
Lucifer
Only WF Mite and Mxy would have the power to beat Lucy. Not standard versions.
Elseworld Mxy and Mite are standard versions but they don't have the power to destroy Lucy.
There was only 1 version of impss until New 52. They traveled to Elseworld storylines which was also implied when Mxy said he is tired of alternative universes in Kingdom Come. It has been shown that Mxy can travel to Elseworld universes through Hypertime.
Also, Elseworld stories are now part of DC canon, they all happened in the DC Multiverse.
5th Dimensional IMPS don't live inside the Multiverse so it wouldn't impossible to have 1 imp for every Universe, they exist outside the Multiverse like Apocalypse does.
I'm inclined to agree with you. Every thread of this type theres this huge torrent of "lucifer" comments but no feats.
@wf_mxyzptlk: Shaped a Universe with the help of his brother, and he destroyed a dimension by accident( Just by being there), that's about it, personally I think Lucifer can take standard Mxy, but I know you rate him a lot higher than most people, so I'm interest on seeing which arguments are you using here.
@thekinfing: So he is not like beyond Multiversal?
@krleavenger: Not at all, he's only ''Multiversal'' feat was during Nirvana, but that is inconsistent with the rest of his solo considering he has one instance of calling his creation a multiverse and nearly two dozens of calling it a Universe, both Lucifer and Michael are high end Universal, and that's as far as they go.
@thekinfing: LOL in that chase, all I have to say is that the ignorance is astonishing (why am I so surprised???). Jaspers solos.
@wf_mxyzptlk: Shaped a Universe with the help of his brother, and he destroyed a dimension by accident( Just by being there), that's about it, personally I think Lucifer can take standard Mxy, but I know you rate him a lot higher than most people, so I'm interest on seeing which arguments are you using here.
If you have Lucifer as high universal, then its strange to me why you would give him the win against Mxy, who is easily multiversal as seen in Emperor Joker.
@thekinfing: I'm pretty sure he uses Universe in a metahphorical sense for the whole of his creation. A primordial universe existing in a multiverse would make the most sense for this contradiction.
@wf_mxyzptlk: That is mostly because I don't rate Mxy or any other 5-D Imp as Multiversal, only Universal or so, as far as I'm concerned when they said he EJ could warp all of reality(I think I'm misquoting here, so feel free to correct me) he meant the universe, not multiverse.
@thekinfing: Ah, I see your reasoning. Well, you are mistaken.
Emperor Joker was explicitly stated to be at risk of destroying the multiverse and, indeed, all of timespace as a side-effect of using his powers irresponsibly.
"Not just your Earth, not just your Universe, but everything that is, was, or will be."
Lucifer is beyond all dimensional limitations, so stop trying.
This isn't vsbattles wiki. We use feats not dimensions.
@spideyjust: Don't worry about VS Battles Wiki, his feats alone is the only reason I'm saying he's above all dimensional limitations.
@princeleif: so does that whole mortal thing just apply to other god-pantheons?
@tjd2814: Lucifer's just like the the Endless, it's not that he lose his power inside the realms of other pantheons but he have to follow the rules
Remember when he went to the Mansion of Silence? they thought that he cant enter that realm and hes powerless inside but when Lucifer entered(without permission) he was so powerful that he collapsed the entire dimension and the countless Creation inside it
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