Mr Majestic vs Superman and Black Adam

So Mr Majestic goes berserk and Black Adam and Superman join forces to stop him ! can they do it ? 

I'm going with team. I agree Majestic could take either of them one on one, but there's strength in numbers and especially with the strength and speed of both BA and Supes working together. I say team for the majority.

Superman and BA do the Fusion Dance and become Blackman the Super Adam, they then proceed to destroy Majestic with a finger flick.

@logy5000: No hes not. His best Speed feat was using a Invention to help him achieve FTL travel.

Majestic is incredibly overated on these threads and from what I seen of his Actual feats are comparable to pre 52 Supes.

He had to put in major effort to redirect a Comet smaller than Pluto!

Supes or BA can do that. Big deal...

@King Saturn said:

@SHAZAM117 said:

I'm going with team. I agree Majestic could take either of them one on one, but there's strength in numbers and especially with the strength and speed of both BA and Supes working together. I say team for the majority.

strength in numbers is valuable when you have actual numbers.... but it's a 2 on 1 here... 2 versus 1 is an advantage... but it's not a significant one considering how strong and fast, Majestic is... as well as Majestic is smarter than both Kal-El and Adam... even if they blitzed him at once Majestros should be quick enough to evade their efforts and apply a counter attack...

mj is stronger than ba or kal but he is not faster or more durable than superman.actually mj best feat of durability is taking a nuke. i don't even think that mj is smarter than kal,since he ( during the past years) had got a brain boost and was able to rebuild the "miracle machine" that was told to be most advanched machine in the universe.

this could be an hard fight for mj with just superman,and if kal fights with ba i would say that the team wins 10/10

Even if Adam and Superman were physically equal to Majestic, as a Kheran warlord he's still a much better fighter. Him taking on the two of them would be like Batman taking on two weightlifters. They're physically on his level, but skillwise they're nowhere close. Throw a dozen well-trained ninjas at Batman and he still wins. The numbers argument isn't a meaningful one.

@logy5000 said:

@King Saturn: Is Majestic actually faster than Superman?

Travel speed, you can use Majestic's highest speed feat (during the first issue of his solo when confronting the Cosmic Negator) to make some claims, but it's unnecessary because travel speed is irrelevant here. In terms of operational speed, I'd say Majestic is faster. He's demonstrated incredibly fast conscious operational speed (the oft-mentioned molecular disassembler feat) and he also has high unconscious reflexes, the same thing Batman agreed made Wonder Woman faster than Superman when it comes to fighting and reacting.

As for the claim that he had trouble with a comet, it's a sad attempt at low-balling. In the very same comic he moved every planet in the solar system. Just a little bit of thought would tell you that moving a comet wasn't an effort for him. [Sarcasm] I suppose him gritting his teeth means he's at the end of his strength, right? It couldn't possibly be because he's controlling how much he slows and redirects it, right? [/Sarcasm] He explicitly says that he made gloves to make sure the planets don't break under the force he's exerting. He's not wearing the gloves when moving the comet. It seems to me that instead of the comet being too much for him, he's displaying effort because catching a comet and altering its trajectory while it's flying and without damaging it isn't the easiest thing to do carefully. Smaller sentence: It's not that he doesn't have enough strength, it's that he has too much. He's performing a precise task that requires a ton of strength. It's a tricky balance.

Majestic

@Buckshot said:

Even if Adam and Superman were physically equal to Majestic, as a Kheran warlord he's still a much better fighter. Him taking on the two of them would be like Batman taking on two weightlifters. They're physically on his level, but skillwise they're nowhere close. Throw a dozen well-trained ninjas at Batman and he still wins. The numbers argument isn't a meaningful one.

@logy5000 said:

@King Saturn: Is Majestic actually faster than Superman?

Travel speed, you can use Majestic's highest speed feat (during the first issue of his solo when confronting the Cosmic Negator) to make some claims, but it's unnecessary because travel speed is irrelevant here. In terms of operational speed, I'd say Majestic is faster. He's demonstrated incredibly fast conscious operational speed (the oft-mentioned molecular disassembler feat) and he also has high unconscious reflexes, the same thing Batman agreed made Wonder Woman faster than Superman when it comes to fighting and reacting.

As for the claim that he had trouble with a comet, it's a sad attempt at low-balling. In the very same comic he moved every planet in the solar system. Just a little bit of thought would tell you that moving a comet wasn't an effort for him. [Sarcasm] I suppose him gritting his teeth means he's at the end of his strength, right? It couldn't possibly be because he's controlling how much he slows and redirects it, right? [/Sarcasm] He explicitly says that he made gloves to make sure the planets don't break under the force he's exerting. He's not wearing the gloves when moving the comet. It seems to me that instead of the comet being too much for him, he's displaying effort because catching a comet and altering its trajectory while it's flying and without damaging it isn't the easiest thing to do carefully. Smaller sentence: It's not that he doesn't have enough strength, it's that he has too much. He's performing a precise task that requires a ton of strength. It's a tricky balance.

that speed feat is not above some of the superman's highest speed feats.but as you say travel speed may be irrelevant. then (regarding his reflexes), the molecular machine feat is mj's better one but he has performed that just once and has never done anything similar ( or even close) after that. for the "ww having better relexes" argument that COULD be true Before superman obtained his boosted brain capabilities...and then no more.

mj has NEVER defeated anyone that was on superman level and here he is fighting against 2 beings that powerful. regarding all mj's incredible skill it would be great if it was supported by some comic. he is for shure a great warrior and he can even be 1000 years old and have a grat experiences but when he fights he just uses his punches to smash his enemies' skulls.this may be the same argument for thor,i am just making an example. however superman is a great fighter too: he was trained by some of the best dc fighters ( ww,batman and even mongul and martian manhunter);plus he has fought a war for 1000 years against a race of demons and ,after winning that, he was send back to his timeline.so he has a greater experience than many people believe even if he doesn't show it too much. then we have black adam who is just one of the ruthless foes in dc universe.

so mj is fighting against somebody that can move more than 1/2 of the earth and take supernovas( mj is not even close to that) and a guy who posses the powers of 7 gods and nothing of their compassion. here mj loses 10/10.

Majestic. Stronger, maybe faster, smarter and DEFINITELY better trained since he's a thousands of years old warrior.

Majestic is going to make them squeal.

mj is not faster (or more clever) than superman ,and he was easily koed by captan atom ( who after doing that said that kal was stronger) and even by bombard. superman and ba are more than enough to make him sqeal... or even worse. plus kal was on a par with a japanese god of war in terms of fighting,so he can be as skilled (or even more) than mj:

@toptom said:

@Buckshot said:

Even if Adam and Superman were physically equal to Majestic, as a Kheran warlord he's still a much better fighter. Him taking on the two of them would be like Batman taking on two weightlifters. They're physically on his level, but skillwise they're nowhere close. Throw a dozen well-trained ninjas at Batman and he still wins. The numbers argument isn't a meaningful one.

@logy5000 said:

@King Saturn: Is Majestic actually faster than Superman?

Travel speed, you can use Majestic's highest speed feat (during the first issue of his solo when confronting the Cosmic Negator) to make some claims, but it's unnecessary because travel speed is irrelevant here. In terms of operational speed, I'd say Majestic is faster. He's demonstrated incredibly fast conscious operational speed (the oft-mentioned molecular disassembler feat) and he also has high unconscious reflexes, the same thing Batman agreed made Wonder Woman faster than Superman when it comes to fighting and reacting.

As for the claim that he had trouble with a comet, it's a sad attempt at low-balling. In the very same comic he moved every planet in the solar system. Just a little bit of thought would tell you that moving a comet wasn't an effort for him. [Sarcasm] I suppose him gritting his teeth means he's at the end of his strength, right? It couldn't possibly be because he's controlling how much he slows and redirects it, right? [/Sarcasm] He explicitly says that he made gloves to make sure the planets don't break under the force he's exerting. He's not wearing the gloves when moving the comet. It seems to me that instead of the comet being too much for him, he's displaying effort because catching a comet and altering its trajectory while it's flying and without damaging it isn't the easiest thing to do carefully. Smaller sentence: It's not that he doesn't have enough strength, it's that he has too much. He's performing a precise task that requires a ton of strength. It's a tricky balance.

mj has NEVER defeated anyone that was on superman level

Helspont.

I dont know anything about Mr.Majestic can someone enlighten me? Is this guy powerful enough to take on supes and black adam?

@Eternal19 said:

I dont know anything about Mr.Majestic can someone enlighten me? Is this guy powerful enough to take on supes and black adam?

Majestic is a character who hovers slightly above Superman in terms of speed, strength, reflexes, etc. Basically has the same power set as well, but no weakness to kryptonite. However, his main advantage is that he is a complete genius as well. I dunno if he could take BA and Supes together, even one on one I would bet he'd have a hard time fighting them. I don't have any scans, you'd have to ask someone else, but that's about how I would describe him from a general aspect.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

@Floopay said:

@Eternal19 said:

I dont know anything about Mr.Majestic can someone enlighten me? Is this guy powerful enough to take on supes and black adam?

Majestic is a character who hovers slightly above Superman in terms of speed, strength, reflexes, etc. Basically has the same power set as well, but no weakness to kryptonite. However, his main advantage is that he is a complete genius as well. I dunno if he could take BA and Supes together, even one on one I would bet he'd have a hard time fighting them. I don't have any scans, you'd have to ask someone else, but that's about how I would describe him from a general aspect.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

thanks for the info

Does anyone have scans of Mr. Majestic cause I have never heard of him, so unless someone can give me some sorta feats, I give it to the Team.

@toptom: We've gone through all this in multiple threads and I found your responses insufficient, so forgive me if I don't pay every one of your repeated arguments much attention. As it is, I'm already almost tired of repeating myself and we've barely started.

The idea that Majestic making the molecular disentangler is his only high operating feat is a false one. He has, on multiple occasions (the Ark, the Cration engine, and Eradicator off the top of my head) done amazingly complex programming tasks at high speeds. For the Eradicator feat he's quoted as reading and rewriting info flowing as light at billions of units per second. And then there are feats of him moving so fast he's working over large areas (once, the entire planet) and appearing everywhere at once. High operational speed isn't a one-off thing for Majestic. You provided no evidence for a "brain boost" for Superman in the other threads where we talked about it so I don't expect you'll be able to support it here either and I see no reason to think Batman Usain Bolt/Bruce Lee comparison wouldn't also make sense for Superman/Majestic.

For the skill argument, I actually want to ask you a question. You bring up Superman fighting a japanese war god and using that to say Superman can be skilled. Where do you see Superman being "on par" due to hand to hand skill? He ambushes him and uses laser vision during the fight, but yet he's still getting beat up and he's the one hurting and out of breath at the end. Not that I feel this is an accurate measure of much, but I notice if you remove the ambush and laser vision (so you're actually looking at just his h2h fight), Superman gets hit at least twice as much as he does the hitting. I just don't know how being worse off after an ambush shows that Superman is on par. But that's not even my main question really. The real question was how you're determining that Superman being on his level makes him skilled? How skilled is this character? Based on what? You want say Majestic isn't skilled because you think it's not supported by any comic, but what are the comics you're using to back up the character's skill? Just curious. Your defense of Superman's skill is laughable. You say Superman was trained by some of the best (since when is Martian Manhunter considered a great martial artist??) but Majestic was trained to kill from birth, raised in a culture that glorified war, and was the protege of the best warlord of his people, a conqueror of galaxies that was so terrifying he had to be trapped in another dimension. You say Superman got 1000 years of combat experience in a war, but Majestic has been a skilled warlord (highest ranking officer) for thousands of years of war and a skilled fighter for thousands of years before that. You say Black Adam is ruthless and I don't need to support Majestic there, I'll just remind you that ruthlessness doesn't make you a better fighter.

And on Captain Atom beating Majestic, did you forget that Majestic no-sold his rage haymaker the next time they met? That he easily tossed him around Washington? As for Bombard, he was capable of tanking multiple shots that dwarfed the Tunguska event. Majestic went on to beat him (and then later the 6 powerful rulers of his people in one big fight). He's also taken down Spartan (physically a match for Majestic and with all the combat skills of the Coda programmed into his brain) multiple times, no-sold Maul's hits to the face before one-shotting him, and fought evenly (the fight was interrupted before it concluded) with Defile.

@Eternal19 said:

@Floopay said:

@Eternal19 said:

I dont know anything about Mr.Majestic can someone enlighten me? Is this guy powerful enough to take on supes and black adam?

Majestic is a character who hovers slightly above Superman in terms of speed, strength, reflexes, etc. Basically has the same power set as well, but no weakness to kryptonite. However, his main advantage is that he is a complete genius as well. I dunno if he could take BA and Supes together, even one on one I would bet he'd have a hard time fighting them. I don't have any scans, you'd have to ask someone else, but that's about how I would describe him from a general aspect.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

thanks for the info

I'd also add that Majestic is a far superior fighter. On his world they're combat oriented and prefer close quarters fighting. They train to kill from birth and not only was Majestic trained by the very best his people had ever known, but he's been waging war for thousands of years. I typically think of him as DC's trinity in one body.

@Oni_Bane said:

Does anyone have scans of Mr. Majestic cause I have never heard of him, so unless someone can give me some sorta feats, I give it to the Team.

I'm curious as to why not knowing anything about one side of the fight makes you pick the other instead of refraining from making a choice entirely. In any case, the Majestic page here is pretty descriptive (unless its been vandalized again) and his forum has a capability thread in it.

Majestic, more feats and consistent

this has been debated endless times so a lock will be suffice

@xeon1cs:

Lets not hurt the superman fans, they have a movie to look up to

A battle thread rule should be made by precedent cases (like if there is more than 3 battles with the same consensus then they cannot be repeated)

@xxxddd: Because Midnighter's a better Batman, and there used to be a thing where people used to always say Batman won even if he wasn't involved in the battle.

It's a trend evolving...

@Deranged Midget: Kay, understood.

@Buckshot said:

@toptom: We've gone through all this in multiple threads and I found your responses insufficient, so forgive me if I don't pay every one of your repeated arguments much attention. As it is, I'm already almost tired of repeating myself and we've barely started.

The idea that Majestic making the molecular disentangler is his only high operating feat is a false one. He has, on multiple occasions (the Ark, the Cration engine, and Eradicator off the top of my head) done amazingly complex programming tasks at high speeds. For the Eradicator feat he's quoted as reading and rewriting info flowing as light at billions of units per second. And then there are feats of him moving so fast he's working over large areas (once, the entire planet) and appearing everywhere at once. High operational speed isn't a one-off thing for Majestic. You provided no evidence for a "brain boost" for Superman in the other threads where we talked about it so I don't expect you'll be able to support it here either and I see no reason to think Batman Usain Bolt/Bruce Lee comparison wouldn't also make sense for Superman/Majestic.

For the skill argument, I actually want to ask you a question. You bring up Superman fighting a japanese war god and using that to say Superman can be skilled. Where do you see Superman being "on par" due to hand to hand skill? He ambushes him and uses laser vision during the fight, but yet he's still getting beat up and he's the one hurting and out of breath at the end. Not that I feel this is an accurate measure of much, but I notice if you remove the ambush and laser vision (so you're actually looking at just his h2h fight), Superman gets hit at least twice as much as he does the hitting. I just don't know how being worse off after an ambush shows that Superman is on par. But that's not even my main question really. The real question was how you're determining that Superman being on his level makes him skilled? How skilled is this character? Based on what? You want say Majestic isn't skilled because you think it's not supported by any comic, but what are the comics you're using to back up the character's skill? Just curious. Your defense of Superman's skill is laughable. You say Superman was trained by some of the best (since when is Martian Manhunter considered a great martial artist??) but Majestic was trained to kill from birth, raised in a culture that glorified war, and was the protege of the best warlord of his people, a conqueror of galaxies that was so terrifying he had to be trapped in another dimension. You say Superman got 1000 years of combat experience in a war, but Majestic has been a skilled warlord (highest ranking officer) for thousands of years of war and a skilled fighter for thousands of years before that. You say Black Adam is ruthless and I don't need to support Majestic there, I'll just remind you that ruthlessness doesn't make you a better fighter.

And on Captain Atom beating Majestic, did you forget that Majestic no-sold his rage haymaker the next time they met? That he easily tossed him around Washington? As for Bombard, he was capable of tanking multiple shots that dwarfed the Tunguska event. Majestic went on to beat him (and then later the 6 powerful rulers of his people in one big fight). He's also taken down Spartan (physically a match for Majestic and with all the combat skills of the Coda programmed into his brain) multiple times, no-sold Maul's hits to the face before one-shotting him, and fought evenly (the fight was interrupted before it concluded) with Defile.

@Eternal19 said:

@Floopay said:

@Eternal19 said:

I dont know anything about Mr.Majestic can someone enlighten me? Is this guy powerful enough to take on supes and black adam?

Majestic is a character who hovers slightly above Superman in terms of speed, strength, reflexes, etc. Basically has the same power set as well, but no weakness to kryptonite. However, his main advantage is that he is a complete genius as well. I dunno if he could take BA and Supes together, even one on one I would bet he'd have a hard time fighting them. I don't have any scans, you'd have to ask someone else, but that's about how I would describe him from a general aspect.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

thanks for the info

I'd also add that Majestic is a far superior fighter. On his world they're combat oriented and prefer close quarters fighting. They train to kill from birth and not only was Majestic trained by the very best his people had ever known, but he's been waging war for thousands of years. I typically think of him as DC's trinity in one body.

@Oni_Bane said:

Does anyone have scans of Mr. Majestic cause I have never heard of him, so unless someone can give me some sorta feats, I give it to the Team.

I'm curious as to why not knowing anything about one side of the fight makes you pick the other instead of refraining from making a choice entirely. In any case, the Majestic page here is pretty descriptive (unless its been vandalized again) and his forum has a capability thread in it.

if you have found my response insufficent is just because you have paid insufficent attention.

the feats you are talking about can not be compared to the molecular machine feats at all.but besides that superman reflexes are on a par with barry allen ( who as displayed picosend reaction time) as it was showed during the grounded storyline. so mj is not faster and doesn't have faster reflexes ,i am sorry.

for superman fighting against the japanese god of war,you actually failed to realize at last 3 important things: superman was holding back ( as he always does, unlike mj) since he was defending some murders,his foe was a magical god and superman is vulnerable to magic,and that god was even armed.so i don't really see the problem if he was using hv or if he ambushed him,since he was just trying to save a man. but i am starting to realize that you don't want to accept that superman is a skilled fighter.it doesn't matter if he was trained by the best fighter in dc universe,or if he has got milliennia of experiences or even if he can goes toe to toe with a magical god of war...you are just going to ignore all of that.nice try.so at last you can give us some proff of mj being a skilled fighter since i remeber that mj even had some problems with a norman human brute when he lost temporarily his powers. (now i suppose you can just bring the koda feat,don't you?)

and now gain with mj vs cap atom. ca blasted away mj in their first round and he WASN't defeated in their 2 round...actually he didn't try to blast mj a second time.thanks to that we don't have a koed mj again. now you say that is normal that a guy ( bombard)who can take an explosion bigger than the tunguska event can take mj down...but you find impossible that a guy(superman) who can take explosion 50 times bigger than a supernova can do the same.this is just curios.then you like talking about mj defeating those 6 powerful being to support your theory of mj being a so better fighter,but you don't realize that superman has got a better feat than this: i am talking about superman vs the elite. at least the elite has got some good feats to support it's power,unlike that six beings. ah, i was missing that: spartan defeated mj.

now,on the paper, mj SHOULD be a better fighter but if we go on what it is shown in his comics you will not find anything of really impressive in that field. actually superman has used pressure points more than mj,has defeated more enemies than mj(and more powerful even)and he was able to become intangible and invisible at will. we can also say that superman let himslef being hit in order to study his foe (he has done that multiple times).

so if you want a summary: mj is not faster,has not proved to have better reflexes and hasn't showed anything impressive regarding his fighting skills,excpet for being more ruthless since he kills his enemies without hesitance. he is stronger than superman ( but not by a huge margin) but he is extremely less durable than him. hell,even mj writers think at superman and mj as equals! as you can read :http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php( just skipp to part 3)

(and if you want some proff that superman obtained his augmented brain's capabilities, after that he managed to defeat sb-prime,here you are ^^ )

@jeanroygrant: mj didn't reach the "other side of the universe" and he didn't make there under his own power but thanks to his rig. but superman has gone to the source ( that is supposed to be at the end of the universe) under his own power ,so i'd say that he can be even faster than mj.

@Chronus: no, mj didn't defeat helspont.

I must give the edge to MAJ here .

@Lvenger: I am a superman fan (TAS, Golden Age, Silver Age and elseworlds though)

just want a lock to prevent crazy stuff

people always say that mj is better than superman under all the aspects,but 9 out 10 of them has never read a mj's comic.they just know him via some respect threads. while it can be true that mj is stronger (and not by much) he has never demostrated to be faster or even more clever ( thanks to some of the latest pre 52 superman feats) than kal while he is clearly less durable.it is important to say that mj has demonstrated just once to have planetary strenght and ,in every else apparition,he is not even near to that power level. now, i don't believe that superman is stronger than mj,i just think that they are even,and this opinion is the same of some of the people who has wrote mj's stories. ( as joe casey for example,the guy who let mj to move some planets.)

it can be dedatable who wins between mj and superman( if he doesn't hold back tough) but mj vs black adam and superman is too much even for him.

@Buckshot said:

@toptom: We've gone through all this in multiple threads and I found your responses insufficient, so forgive me if I don't pay every one of your repeated arguments much attention. As it is, I'm already almost tired of repeating myself and we've barely started.

The idea that Majestic making the molecular disentangler is his only high operating feat is a false one. He has, on multiple occasions (the Ark, the Cration engine, and Eradicator off the top of my head) done amazingly complex programming tasks at high speeds. For the Eradicator feat he's quoted as reading and rewriting info flowing as light at billions of units per second. And then there are feats of him moving so fast he's working over large areas (once, the entire planet) and appearing everywhere at once. High operational speed isn't a one-off thing for Majestic. You provided no evidence for a "brain boost" for Superman in the other threads where we talked about it so I don't expect you'll be able to support it here either and I see no reason to think Batman Usain Bolt/Bruce Lee comparison wouldn't also make sense for Superman/Majestic.

For the skill argument, I actually want to ask you a question. You bring up Superman fighting a japanese war god and using that to say Superman can be skilled. Where do you see Superman being "on par" due to hand to hand skill? He ambushes him and uses laser vision during the fight, but yet he's still getting beat up and he's the one hurting and out of breath at the end. Not that I feel this is an accurate measure of much, but I notice if you remove the ambush and laser vision (so you're actually looking at just his h2h fight), Superman gets hit at least twice as much as he does the hitting. I just don't know how being worse off after an ambush shows that Superman is on par. But that's not even my main question really. The real question was how you're determining that Superman being on his level makes him skilled? How skilled is this character? Based on what? You want say Majestic isn't skilled because you think it's not supported by any comic, but what are the comics you're using to back up the character's skill? Just curious. Your defense of Superman's skill is laughable. You say Superman was trained by some of the best (since when is Martian Manhunter considered a great martial artist??) but Majestic was trained to kill from birth, raised in a culture that glorified war, and was the protege of the best warlord of his people, a conqueror of galaxies that was so terrifying he had to be trapped in another dimension. You say Superman got 1000 years of combat experience in a war, but Majestic has been a skilled warlord (highest ranking officer) for thousands of years of war and a skilled fighter for thousands of years before that. You say Black Adam is ruthless and I don't need to support Majestic there, I'll just remind you that ruthlessness doesn't make you a better fighter.

And on Captain Atom beating Majestic, did you forget that Majestic no-sold his rage haymaker the next time they met? That he easily tossed him around Washington? As for Bombard, he was capable of tanking multiple shots that dwarfed the Tunguska event. Majestic went on to beat him (and then later the 6 powerful rulers of his people in one big fight). He's also taken down Spartan (physically a match for Majestic and with all the combat skills of the Coda programmed into his brain) multiple times, no-sold Maul's hits to the face before one-shotting him, and fought evenly (the fight was interrupted before it concluded) with Defile.

@Eternal19 said:

@Floopay said:

@Eternal19 said:

I dont know anything about Mr.Majestic can someone enlighten me? Is this guy powerful enough to take on supes and black adam?

Majestic is a character who hovers slightly above Superman in terms of speed, strength, reflexes, etc. Basically has the same power set as well, but no weakness to kryptonite. However, his main advantage is that he is a complete genius as well. I dunno if he could take BA and Supes together, even one on one I would bet he'd have a hard time fighting them. I don't have any scans, you'd have to ask someone else, but that's about how I would describe him from a general aspect.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

thanks for the info

I'd also add that Majestic is a far superior fighter. On his world they're combat oriented and prefer close quarters fighting. They train to kill from birth and not only was Majestic trained by the very best his people had ever known, but he's been waging war for thousands of years. I typically think of him as DC's trinity in one body.

@Oni_Bane said:

Does anyone have scans of Mr. Majestic cause I have never heard of him, so unless someone can give me some sorta feats, I give it to the Team.

I'm curious as to why not knowing anything about one side of the fight makes you pick the other instead of refraining from making a choice entirely. In any case, the Majestic page here is pretty descriptive (unless its been vandalized again) and his forum has a capability thread in it.

Cool story bro. But I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone else. If any thread has someone I don't know in it, I will continue to do my thing on here. Also, instead of criticizing me, why don't you give me some evidence of why Mr. Majestic wins.

Mr Majestic is too fast for either of these guys.

Majestros for the win.

@Oni_Bane:

You replied on a debate thread. Your opinion is automatically subjected to criticism...That's the whole point of a forum. Its a place for people to discuss and criticize each other. If you really didn't want to be criticize you should have kept your opinion to yourself. Being childish and sarcastic doesn't help your point.

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Oni_Bane:

You replied on a debate thread. Your opinion is automatically subjected to criticism...That's the whole point of a forum. Its a place for people to discuss and criticize each other. If you really didn't want to be criticize you should have kept your opinion to yourself. Being childish and sarcastic doesn't help your point.

It doesn't matter if its a debate thread or a jump rope contest, my opinion is my opinion. I stated that i didn't know who Mr. Majestic is, therefore I went with the team. Instead of making a decent argument to change my mind, you criticize what I say by calling me 'childish' and 'sarcastic'! I'm done arguing about what I said since no one is trying to change my mind instead insulting me and acting immature and closed-minded. @jashro44 said:

@Oni_Bane:

http://www.comicvine.com/mr-majestic/29-21972/mr-majestic-capability-thread/92-626409/

Here is the majestic capability thread.

Thank you. I will check it out.

@Malevolent1 said:

Mr Majestic is too fast for either of these guys.

Majestros for the win.

ok,so prove it if you can. since superman has got better speed feats than mj.

if somebody needs it,here you are also this superman respect thread. it is pretty much a summary of every superman's capabily thread on the internet.(so you can see that mj is only a tad phisically stronger than him and nothing else)

http://www.comicvine.com/myvine/toptom/blog/

The Team win near effortlessly. I read the same Respect Threads for MJ. Not impress as WW3 Black Adam or Superman better feats.

@Oni_Bane said:

@Oni_Bane said:

Does anyone have scans of Mr. Majestic cause I have never heard of him, so unless someone can give me some sorta feats, I give it to the Team.

I'm curious as to why not knowing anything about one side of the fight makes you pick the other instead of refraining from making a choice entirely. In any case, the Majestic page here is pretty descriptive (unless its been vandalized again) and his forum has a capability thread in it.

Cool story bro. But I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone else. If any thread has someone I don't know in it, I will continue to do my thing on here. Also, instead of criticizing me, why don't you give me some evidence of why Mr. Majestic wins.

Wow, you got defensive real quick! I'm not sure where you read criticism, I implied a question you could have answered without any sort of overreaction. Yes, you're allowed to have an opinion, but to think an opinion is some magical thing that can't be questioned once you've put it out there is sort of silly. You expressed that not knowing anything about one side, you would choose the other, and I wanted to know why you would do such a thing. I don't think it's a criticism (certainly not one with the negative connotation I feel is in your words) to ask why someone would choose one thing to be better than another while knowing not a thing about one of the choices. It's a reasonable question, no need to get huffy. As for me not giving some evidence, I directed you to a page that not only describes the character you're wholly ignorant of in depth, but which also links directly to a page that shows actual scans from the comics to highlight his abilities. I honestly don't know what better evidence you could ask for. And that's just assuming that what I wrote in the thread wasn't sufficient. I don't understand why you were bothered so much by response, but I can't control your emotions.

@toptom said:

if you have found my response insufficent is just because you have paid insufficent attention.

the feats you are talking about can not be compared to the molecular machine feats at all.but besides that superman reflexes are on a par with barry allen ( who as displayed picosend reaction time) as it was showed during the grounded storyline. so mj is not faster and doesn't have faster reflexes ,i am sorry.

for superman fighting against the japanese god of war,you actually failed to realize at last 3 important things: superman was holding back ( as he always does, unlike mj) since he was defending some murders,his foe was a magical god and superman is vulnerable to magic,and that god was even armed.so i don't really see the problem if he was using hv or if he ambushed him,since he was just trying to save a man. but i am starting to realize that you don't want to accept that superman is a skilled fighter.it doesn't matter if he was trained by the best fighter in dc universe,or if he has got milliennia of experiences or even if he can goes toe to toe with a magical god of war...you are just going to ignore all of that.nice try.so at last you can give us some proff of mj being a skilled fighter since i remeber that mj even had some problems with a norman human brute when he lost temporarily his powers. (now i suppose you can just bring the koda feat,don't you?)

and now gain with mj vs cap atom. ca blasted away mj in their first round and he WASN't defeated in their 2 round...actually he didn't try to blast mj a second time.thanks to that we don't have a koed mj again. now you say that is normal that a guy ( bombard)who can take an explosion bigger than the tunguska event can take mj down...but you find impossible that a guy(superman) who can take explosion 50 times bigger than a supernova can do the same.this is just curios.then you like talking about mj defeating those 6 powerful being to support your theory of mj being a so better fighter,but you don't realize that superman has got a better feat than this: i am talking about superman vs the elite. at least the elite has got some good feats to support it's power,unlike that six beings. ah, i was missing that: spartan defeated mj.

now,on the paper, mj SHOULD be a better fighter but if we go on what it is shown in his comics you will not find anything of really impressive in that field. actually superman has used pressure points more than mj,has defeated more enemies than mj(and more powerful even)and he was able to become intangible and invisible at will. we can also say that superman let himslef being hit in order to study his foe (he has done that multiple times).

so if you want a summary: mj is not faster,has not proved to have better reflexes and hasn't showed anything impressive regarding his fighting skills,excpet for being more ruthless since he kills his enemies without hesitance. he is stronger than superman ( but not by a huge margin) but he is extremely less durable than him. hell,even mj writers think at superman and mj as equals! as you can read :http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php( just skipp to part 3)

(and if you want some proff that superman obtained his augmented brain's capabilities, after that he managed to defeat sb-prime,here you are ^^ )

Well, if you say they can't be compared at all, I'll just take your word for it! Superman being able to keep up with Barry Allen on some occasions doesn't mean he can perform Barry's high end feats. Deathstroke has outmaneuvered Flashes like it was his job for years. Does that mean he has picosecond operating speeds? Unless Barry Allen is displaying picosecond speeds when Superman is keeping up with him it doesn't mean much. He's not moving that fast every time he's going fast so Superman keeping up doesn't mean he automatically has his top speed. Also, him catching up to Barry's speed in the grounded storyline had him clearly describe that he had to elevate his speed. This goes back to the Wonder Woman/Superman comparison made by Batman where it's pointed out that Wonder Woman's reflexes make her faster in a different way than someone that has to consciously think about their actions. Majestic has both the conscious speed and the unconscious speed since he can process faster like Superman and also has the thousands of years of training to turn his responses into reflex. Your evidence of Superman's operational speed now being on Majestic's level is lacking. He says he thinks faster and more precisely and his memory is better. The memory doesn't matter and the greater speed is (as shown) conscious speed, which doesn't affect his reflexes and isn't shown in any sort of combat scenario to show that it would make that different at all. Is your last image supposed to be impressive? Superman can follow something moving at lightspeed? Majestic was tracking objects moving at 6x the speed of light (while he was moving toward them faster than light making them even faster) and reprogrammed Eradicator by reprogramming light pulses at billions of units per second.

I'm not disregarding Superman's skill, I'm just saying it's not on Majestic's level, and an example of him ambushing an enemy and still being the worse off in a hand to hand fight doesn't change my mind. Sorry. And you didn't actually answer the question I asked about what you use to support the other character being skilled. And then you go back to trying to support Superman's skill by saying he was trained by some skilled fighters (even though Majestic's educational pedigree trumps it as I've already explained) and that he has 1000 years of experience (even though Majestic easily has 10,000 years of experience). It's strange to me that it doesn't bother you at all that any way you'd try to justify Superman's skill is blown out of the water by Majestic's background. And your comment about Majestic "having some problems with a normal human brute" is effortlessly countered. Majestic pointed out that the "normal human" was a Daemonite host, so already your statement is correct. And his "problems" amounted to getting punched once because he got snuck up on (and he clearly attributed that to the fact that all his extra senses that give him early warning are gone and his reflexes are greatly diminished, and seeing that that's the first interaction he has, that's all new to him) but then quickly dispatching both that guy and his partner with a few accurate strikes before his first attacker can even get out a sentence. It's actually kind of funny the two examples you chose. In the one with Superman, he ambushes an opponent and is still worse for wear at the end of his fight. In the one with Majestic, he's ambushed by two opponents and kills them. Put those two together and Superman practically failing his ambush and Majestic dominating when getting ambushed, and it only makes Maj look better. The only other measurements you seem to be using for skill seem to be pressure points and the number of enemies defeated, and you're crediting Superman with more skill because he has higher numbers. I think that's ridiculous given that the number of comics printed for the characters means that based on averages alone, Superman is going to have more than most similar, non-specialized characters. But disregarding that, why does the amount of nerve strikes mean anything? Nerve strikes aren't the right tool for every job. Even the example you posted of Majestic makes that clear. He resorts to nerve strikes for defeating his opponent because it's appropriate for the fight he's having. It's not always, and him not needing to use that all the time doesn't mean much. I think it's actually more important that it's right there in his mind so that when it is needed, he switches right to it. Along those lines, when he's attacked by enemies early on in his second solo series, he says that his mind switches to combat mode and he just starts killing his opponents (with a mix of kicks, laser vision, and two-finger strikes). THAT to me says a lot. It says that combat is reflexive for him in a way that it just is not for Superman. But I imagine that's what happens when combat is what you're born into and raised on for 10,000 years or so.

Also funny to me, you shrug off Majestic no-selling Captain Atom and the blow that deals to your argument almost as well as Majestic shrugged off Atom's attack! Pissed off Captain Atom swings on Majestic in their rematch and Maj stops it with an open palm and then tosses him around Washington. Downplay it all you like. As for Bombard, he blasted Majestic out of the sky while he was exploring a new world. What happens right after he picks up the stunned Majestic? Majestic overcomes his strength with ease, fights his friend the speedster while their telekinetic buddy is trying to hold him in place, beats them both and their other telekinetic buddy, then punches Bombard out of the area. So sure, I could say it's normal that someone that is barely hurt by multiple blasts a hundred times more forceful than the tunguska event could stun Majestic...and it's also normal that Majestic would then wipe the floor with him. You want to bring up Superman's durability to big explosions like that somehow erases all the times he's hurt in physical fights. Are these characters going to be throwing supernovas at each other? I doubt it. They're going to throw fists and laser vision (and in Majestic's case, swords). Superman survived a supernova and Majestic moved the sun with his bare hands and survived the explosion that destroyed the Earth. They can both do large scale durability. I have no problem saying that Superman has displayed some great feats when it comes to surviving explosions and energy attacks. In this close quarters fight against a person and not an explosion, that's not likely to be of much use to him.

So if you want a summary: Majestic is a better fighter than both the characters here by your most commonly used standards of measurement. He's also armed better than both his opponents. He also happens to be far and away stronger than either of them. I'll go ahead and say the difference in their conscious operational speed is negligible, but Majestic's thousands of years of training make his automatic reflexes better, which would be very significant in a close quarters fight (which is really the only way this ends because laser vision isn't going to stop anyone here). Superman's durability may be the highest of the three in terms of energy attacks, but they're all pretty equal when it comes to the sort of super-brick-punching that will be going on. So, 3 fighters with roughly (I'll be generous) equal stats, 2 against 1, but the lone fighter is armed with his weapon of choice, has battle honed reflexes the others don't, and is much more skilled.

team wins this easy

@Buckshot said:

@Oni_Bane said:

@Oni_Bane said:

Does anyone have scans of Mr. Majestic cause I have never heard of him, so unless someone can give me some sorta feats, I give it to the Team.

I'm curious as to why not knowing anything about one side of the fight makes you pick the other instead of refraining from making a choice entirely. In any case, the Majestic page here is pretty descriptive (unless its been vandalized again) and his forum has a capability thread in it.

Cool story bro. But I'm entitled to my opinion just like everyone else. If any thread has someone I don't know in it, I will continue to do my thing on here. Also, instead of criticizing me, why don't you give me some evidence of why Mr. Majestic wins.

Wow, you got defensive real quick! I'm not sure where you read criticism, I implied a question you could have answered without any sort of overreaction. Yes, you're allowed to have an opinion, but to think an opinion is some magical thing that can't be questioned once you've put it out there is sort of silly. You expressed that not knowing anything about one side, you would choose the other, and I wanted to know why you would do such a thing. I don't think it's a criticism (certainly not one with the negative connotation I feel is in your words) to ask why someone would choose one thing to be better than another while knowing not a thing about one of the choices. It's a reasonable question, no need to get huffy. As for me not giving some evidence, I directed you to a page that not only describes the character you're wholly ignorant of in depth, but which also links directly to a page that shows actual scans from the comics to highlight his abilities. I honestly don't know what better evidence you could ask for. And that's just assuming that what I wrote in the thread wasn't sufficient. I don't understand why you were bothered so much by response, but I can't control your emotions.

@toptom said:

if you have found my response insufficent is just because you have paid insufficent attention.

the feats you are talking about can not be compared to the molecular machine feats at all.but besides that superman reflexes are on a par with barry allen ( who as displayed picosend reaction time) as it was showed during the grounded storyline. so mj is not faster and doesn't have faster reflexes ,i am sorry.

for superman fighting against the japanese god of war,you actually failed to realize at last 3 important things: superman was holding back ( as he always does, unlike mj) since he was defending some murders,his foe was a magical god and superman is vulnerable to magic,and that god was even armed.so i don't really see the problem if he was using hv or if he ambushed him,since he was just trying to save a man. but i am starting to realize that you don't want to accept that superman is a skilled fighter.it doesn't matter if he was trained by the best fighter in dc universe,or if he has got milliennia of experiences or even if he can goes toe to toe with a magical god of war...you are just going to ignore all of that.nice try.so at last you can give us some proff of mj being a skilled fighter since i remeber that mj even had some problems with a norman human brute when he lost temporarily his powers. (now i suppose you can just bring the koda feat,don't you?)

and now gain with mj vs cap atom. ca blasted away mj in their first round and he WASN't defeated in their 2 round...actually he didn't try to blast mj a second time.thanks to that we don't have a koed mj again. now you say that is normal that a guy ( bombard)who can take an explosion bigger than the tunguska event can take mj down...but you find impossible that a guy(superman) who can take explosion 50 times bigger than a supernova can do the same.this is just curios.then you like talking about mj defeating those 6 powerful being to support your theory of mj being a so better fighter,but you don't realize that superman has got a better feat than this: i am talking about superman vs the elite. at least the elite has got some good feats to support it's power,unlike that six beings. ah, i was missing that: spartan defeated mj.

now,on the paper, mj SHOULD be a better fighter but if we go on what it is shown in his comics you will not find anything of really impressive in that field. actually superman has used pressure points more than mj,has defeated more enemies than mj(and more powerful even)and he was able to become intangible and invisible at will. we can also say that superman let himslef being hit in order to study his foe (he has done that multiple times).

so if you want a summary: mj is not faster,has not proved to have better reflexes and hasn't showed anything impressive regarding his fighting skills,excpet for being more ruthless since he kills his enemies without hesitance. he is stronger than superman ( but not by a huge margin) but he is extremely less durable than him. hell,even mj writers think at superman and mj as equals! as you can read :http://www.comicboards.com/joecasey-rc.php( just skipp to part 3)

(and if you want some proff that superman obtained his augmented brain's capabilities, after that he managed to defeat sb-prime,here you are ^^ )

Well, if you say they can't be compared at all, I'll just take your word for it! Superman being able to keep up with Barry Allen on some occasions doesn't mean he can perform Barry's high end feats. Deathstroke has outmaneuvered Flashes like it was his job for years. Does that mean he has picosecond operating speeds? Unless Barry Allen is displaying picosecond speeds when Superman is keeping up with him it doesn't mean much. He's not moving that fast every time he's going fast so Superman keeping up doesn't mean he automatically has his top speed. Also, him catching up to Barry's speed in the grounded storyline had him clearly describe that he had to elevate his speed. This goes back to the Wonder Woman/Superman comparison made by Batman where it's pointed out that Wonder Woman's reflexes make her faster in a different way than someone that has to consciously think about their actions. Majestic has both the conscious speed and the unconscious speed since he can process faster like Superman and also has the thousands of years of training to turn his responses into reflex. Your evidence of Superman's operational speed now being on Majestic's level is lacking. He says he thinks faster and more precisely and his memory is better. The memory doesn't matter and the greater speed is (as shown) conscious speed, which doesn't affect his reflexes and isn't shown in any sort of combat scenario to show that it would make that different at all. Is your last image supposed to be impressive? Superman can follow something moving at lightspeed? Majestic was tracking objects moving at 6x the speed of light (while he was moving toward them faster than light making them even faster) and reprogrammed Eradicator by reprogramming light pulses at billions of units per second.

I'm not disregarding Superman's skill, I'm just saying it's not on Majestic's level, and an example of him ambushing an enemy and still being the worse off in a hand to hand fight doesn't change my mind. Sorry. And you didn't actually answer the question I asked about what you use to support the other character being skilled. And then you go back to trying to support Superman's skill by saying he was trained by some skilled fighters (even though Majestic's educational pedigree trumps it as I've already explained) and that he has 1000 years of experience (even though Majestic easily has 10,000 years of experience). It's strange to me that it doesn't bother you at all that any way you'd try to justify Superman's skill is blown out of the water by Majestic's background. And your comment about Majestic "having some problems with a normal human brute" is effortlessly countered. Majestic pointed out that the "normal human" was a Daemonite host, so already your statement is correct. And his "problems" amounted to getting punched once because he got snuck up on (and he clearly attributed that to the fact that all his extra senses that give him early warning are gone and his reflexes are greatly diminished, and seeing that that's the first interaction he has, that's all new to him) but then quickly dispatching both that guy and his partner with a few accurate strikes before his first attacker can even get out a sentence. It's actually kind of funny the two examples you chose. In the one with Superman, he ambushes an opponent and is still worse for wear at the end of his fight. In the one with Majestic, he's ambushed by two opponents and kills them. Put those two together and Superman practically failing his ambush and Majestic dominating when getting ambushed, and it only makes Maj look better. The only other measurements you seem to be using for skill seem to be pressure points and the number of enemies defeated, and you're crediting Superman with more skill because he has higher numbers. I think that's ridiculous given that the number of comics printed for the characters means that based on averages alone, Superman is going to have more than most similar, non-specialized characters. But disregarding that, why does the amount of nerve strikes mean anything? Nerve strikes aren't the right tool for every job. Even the example you posted of Majestic makes that clear. He resorts to nerve strikes for defeating his opponent because it's appropriate for the fight he's having. It's not always, and him not needing to use that all the time doesn't mean much. I think it's actually more important that it's right there in his mind so that when it is needed, he switches right to it. Along those lines, when he's attacked by enemies early on in his second solo series, he says that his mind switches to combat mode and he just starts killing his opponents (with a mix of kicks, laser vision, and two-finger strikes). THAT to me says a lot. It says that combat is reflexive for him in a way that it just is not for Superman. But I imagine that's what happens when combat is what you're born into and raised on for 10,000 years or so.

Also funny to me, you shrug off Majestic no-selling Captain Atom and the blow that deals to your argument almost as well as Majestic shrugged off Atom's attack! Pissed off Captain Atom swings on Majestic in their rematch and Maj stops it with an open palm and then tosses him around Washington. Downplay it all you like. As for Bombard, he blasted Majestic out of the sky while he was exploring a new world. What happens right after he picks up the stunned Majestic? Majestic overcomes his strength with ease, fights his friend the speedster while their telekinetic buddy is trying to hold him in place, beats them both and their other telekinetic buddy, then punches Bombard out of the area. So sure, I could say it's normal that someone that is barely hurt by multiple blasts a hundred times more forceful than the tunguska event could stun Majestic...and it's also normal that Majestic would then wipe the floor with him. You want to bring up Superman's durability to big explosions like that somehow erases all the times he's hurt in physical fights. Are these characters going to be throwing supernovas at each other? I doubt it. They're going to throw fists and laser vision (and in Majestic's case, swords). Superman survived a supernova and Majestic moved the sun with his bare hands and survived the explosion that destroyed the Earth. They can both do large scale durability. I have no problem saying that Superman has displayed some great feats when it comes to surviving explosions and energy attacks. In this close quarters fight against a person and not an explosion, that's not likely to be of much use to him.

So if you want a summary: Majestic is a better fighter than both the characters here by your most commonly used standards of measurement. He's also armed better than both his opponents. He also happens to be far and away stronger than either of them. I'll go ahead and say the difference in their conscious operational speed is negligible, but Majestic's thousands of years of training make his automatic reflexes better, which would be very significant in a close quarters fight (which is really the only way this ends because laser vision isn't going to stop anyone here). Superman's durability may be the highest of the three in terms of energy attacks, but they're all pretty equal when it comes to the sort of super-brick-punching that will be going on. So, 3 fighters with roughly (I'll be generous) equal stats, 2 against 1, but the lone fighter is armed with his weapon of choice, has battle honed reflexes the others don't, and is much more skilled.

Maybe I overreacted. I still give it to the team, I look at the page and he looks all good, But this is Superman and Black Adam, Mr. Majestic is a great fighter and can tank a great deal but Black Adam has tanked hits from all the big guys and so has Superman. DC's golden boy and Teth are no push-overs, if they work together I believe Superman and BA can take Mr. Majestic.