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#51 Posted by MonsterStomp (19853 posts) - - Show Bio

@sachmoo said:

MAYYYY stop at Snake eyes, but i havent seen the 2nd one.

In the second film, Retaliation:

  • Snake Eyes was able to shoot several of Storm Shadow's shurikens out of the air with a machine gun. A bullet for each shuriken.
  • Easily manhandles Jinx [she had weapons while Snake had none] in training.
  • Shown to be just as agile as he was in the first film while fighting on a mountain.

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#52 Posted by r2datu (709 posts) - - Show Bio

Movie Winter Soldier runs a gauntlet against several heroes from both DC and Marvel movies:

  • Standard gear
  • Morals are off
  • Random encounter in an alley 20 feet apart
  • Victory by Death or Incapacitation
  1. Red Skull (No tesseract) Wins 8/10
  2. Hawkeye Wins 10/10
  3. Bane Wins 10/10
  4. Snake Eyes Loses 6/10
  5. Batman (No tumbler, cycle, or the Bat) Wins 9/10
  6. Wolverine Loses 7/10
  7. Deadpool Loses 8/10
  8. Spiderman Loses 8/10
  9. Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) Loses 8/10
  10. Iron Man (any armor) Could possibly beat the suitcase armor

So, how far does he go? I must note these are only the movie versions of these character so comic book stats do not matter. Also, this is the first battle I have come up with so feel free to offer suggestions, and maybe come up with your characters to add to the list.

#53 Posted by CaptainMarvelThunder (1107 posts) - - Show Bio

Movie Winter Soldier runs a gauntlet against several heroes from both DC and Marvel movies:

  • Standard gear
  • Morals are off
  • Random encounter in an alley 20 feet apart
  • Victory by Death or Incapacitation
  1. Red Skull (No tesseract) = about even
  2. Hawkeye = Winter Soldier Wins
  3. Bane = Winter Soldier Wins
  4. Snake Eyes = Winter Soldier Wins
  5. Batman (No tumbler, cycle, or the Bat) = Winter Soldier Wins
  6. Wolverine = Wolverine wins
  7. Deadpool = ?Deadpool at beginning of film or end? End of Film definately wins. First appearance may win too but it is probably about even in my opnion (though the bullet feat was pretty amazing)
  8. Spiderman = Spiderman Wins
  9. Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) = Green Goblin wins
  10. Iron Man (any armor)= Iron Man wins

He is not going to make it

#54 Posted by reaverlation (16995 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Logan

#55 Posted by r2datu (709 posts) - - Show Bio

@vandinejd_1991 said:

Movie Winter Soldier runs a gauntlet against several heroes from both DC and Marvel movies:

  • Standard gear
  • Morals are off
  • Random encounter in an alley 20 feet apart
  • Victory by Death or Incapacitation
  1. Red Skull (No tesseract) = about even
  2. Hawkeye = Winter Soldier Wins
  3. Bane = Winter Soldier Wins
  4. Snake Eyes = Winter Soldier Wins
  5. Batman (No tumbler, cycle, or the Bat) = Winter Soldier Wins
  6. Wolverine = Wolverine wins
  7. Deadpool = ?Deadpool at beginning of film or end? End of Film definately wins. First appearance may win too but it is probably about even in my opnion (though the bullet feat was pretty amazing)
  8. Spiderman = Spiderman Wins
  9. Green Goblin (Norman Osborn) = Green Goblin wins
  10. Iron Man (any armor)= Iron Man wins

He is not going to make it

Skull could barely stand after a fight with non-skilled Cap in TFA and fought like an untrained brawler. WS takes him fairly handily.

#56 Posted by dondave (38783 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Red Skull

#57 Posted by r2datu (709 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Stops at Red Skull

See earlier post.

Skull was struggling and at a disadvantage after a short battle against an unskilled Cap in TFA.

#58 Posted by Killerwasp (6018 posts) - - Show Bio
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#59 Posted by CaptainMarvelThunder (1107 posts) - - Show Bio

@r2datu: He didn't look like he was any worse off the Captain America and their fight took place in that plane thing that threw them both around a lot. Red Skull was never actually beaten by Captain America like Winter Soldier was. The cube killed him. Having trouble getting up after a good hit from Cap does not mean that he could not recover and keep fighting.

#60 Edited by r2datu (709 posts) - - Show Bio

@r2datu: He didn't look like he was any worse off the Captain America and their fight took place in that plane thing that threw them both around a lot. Red Skull was never actually beaten by Captain America like Winter Soldier was. The cube killed him. Having trouble getting up after a good hit from Cap does not mean that he could not recover and keep fighting.

He was struggling greatly against a Captain America that showed little to no skill. The battle between Skull and Cap in the first film was much shorter than either of Bucky's battles with Cap and Skull took far less hits than Bucky did and far less skilled attacks (the fight essentially consisted of wild haymakers with zero technique) and was still shaky on his feet and needed support to stand afterwards. Bucky participated in much longer fights with Cap where he was struck with spinning kicks, flying knees, suplexes and a wide variety of martial arts moves from a Cap that the directors and actors said became exponentially more skilled since the first movie. Not only that, he has far more reflex feats than Skull (dodging bullets, blocking them with his arm, repeatedly catching or deflecting Cap's shield) and his strength feats are not on par with Bucky's arm's strength feats.

#61 Posted by CaptainMarvelThunder (1107 posts) - - Show Bio

@r2datu: The battle being shorter means nothing. Neither guy really beat the other. Bucky got beat in the second film and Cap was not trying to kill him; Cap was trying to kill the Red Skull though. It's nice that he became more skilled but that does not mean that he was on another level than the Red Skull.

#62 Posted by MetalGOD (378 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Barakapool

#63 Edited by r2datu (709 posts) - - Show Bio

@r2datu: The battle being shorter means nothing. Neither guy really beat the other. Bucky got beat in the second film and Cap was not trying to kill him; Cap was trying to kill the Red Skull though. It's nice that he became more skilled but that does not mean that he was on another level than the Red Skull.

It does mean something if Skull was visibly more injured after a short fight against an untrained and unskilled Cap. Both of Bucky's fights with Cap were much longer and more hard hitting with a Cap that was far more skilled. In the first fight, Cap was also trying to kill Bucky. Here are a few quotes from those involved in the film that highlight how Cap in the second movie was a completely different fighter in comparison to the first movie:

"In the '40s, it makes sense. He's off the streets. He'll fight like John Sullivan. It's that style of big swings and the shield is very pronounced because he hasn't necessarily been trained yet."

"Now that he’s in the future and he has a fast mind—it’s part of what the serum does to him—and a tactical mind, he learns things quickly. So for us, our approach was he would absorb everything in that year, year and a half. All the training he could possibly get, and all the tools at his disposal would be affected by that training. There’s some interesting moments with the shield where he uses just one handle on it in more of an Eastern style to fight people."

"The first film, it makes sense that he’s got that sort of John Sullivan approach to fighting because he was a kid off the street plucked to be a super soldier. Now, he’s trained. He’s trained exhaustively among some of the best people in the world."

"I love the way Cap moves [in that game]," exclaims the actor. "He just beats ass. That's how this guy needs to be moving. This isn't just a guy who was given the ability of speed and power. He's been training. He's got the frame of mind to absorb this information, so you can only assume with training and his ability, the guy should really be dangerous. We show that."

"“One of the things we all agreed on was stepping up Captain America’s fighting ability,” says Chris Evans. “In the first film, he had just achieved the strength, power, and prowess, but we didn’t get the chance to give him any training. In Marvel’s The Avengers, there were so many new characters, abilities, and relationships that needed to be established so you couldn’t afford much screen time individually to any one character. In this film though, we really get to show Cap advancing in his skills and stepping up the fighting techniques much more.”

Director Joe Russo points to a big action scene on the ship, Lumerian Star, early in the film that highlights Captain America’s new, advanced skills: “You’ll also see in this sequence that Cap’s been training with modern techniques since The Avengers, like Krav Maga — real-world techniques developed to deal with enemy combatants in close quarters. One of our favorite moments from a character-defining standpoint, in terms of moving Cap employing modern techniques, is that he takes a knife from one pirate and throws it through the hand of another, because the second pirate is reaching for the alarm and it’s the only way Cap can stop him. Using your assailant’s weapon against him is a main tenant of Krav Maga.”

“During WWII, a lot of folks fighting in the war had been on the streets of Brooklyn, or wherever they came from, just a few weeks earlier,” explains Anthony. “Very few soldiers were career soldiers. The same with Cap. He was transformed into a super soldier and then called into action before he had any significant training. He had a John Sullivan style of fighting, which was endearing in its simplicity. But now as the decades have progressed, and we’ve turned warfare into a science, Cap has a lot more tools at his disposal to turn him into a modern warrior. We wanted to be very inventive in conceiving new ways for him to use the shield. Conceiving new fighting techniques. We went through months of staging fights and shooting them and thinking about what excited us about them.”

Stunt coordinator Thomas Robinson Harper explains the styles of fighting used in the sequence and the film. “The fighting techniques that we used in this are a mixture of Parkour, Brazilian Ju Jitzu, karate and boxing,” says Harper. “So it’s truly a mixed martial arts that we had Chris training for because part of bringing the character into modern day is that Steve Rogers has studied and mastered these modern fighting styles and techniques. It’s very hard to integrate all those fighting styles and techniques together because one generally doesn’t work with another, but we figured out a way to make it flow and show that he has learned these things, and that’s how he has to fight in a modern world.”

"The great thing about the first movie, and World War II in general, is that you got plucked off the streets of Brooklyn and then six weeks later you’re in France, fighting. So we always say it’s kind of like a John Sullivan style of fighting because you’re essentially untrained.

Now, people are hyper-trained. Our training now is so thorough, and that’s what Cap would be doing with himself. He would be studying all the modern fighting techniques and military techniques. And he would know Krav Maga, etc. So that was really where we wanted to push him forward, and he was really excited by that. ... And, you can see in the movie, he has a very different fighting style than in the first one."

"Steve Rogers’ style of fighting also got an upgrade. His fighting style was very 1940s old-school kick and punch but now Rogers has upped his game by mastering modern fighting techniques like Kung Fu, Mixed Martial Arts, Jujitsu and Krav Maga."

"In our minds he's been in the modern world a couple years now and he's been training himself to be the best soldier he can be today," Anthony said. "The soldier he was in WWII is gone and he has a totally new fighting style and this is where you see it for the first time."

The untrained and unskilled Cap in the first movie was able to visibly injure and gain the advantage over Red Skull with a few basic, unskilled hits. Bucky's strength, skill, speed and durability feats far outstrip anything Skull did in the first movie.

Strength: Skull's best feat is denting a thin sheet of metal and knocking Cap down with a punch. In Skull's fight with Cap, he proved to be weaker as at one point they tackled each other and Cap was easily able to force him back and ram him into a wall and at another, Cap just simply flung Skull like a ragdoll into the control panel. Remember, this is an unskilled and untrained Cap. Bucky's best feat is punching a deep hole into a road. In the first fight, when he punched Cap the first time with his metal arm, Cap was flung twenty feet away and a later glancing blow through Cap into a corkscrew flip from the sheer force. Bucky was able to grab Cap by the throat, drag him close, hold him and then fling him so hard he went flying over a car. Cap tried to hold back Bucky's arm when Bucky tried to stab him, but even with both arms, he was unable to hold him back. This happened again on the helicarrier and once again, Cap wasn't able to hold his arm back and Bucky overpowered him.

Skill: Skull displayed absolutely no skill in his fight with Cap. Much like Cap, he had a "Joe Sullivan" fighting style where he essentially just threw big, wild swings with no technique. Bucky displayed a much more varied and vicious fighting style and actually showed technique in his punches.

Speed/Reactions: Skull has essentially no speed or reaction feats to speak of. His hits in the first movie were generally quite slow and clumsy. Bucky was able to display far more strikes per second with much more ferocity and speed behind his blows (just look at his initial flurry with Cap in the first fight). Skull was unable to react to Cap throwing the shield at him when Cap was right in front of him. Bucky was able to catch the shield at night time with his back turned while sprinting. Cap was never actually able to tag him with a shield throw in the movie as he continually dodged or deflected them. Not only that, he was able to deflect a bullet with his metal arm and dodged point blank automatic gunfire AFTER it was fired when he was fighting Falcon. He was also able to tag Falcon in mid air (who had been able to dodge missiles and cannon fire with ease before that point).

Durability: Skull has essentially no durability showings. He took a few hits from Cap in their first fight and was visibly staggered and needed support to stand. Even after he stood, he was swaying on his feet. During that fight, he took a few wild punches with no technique from an untrained Cap. As mentioned before, in Bucky's first fight, he faced a Cap who was trying to kill him. He took Cap's more focused and skilled punches as well as a myriad of other strikes such as flying knees, spinning kicks, suplexes and throws. The same goes for his second fight.

Skull really has no feats to suggest that he could take a majority.

#64 Posted by comicace3 (6356 posts) - - Show Bio
#65 Edited by Stormdriven (5520 posts) - - Show Bio
#66 Posted by Cregan_Stark (2096 posts) - - Show Bio

No way he gets past Wolverine

#67 Posted by CaptainMarvelThunder (1107 posts) - - Show Bio

@r2datu: I did not believe that he would take a majority to me they were about even. Skull being physically stronger and faster of the two in my opinion and Bucky having a robot arm for an advantage as well as some modern techniques. To me they were about even. Skull's fight with Cap in the first movie is just crazy as they are on a aircraft that keeps throwing them around. Skull got hurt in his fight but it wasn't like he didn't hurt Cap. Red Skull was never beaten by Cap and Bucky was beaten by a Cap that did not want to kill him. Cap probably was trying to kill him in the first fight, but I never said I thought Red Skull was definitely better than Winter Soldier, I just thought they were on par with one another, and the fight could go either way. Skull may not have as good a showings as Winter Soldier but that does not mean that he was physically inferior. Red Skull had the same serum that Cap did in the movies so I figured that he was Captain America's equal in strength and speed.

Skull did not have many showings because he was a leader during the war and not a high level grunt/assassin like Winter Soldier. But he has feats to show that he is on par with Captain America. In their first meeting Cap punches Skull and stuns him then Skull drops Captain America with his first punch that lands.

Just watched the final fight between Skull and Cap and they look about even. Skull actually seems like the better fighter as Cap has a weapon (skulls guns as well as most people's guns are worthless against Cap it seems) and Skull still seems to land the better shots until Cap uses some other weapon (or a cleaver move like that headbutt) to gain the advantage. As far a Cap seeming stronger for pushing him up against the wall that was because Cap was lower than him (just like wrestlers when the shoot on one another).

Even if he gets past Skull (which I think he defiantly is capable of) I don't see him clearing this gauntlet.

#68 Posted by theamazingbatman (2150 posts) - - Show Bio

This is an impassable gauntlet . remove characters like spiderman and ironman .