#1 Posted by RIKR2 (8470 posts) - - Show Bio

vs

No one's holding back, who survive in the end?

#2 Posted by tomlikesfries (4519 posts) - - Show Bio

LOL. Jean looks so funny in that pic.

#3 Posted by Xanni15 (6753 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer.

#4 Posted by Kovak (748 posts) - - Show Bio

Got to go with Surfer. I'm fairly sure he could withstand her disintegration field a la Wolverine, given how he was healing from Galactus.

#5 Posted by Bane_of_sith (2700 posts) - - Show Bio

SS FTW

#6 Posted by CountofMC (129 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer showed greater versatility and durability. His power output at the end of the movie in space was impressive too.

#7 Posted by YoungJustice (6374 posts) - - Show Bio

Jean looks like the old woman from Devil...

#8 Posted by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1660 posts) - - Show Bio

Surfer should win it

#9 Posted by cameron83 (6416 posts) - - Show Bio

wtf is wrong with ms grey

#10 Edited by SHARKBEARAGATOR (1660 posts) - - Show Bio

@cameron83: That's what happens when you smoke to much. Live & Learn kids.

#11 Posted by RIKR2 (8470 posts) - - Show Bio

@SHARKBEARAGATOR said:

@cameron83: That's what happens when you smoke to much. Live & Learn kids.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

#12 Posted by GhostRider2 (2990 posts) - - Show Bio

Silver Surfer.

#13 Posted by CountofMC (129 posts) - - Show Bio

Of course if it's that time of the month she might win...

#14 Posted by hyperbeing (380 posts) - - Show Bio

guys stop making jokes about how she looks like that i admit she looks funny . anyway jean grey was shown destroying an entire island or was about to and the reaosn she couldnt harm wolverine much is causel ikely she was holding back partialy she could have easily destroyed his brain or break him apart. or used her tleepathy to shut his brain off. but ill admit silver surfer has shown incredible pwoer to but who can disentgirate hwo first and silver surfer can be wealened if she throwsh im off his board so if she does that she will win. causei n the movies without his board silver srufer is way weaker and loses alot of his power.

#15 Posted by The_Roman (3295 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperbeing said:

guys stop making jokes about how she looks like that i admit she looks funny . anyway jean grey was shown destroying an entire island or was about to and the reaosn she couldnt harm wolverine much is causel ikely she was holding back partialy she could have easily destroyed his brain or break him apart. or used her tleepathy to shut his brain off. but ill admit silver surfer has shown incredible pwoer to but who can disentgirate hwo first and silver surfer can be wealened if she throwsh im off his board so if she does that she will win. causei n the movies without his board silver srufer is way weaker and loses alot of his power.

  • Yeah, but the only thing that was shown as being able to knock him off his board was a tachyon pulse. Even Galactus' power, which was a lot similar to Phoenix's disintegration field, wasn't enough to kill him.
  • In addition, the Phoenix was in charge of that disintegration field, the reason that Wolverine managed to get through was because of his healing factor, a feat that Surfer equaled when he flew into Galactus. Even Jean knew the Phoenix was completely in charge by the end of the film, given why she told Wolverine to kill her.
  • Also, Surfer's completely immune to telepathy, a neat little trick the Power Cosmic provides.
#16 Posted by hyperbeing (380 posts) - - Show Bio

what feat shows he immune to telepathy .

jean grey was restraining herself and what shows it was that she was constiantly fighting herself in her mind and therefore her powers werent a 100%. and plus she wasnt really using all her power.. and sheh as been shown nearly wrecking an entire island at the same time while putitng up a distegration feild which further diluted her power .this shows if she focusedo n him complety and relaly wanted to kill him she ccouldve brokeh im to pieces with ease.

#17 Edited by SHAZAM117 (2166 posts) - - Show Bio

Rules of the op state no one is holding back...Surfer took out Galactus whom was larger than Earth...While Jean/PHX power was impressive it's not on the scale of Norrins, as he displayed planet size destroying power....If it was morals on, I'd give the fight to Jean, but with morals off and Surfer cutting loose he could easily take out Jean without even having to get close to her.....He's just on a higher scale of power imo

#18 Posted by The_Roman (3295 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperbeing said:

what feat shows he immune to telepathy .

jean grey was restraining herself and what shows it was that she was constiantly fighting herself in her mind and therefore her powers werent a 100%. and plus she wasnt really using all her power.. and sheh as been shown nearly wrecking an entire island at the same time while putitng up a distegration feild which further diluted her power .this shows if she focusedo n him complety and relaly wanted to kill him she ccouldve brokeh im to pieces with ease.

  • Comic Power Cosmic made him completely immune to telepathy. It would naturally make sense that the movie version shared certain features in common with the comic version.
  • When she was vapourising the island with a disintegration field, disassembling things into atoms? I don't think she was restraining herself, given the fact that Phoenix was the psychological embodiment of Jean's unreleased power, and had taken over.
  • It was the disintegration field doing the wrecking. Therefore, all her power was focused on the disintegration field. It's her most powerful feat, and the one I am judging this battle on, where she instantly atomised three mutants, yet Wolverine was able to walk through it and get all the way to her. Surfer has displayed durability and healing feats that put him on Wolverine's level.
  • Failing that, he could trap her in his board.
#19 Edited by hyperbeing (380 posts) - - Show Bio

the silver srufer wasnt imuune to telepathy just very resistant to it.

she didnt put all her poweri n the disintgration field cause the jean grey side of her was constantly battleing her and she may have wanted to get wolverine close to her cause she couldve jsut heald hi min the air like professor xavier and distngrate him or what ever she could to to him. second if her power really was all on the disintegration feild then she wast completly focusing on wolveirne cause she couldve simple focused all her power on wolverine.

and using the comics inst a good aid much cause jean grey in the comics espcaialyi n the ultimate comics showed even without the phoenix force can kill wolverine by severign his brain stem and ripping his mind to pieces.althoguh she never actualy carried it out there was no signt that says she couldnt.she oculdve tried to decapitate him by telekinetikly seperating the admantiium molecules

#20 Posted by The_Roman (3295 posts) - - Show Bio

@hyperbeing: I'm going to state this simply:

  • I concede the Surfer telepathy point, however, Jean displayed no telepathy feats that makes me consider she's capable of besting his telepathic defenses.
  • The Jean Grey side lost that fight, hence why Wolverine had to kill her. She wasn't focusing on Wolverine because she was busy trying to eradicate everything else.
  • Yeah, and in the comics, the X-Men and the Brotherhood made a plan together to kill a demon-possessed Wolverine by Magneto tearing the adamantium off his bones and Nightcrawler tele-decapping him. Your point?
#21 Posted by justleader (1708 posts) - - Show Bio

SS wins this.

#22 Posted by hyperbeing (380 posts) - - Show Bio

she bested prof xaveier who has shown to be a powerful telepath and he did comment she way way stornger then him he only has skill over her.and if xaviers tlepeaty is as powerful as his comcis then that does show jean may be able to beat ss defneces.

.the point shows that if she had focused all her power on wolveirne he wouldve been distegrated.

as for the comics she is way weaker then movie jean or atl easy hadnt hsown feats that put er on the level of movie jean .at least without the pf.

the point is basicaly that she if she cna do that while likely not using her full pwoer then i winder if hse can produce a force equel or freater then the force that nocked ss of his board if it is then she could probly kill ss but it dpends i did notice ss is aleast fater then her. but also she has shown nullyfiying cylcops powers thus mplying she can duem ore then jsut distignagrate she can proly trnasmute and manipulatem atter on a grand scale.