movie manhattan who can beat him?

We don't know if the Doc can mentally die or not, though equivalency would suggest that since he never defended against telpathic attacks, he is not going to have any special defense from them. His mind could be subsumed that way.

@beautifulrevery: I honestly don't see what they can do to Doc that's beyond vaporizing him, from which he can, and will, come back to life in seconds.

@the_imperator: The mental thing is too uncertain, just like you said we don't know if Doc can mentally die. We do know however, that he can't physically die, and that the only way to kill him (not certain as well) is using magical toys, assuming Doc won't fight back.

@the_imperator: The mental thing is too uncertain, just like you said we don't know if Doc can mentally die. We do know however, that he can't physically die, and that the only way to kill him (not certain as well) is using magical toys, assuming Doc won't fight back.

No, to mentally die all it would take is overloading his consciousness, rewriting it, etc. And we know that Manhattan can think non-linearly, so that leaves out most human telepaths. Thanos is still possible, Tzeentch, Prof. X, etc.

Yeah but it's a really grey area. Also there's Eragon who can literally think people to death. :D

@the_red_viper: Yeah, Doc is not on the same level as SS or Atom. His feats were PIS, and they were even low showings for one who is like a god. SS would either transmute and/or absorb Doc. If he didnt feel like doing that, SS can control literally any form of energy in the universe (not to mention any of his other abilities already posted). Doc is outclassed by a lot of Cosmic characters, be it Marvel or DC.

Classic Ion may probably win.

@nerdork: PIS? Are you serious?

@the_red_viper: As serious as a Vinereal Disease!

he never defended against ones but i don't think he can actually be mind hacked because his mind as you said works in like a zillion ways he basically sees every possible outcome to ever possible action any possible man on the entire universe from to the year one million will make , thing is he can't do anything about it until the action is made XD

to add on top of that he can also tap , hack , mess up with people's heads as he did to silk specter (he gave her memories since before she was born and he wasnt even there to witness those events) so the whole telepathic thing is very complicated with doc

touche for a guy who finally knows what the doc is capable of and not just stick to INFINITY GLOVE NERDBOY COSMIC CUBE and all of those magic wankers they don't realise that whatever you do to doc (suck him into another dimension , vaporize him , warp him he doesn't physically exist so that doesn't even tingle him XD

outclassed how? what will SS do? i simply HATE when people say that someone will absorb the doc , HEY NERD DORK YOU CAN'T ABSORB SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T PHYSICALLY EXIST RIGHT? atom and ss are great but they lack what manhattan has which is no physical shape and mind reading and jizillion forcasts of the future and he does all of that in a matter of seconds , and what i said about that he is faster then flash , lets put it this way if the doc and flash compete who would get the edge of the universe doc would win

meaning he's faster , about the missile its not saying doc couldn't its what veidt thought , its a third person assumption from veidt who was evidently wrong about how he could kill the doc as well , its only then when he realised he knows nothing about doc's true powers , the doc told veidt when veidt ran away "even if i can't predict where you are (he can see through stuff) i will turn the walls into glass he can make atom the sweet roll and SS the cherry on top just like he did with the bullets he turned into snow flakes and the water he turned into gold

just ask him man...

They simply rewrite reality so that Manhattan cannot exist/is a human/etc. Cosmic Cubes can rewrite unvierses entirely, Manhattan will not be able to stand up to one. The Infinity Gauntlet grants ridiculous power, as in "can fight the Living Tribunal without getting insta-killed." The Key to Time rips Manhattan's consciousness from wherever it sits and turns it into a play toy. Heck, Celestis harvest his mind as the newest attraction in their zoo. None of these things are making him go away, they are warping reality so that he doesn't exist.

chernekov radiation only affects his looks as said by the creators and doctors at Comic Con's “The Physics of Watchmen — or Why So Blue Dr. Manhattan.”

so it has nothing to do with his control over matter

@30krobert: Well whatever type of radiation or energy he's made out of, then, Surfer has control over every spectrum.

The only difference between movie Manhattan and comic Manhattan is Ozy's machine, which mimics his powers, and that wasn't even Manhattan himself.

There is no reason to assume that Manhattan is impervious to mental attacks. There's more proof that he's vulnerable than invulnerable.

i know how ridiculous the powers of those artifacts are but i just hate to go to magic and i hate even more going to reality warping magic because basically i have this cube here i'll just make the one above all a duck in my bath tub horray! , its really hard going into manhattan's mind battle since HOW HIS MIND WORKS was never quite explained very well

as far as we know manhattan is aware to every possible effect someone can make , so he can see 500 jizillion ways for you to die that's what iam saying XD and also he has no perception of time he sees everything as a spectrum of cause and effects so its really mind boggeling to think about , i have no idea how can a telepath even find his way inside manhattans mind without getting a headache so i dont really know what can anyone do (BESIDES ACTIVATING THE LETS JUST BLOW SHIT UP PHYSICALLY MENTALLY SPIRITUALLY AND IN EVERY OTHER WAY POSSIBLE CUBE/GLOVE/DILDO or whatever magical weapon there is to mess up with stuff)

@the_red_viper said:

@russellmania77 said:

Morgan freeman from Bruce almighty

This.

@nefarious said:

The Silver Surfer.

Not this.

Doc is pretty much a god. He is, as far as we know, unkillable. He can create matter out of nothing, including new living organisms, he can resurrect himself from sub-atomic particles in a matter of seconds, he can multiply himself as many times as he wants, and each copy is totally independent and has the same powers as the original Doc. He knows the future, he can teleport himself anywhere he wants, he can walk on the surface of the sun and turn guns into snowflakes. Taking all those abilities to mind, the fact that he didn't stop the nukes is just bad writing. Silver Surfer means nothing more to him than a silver termite.

This is why I don't like Doc Manhattan being used on the Battle forums.......

that's the point manhattan isn't made out of nothing , he is literally an entity unlike other entities in the marvel universe which exist physically the doc has nothing to mess up with in the physical world

yeah so think what would happend if manhattan went bloodlust cloned himself 500 million times and blew every clone up, considering a small amount of his blue semen was enough to level every major city in the world

@30krobert said:

Well done, you just made some crap up.

his accident , yeah that one in the lab what happened there? he stopped existing , he was obliterated from this world , he became an entity , that's the point he started controlling matter

what have i exactly made up..

@30krobert: Yeah, sorry man, its all low showings for high level characters. Based on feats, and not just conjectural feats, he didnt have many that were note-worthy, or anything that SS or Atom hasnt dealt with to great success in the past. And SS can absolutely absorb Doc, its energy that he absorbs (nothing to do with a physical presence), and not all energy takes a physical form (I.E. potential energy in itself is formless, same with sound energy and magnetic energy.....)...it simply exists because it is. Any type of energy can be absorbed and used/neutralized by SS. And the fact that Doc can and does take a physical presence (intagible or not), means that SS can capitalize on that.

I also liked the feeble attempt to insult me by bifurcating my name in caps (NERD DORK). LOL, it was cute.

@30krobert: You said that he isn't made of anything and is unlike anything else in the universe.

In fact, just his appearence proves you wrong, he is blue because he's constantly leaking Cherenkov radiation and high-energy electrons, nothing Silver Surfer hasn't seen before, he could disperse and absorb Manhattan effortlessly.

I like your mode of thought. Logic doesnt seem to fit too weel for the Doc-boys in this thread.

lel

also, Ozymandias sort of did in the movie now didn't he.

Technically, some kind of physical substrate has to be housing his consciousness, otherwise he quite literally could not exist. Something has to carry his thoughts, be it magic or something else. And there are things that can shut that off. Or, as I said, the relatively mid-tier Doctor Who race the Celestis grabs his consciousness and dsiplays it in their zoo. And they force him to think of them non-stop. And then they do something debauched and have him remember it forever. Because they are dicks like that.

This a generic point I want to make concerning the Silver Surfer, in comparison to Doc Manhattan, since in this thread there is obviously going to be comparisons between the two

1. What's stopping Silver Surfer from taking Dr Manhattan to the astral plane and screwing with him there?

2. Silver Surfer himself has stated he could make singularities in people's heads. He's even made a black hole beforehand (although he ran away from it lol).

3. Silver Surfer can Warp, and the furthest Doc Manhattan has ever teleported someone to is Mars.

4. Silver Surfer has flown through a sun. Not Just walked on its surface.

5.Silver Surfer can also turn intangible too. He can also trap people in his board.

Simply put, Manhattan has done nothing to put himself on the level of Silver Surfer. He openly admitted that he could stop all the Soviet missiles. Silver Surfer channeled the energies of the crunch (so why he can't absorb Doc Manhattan is beyond me), destroyed a Planet in his fight with Morg, and was threatening to destroy the planet due a bad bad dream he was having- and when he woke up, repaired the city wide damage instantly. Silver Surfer is a Telepath who can travel to the Astral Plane at will. Doc Manhattan didn't know he was tricked into thinking his wife had cancer. Doc Manhattan has transmuted Viet Cong Soldiers into bloody messes. Silver Surfer has transmuted an alien who could survive in space into nothing but Atoms.

Calling Doctor Manhattan a silver surfer lite is being kind to the so called "Good Doctor". If you put an herald level character in the world of Watchmen they would be regarded as Gods too.

Edit- For those people claiming that Doc Manhattan failing to stop the Soviet Missiles is PIS, it isn't. That Idea is integral to the plot. Manhattan had no reason to lie about the his capabilities, and if he could stop all the soviet nukes, the Cold War would have ended flat out there and then, and the threat of nuclear war. Hostility continued between the USSR and USA because the US knew that Manhattan's presence wasn't enough to prevent MAD. Hence why Viedt made the plan to have the whole world unite against Manhattan, and ensure world wide peace.

All in all, the Wanking of Doc Manhattan needs to stop. I said it before, and I'll say it again, you put an Herald level plus character in that universe, and they would seem like God's. Such a title isn't hard to achieve when they are no other super-powered individuals in the Watchmen universe, let alone cosmic scale characters.......

... you're just making crap up now. None of that makes any sense.

Siskel & Ebert.

Current versions? Because their deaths haven't been retconned yet.

Karate Kid

Batman.

Shoulder Breaker

I just love how all the SS fans just assume that Doc will simply stand there and let SS do whatever he wants, instead of turning him into a cabbage or something.

I love how you think Silver Surfer would just stand there and let Doctor Manhattan do whatever he wants.

I mean, it's not like Norrin's faster by several degrees of magnitude...Oh, wait, he is.

Also, The Doctor from The Authority could.

@sideslash: Manhattan only needs to WANT something to happen, and it just does. If he wants SS to disappear or something, SS will just disappear.

And Surfer can do the same thing.
The fact is, in terms of comic books, Manhattan has only shown mid-level matter manipulation and teleportation and clonining, and Surfer has shown superior feats to Manhattan's. He could literally beat Manhattan at his own game.
And again, Manhattan's not even going to see Norrin.
Sure, he's impressive within his own verse, but that's because no one else has powers.

SS has shown better feats because Manhattan inly appeared in like 2 or 3 different comic books. In how many did Surfer appear? Nobody knows the true capabilities of Doc. So SS did not beat Doc at his own game, because Doc has never actually shown us how to play. I doubt we've even seen a tenth of his abilities.

You don't understand. What you're going off is called speculation.

Here we go by feats.
We've never seen Galactus at 100%. Does that mean he can rival the Living Tribunal? No, of course he can't, it'd be stupid to think he could.

Doctor Manhattan would get roflstomped by Silver Surfer from what we have seen from the two characters.

@the_red_viper: Monarch,Silver Surfer, Tyrant, Captain Atom, among others. Dr.Solarr would pull a groin muscle laughing at Dr. Manhattan before he dispersed his consciousness and absorbed his energy.

There's a difference between SS and an omnipotent being such as the Living Tribunal.

And like I've said like 100 times already, we've seen Doc at 2 or 3 comic books, and we havn't seen the full scale of his abilities. You assume SS would win because you don't know what Doc can actually do. Think outside the box.

@the_red_viper: We actually have seen the maximum of his capabilities; He couldn't stop all the nukes.

@the_red_viper: I don't see how. The difference in power is similar.

Your argument was "we haven't seen Dr Manhattan's full power, so I think he can beat anyone". How is that different to "we haven't seen Galactus' full power, so I think he can rival the Living Tribunal"?

I do know what Doc can do. I read every comic with him in (irrelevant, since you stated this is the MOVIE version), and have seen the movie five times.

Manhattan's clearly got limits (couldn't stop all of Russia's nukes). Any high-level matter manipulator in comic books wouldn't have even broken a sweat to do it.

As I said before, it's bad writing.

I didn't say Doc could beat anyone, as I don't see how anyone can beat the Tribunal of One Above All. I said he could beat Silver Surfer.

Secondly, I didn't say it was movie version. I didn't start the topic. (FIVE times? uhh, why?)

I honestly don't see any reason why Doc didn't stop the nukes. We do know that he could turn Veidt's lab into glass if he wanted to. Why didn't he do the same to the nukes? He could have effortlessly multiply himself like a million times, having twenty clones for handling each missile. Piece of cake. Like I said, bad writing. That's what you get when you mess with Alan Moore's stuff.

@the_red_viper: Obviously there is a limit on his duplicates, either on the amount of times he can do it or maybe his power halves every time he does.

Either way, him not being able to stop the nukes is the major plot detail in the only comic Manhattan has ever been in and was written by his creator, 'bad writing' isn't an excuse.

Doesn't matter if it is bad writing, THAT IS THE STATED LIMIT. Thus, that is something he cannot do, which means we can't just assume he can do better. Doesn't matter if it is PIS, Manhattan can't do it.

No. It was in "Before Watchmen", which wasn't written by Moore. We aren't told if there's a limit to the clones he can have, or if his power is halved. You're just assuming it's like that when there's no reason to.

Oh, ok, and if they release a comic in which Thor tries to lift a small rock and it's too heavy for him, is that a stated limit too? Give me a break. PIS should not be taken as examples. The fact is, Doc can alter matter at will, and he can multiply himself to an unknown and probably limitless amount of independent clones (as each clone can, in turn, multiply himself as well).

@the_red_viper:

This is from Watchmen #4, on Page 33. It's not Before Watchmen.

"We aren't told if there's a limit to the clones he can have, or if his power is halved. You're just assuming it's like that when there's no reason to."

There's a massive, blatant reason to think that there is a limit to his clones; He couldn't. stop. the. nukes.