#1 Edited by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

Avengers


Captain America

Iron Man and War Machine

Black Widow

Hawkeye

Thor

Hulk

Nick Fury

Also: Loki, Red Skull, Sif, Volstagg, and Happy Hogan

X-Men

Prof. X. First Class

Magneto First Class

Wolverine

Iceman

Nightcrawler

Storm

Cyclops

Colossus

Also: Jean, Emma (first class), Gambit, Sabretooth (X1), and Shadowcat

The Avengers have been ordered to eliminate any mutants opposing the registration act. Beast is dead.

Maria Hill was killed aswell.

#2 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

The picture for Iron Man and War machine

#3 Posted by AweSam (7375 posts) - - Show Bio

Thor solos.

#4 Edited by Picard (1003 posts) - - Show Bio

X-men. Can anyone prove that Avangers are resilient to telepathic attacks?

#5 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

I beleive Thor, Hulk, Magneto, Iron Man, and War Machine (the powerhouses) are far easier to kill in the movies, than the comic books. This is to the death by the way, and takes place in the Sahara Desert, which is where The helicarrier brought down the blackbird, killing beast (the only one who couldn't make it to Nightcrawler in time), The helicarrier is then brought down by Magneto stopping one jet (which doesn't exert him at all), and Maria Hill is killed in the crash. Iron Man and War Machine have standard armor. Nick Fury has a pistol and rocket launcher. Both teams are bloodlusted. Nightcrawler can teledismember, but not fatally.

#6 Posted by Meat_Spinner (124 posts) - - Show Bio
Bloodlusted Hulk solos.
#7 Posted by ghost_rider1 (3505 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk resistant to telepathy...especially when he is angry. Thor and hulk combined is too much for all the x men to handle

#8 Posted by Picard (1003 posts) - - Show Bio

@deadpool2421 said:

Hulk resistant to telepathy...especially when he is angry. Thor and hulk combined is too much for all the x men to handle

not in the movies.

#9 Posted by NEEK_03 (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

that version of prof x didnt have any feats showing he could control multiple minds at once. so im assuming he controls hulk and sits him out the fight, thor smashes the rest of the Xmen.

#10 Posted by Nessy (569 posts) - - Show Bio

Unfortunately a few 2 hour films can't account for several decades of comics. Assumptions have to be made.

Any assumptions that we make with regards of the comic book can be argued against. Can Xavier control the hulk or an Asgardian? Can Xavier even control iron man with his suit on?

The one thing that the Avengers have here a couple of ridiculously powerful characters that have barely been harmed. We know that magneto and xavier can die with a single hit, but no matter what Thor and Hulk will take a beating before they go down.

I'd definitely give it to the avengers.

#11 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

Movie Thor is a powerhouse, but definitely not powerful enough to solo. Anyway, time for back-up to arrive:

Gambit hears of the final stand against the avengers, and rounds up an extremely reluctant group of mutants, who've barely managed to evade the law and it's registration-act.

X-Men Back-Up

Gambit

Shadowcat, who has been on the road for months and training with an extremely reluctant ally, who's name is

Sabretooth! A man trying desperately to clean the blood off of his claws, but often has outbursts of unbridled rage that can be hazardous to anyone trying to take him out.

Loki has been watching Earth from his prison cell in Asgard. Sif grants him one week of freedom if he can assist Thor in fighting the X-Men. Loki gladly excepts, assembles a small, elite team of people, and puts them under a hypnotic influence.

Avengers Back-Up

Loki

Red Skull, who Loki tracked down to a remote part of the Russian wilderness, where he lives, having settled there after being transported there by the tesseract.

Happy Hogan

(Happy Hogan and Shadowcat are virtually useless in this fight, and will likely die quickly, adding to the bloodlust between the teams)

#12 Posted by Illuminatus (9509 posts) - - Show Bio

Puny mutants.

#13 Posted by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio

Professor X stomps.... 
 
@NEEK_03 said:

that version of prof x didnt have any feats showing he could control multiple minds at once. so im assuming he controls hulk and sits him out the fight, thor smashes the rest of the Xmen.

He made everyone freeze in the museum during X-men 2.Every single person he stopped their minds.  
 
@Nightcrawler23
 
Do they get Jean and Emma?
#14 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

Professor X stomps....

@NEEK_03 said:

that version of prof x didnt have any feats showing he could control multiple minds at once. so im assuming he controls hulk and sits him out the fight, thor smashes the rest of the Xmen.

He made everyone freeze in the museum during X-men 2.Every single person he stopped their minds.

@Nightcrawler23: Do they get Jean and Emma?

Sure, but Jean and Emma would have to be balanced out by Sif and Volstagg, who's movie versions were surprisingly unimpressive when it came to feats.

#15 Posted by sesquipedalophobe (4741 posts) - - Show Bio

Fury solos.

#16 Edited by Achilles92x (12 posts) - - Show Bio

Like someone said, Assumptions need to be made:

Asgardians are an alien mind that Prof X cannot understand. Hulk also has a mind that Prof X cannot understand.

Prof X cannot take down Thor or Hulk, so presumably Thor can then just one-hit X with lightning. I also think Hawkeye, Captain, and Black Widow with their incredible combat could take down many of the Xmen like cyclops, prof x, and storm who have no significant durability boosts. Hulk would destroy collosus. Iceman gets fried by Thor's lightning or maybe even a few blasts from Iron Man and War Machine. Nightcrawler would eventually get taken down, I feel, by Hawkeye and if not him, Thor's lightning (Thor could just send down quite a bit at once to cover a large amount of area where nightcrawler may get to).

The only real threat (with the assumption that Thor and Hulk, or at least one of them, cannot be affected by Prof X (especially 1st class Prof X) is magneto. I believe magneto in the X-men 1-3 (not first class though), could kill the hulk, but not thor (Thor's hammer would presumably not be affected my magnetism). Thor is really the deciding factor in this and the rest of the crew does what they can and Thor cleans up after.

Edit: Btw, poor wolverine gets used as a conductor for Thor's electricity... I love wolverine, but I don't think he's regenerating from that anytime soon.

#17 Posted by The Stegman (24652 posts) - - Show Bio

Totally thought Phoenix Jean was gonna be here...without her, Thor solos

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#18 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

Would Thor nullify Storm's control over lightning?

Anyway, I'm picking Avengers. Better feats against bigger threats. This Mags would definitely own Iron Man though. Unlike the pathetic AvX battle they had.

#19 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

Totally thought Phoenix Jean was gonna be here...without her, Thor solos

Jean has her phoenix powers, as stated before:@Nightcrawler23 said:

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

Professor X stomps....

@NEEK_03 said:

that version of prof x didnt have any feats showing he could control multiple minds at once. so im assuming he controls hulk and sits him out the fight, thor smashes the rest of the Xmen.

He made everyone freeze in the museum during X-men 2.Every single person he stopped their minds.

@Nightcrawler23: Do they get Jean and Emma?

Sure, but Jean and Emma would have to be balanced out by Sif and Volstagg, who's movie versions were surprisingly unimpressive when it came to feats.

#20 Edited by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad

Would Thor nullify Storm's control over lightning?

That's not guaranteed.Especially when movie Ororo has better feats and versatility with her weather powers. 
 
 
@Nightcrawler23:  Well since they have Jean.... 
 
 
Remember in X-2 when Jean blew that missile apart telekinetically? 
That is what happens to Ironman as he's flying through the air to nuke the X-men with lasers or missiles,or either Mags deals with him rather easily. 
All the street levelers are none factors 
 
Widow,Fury and Capt and Hawkeye get taken out rather easily. 
 
Hulk can be easily BFR'd by Storm or Magneto.giving everyone enough time to jump Thor. 
 
The movie X-men were overall more powerful then movie Avengers.Better feats and better showings.The only hope avengers have are Thor and Hulk,while X-men have multiple powerhouses. They have Phoenix, Storm , Prof X. Mags and Iceman. 
 
Storm could solo everyone except for Thor.Anybody remembers the dog fight scene In X-2? 
Storm created literally hundreds of tornadoes,better than any weather feat we've seen from Thor yet. Though I believe eventually they'd stalemate each other with weather, then Thor would get tired of playing with lighting and wind and physically thump Storm out of the fight.  
 
 Kitty or Nightcrawler can't be touched by no one.He ports and snatches Capt's shield easily, therefore leaving Capt open to be one shotted by many members on the X-team. 
 
If Jean gets her crazy powers from X-3 then she possibly solos. 
 
Unlike that crappy A V X gimmick, The X-men win majority of their fights. 
 

Movie X-men FTW!!

#21 Posted by The Stegman (24652 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nightcrawler23: She's not in the OP
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#22 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iamlovewithin500: Wait! They got Jean? Just read the OP and skipped through the pages. If they get Jean then I'm totally siding with XMen this time!

#23 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman:Yeah,sorry, I've been adding to both sides.

#24 Posted by The Stegman (24652 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nightcrawler23: So, assuming Jean is there, with the Phoenix....do the Avengers know what they're up against, or are they going in blind?
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#25 Posted by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio
@ssejllenrad said:

@Iamlovewithin500: Wait! They got Jean? Just read the OP and skipped through the pages. If they get Jean then I'm totally siding with XMen this time!

 Yup 
 
Widow gets her ass kicked by Kitty Pryde 
Hawkeye gets bulldozed by Peter 
 
Ironman either gets turned into a crushed can by Magneto,blown apart telekinetically by Jean or Frozen by Bobby. 
 
Capt gets decapitated with his own shield by Magneto,he gets fried by Ororo or he either a fair fight with Cyclops. 
 
Hulk gets sucked up in a tornado by Storm and BFrd 
 
Charles and Emma mind screws everyone,possibly including Thor. 
When Hulk returns to battlefield,he gets jumped badly ,or either Prof X telepathically reverts him back to Banner
 
FIN
#26 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman said:

@Nightcrawler23: So, assuming Jean is there, with the Phoenix....do the Avengers know what they're up against, or are they going in blind?

Phoenix has high power levels, but none of the B.S. shown in the final sequence of X3. The Avengers realize that jean is there, moments before the helicarrier goes down. They all have an okay understanding of who their up against, but have no idea of who might be arriving as backup.

#27 Posted by The Stegman (24652 posts) - - Show Bio
@Nightcrawler23: I still say the Avengers win, in a closer battle, Jean disentergrates a few of them before someone, probably Thor, takes her down.
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#28 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

@The Stegman: I can't really identify one team as a winner. It's four asgardians against a reality warper, with little control over her powers. Red Skull would be a problem, too, and I'd love to see a confrontation between him and Mags (Magneto being a holocaust survivor and the Skull being a former Nazi.

#29 Posted by mavfan626 (4130 posts) - - Show Bio

@Picard said:

X-men. Can anyone prove that Avangers are resilient to telepathic attacks?

#30 Posted by Achilles92x (12 posts) - - Show Bio

Sorry but if Wolverine's regeneration could allow him to make it to Jean as Phoenix, then she's screwed by Thor's durability and/or Hulk's regeneration.

Also, Thor's feats in the Avengers > Orona. They're still based off the comics where Thor>>>>>>>>>Storm.

Avengers FTW

#31 Posted by Iamlovewithin500 (1028 posts) - - Show Bio

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
 
Silly wabbit

#32 Posted by PowerHerc (84368 posts) - - Show Bio

Since the X-Men don't have Jean, the Avengers win.

#33 Posted by tootyghost (139 posts) - - Show Bio

These guys are weak.

FANTOMEX SOLOS ALL OF THEM

#34 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@sesquipedalophobe said:

Fury solos.

#35 Posted by Moonchilde (1601 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@ssejllenrad said:

@Iamlovewithin500: Wait! They got Jean? Just read the OP and skipped through the pages. If they get Jean then I'm totally siding with XMen this time!

Yup

Widow gets her ass kicked by Kitty Pryde
Hawkeye gets bulldozed by Peter

Ironman either gets turned into a crushed can by Magneto,blown apart telekinetically by Jean or Frozen by Bobby.

Capt gets decapitated with his own shield by Magneto,he gets fried by Ororo or he either a fair fight with Cyclops.

Hulk gets sucked up in a tornado by Storm and BFrd

Charles and Emma mind screws everyone,possibly including Thor.
When Hulk returns to battlefield,he gets jumped badly ,or either Prof X telepathically reverts him back to Banner

FIN

The X-Men would win, but not nearly this easily. For one, movie Peter is pretty much featless. Seriously, his only feat in the entire series is tanking tranq. darts, which isn't very impressive. Logically, if he's like his comic counter-part he should be a beast, but there's no on screen evidence to support that he is.

There's also no evidence of Storm being able to BFR Hulk. Her best feat is in X2, when she creates all the tornado's to scramble the fighter jets. Watching it, it seemed to take a lot of concentration on Storms part to do that, and she was still unable to scramble them fast enough to prevent them from firing a missile at the blackbird. If she has trouble with two fighter jets, she isn't stopping Hulk. It's also likely that Thor can shut her down entirely. Thor didn't use weather powers that often (as he doesn't need to rely on them as much), but in his fight with Destroyer he displayed greater weather feats then Storm did, and did so while also dancing around Destroyer without ever showing any strain.

Cap would beat Cyclops. Caps shield would easily tank Cyk's optic blast long enough for him to get close (it tanked a hit from Thor that destroyed the forest they were in), and movie Cap was MUCH more impressive at H2H then movie Cyclops.

The problem though is Xavier. Movie Xavier's feats are actually pretty insane. He has shown pretty consistently that he can shut down the minds of everyone in an entire room, including people as powerful as Sebastian Shaw. With cerebro he was able to do so to the entire planet. The only Avenger actually shown to resist mental powers was Iron Man, who completely resisted Loki's attempt to MC him, but to be fair Loki didn't seem to be anywhere close to Xavier in mental feats (and seemed to actually need to touch someone with his staff to MC them). Until we have good evidence to support Hulk or Thor resisting Xavier, we have to assume that they can't, and Prof. X ends up winning this for the X-Men.

#36 Posted by ssejllenrad (12847 posts) - - Show Bio

@Moonchilde: Regarding Cykes and Cap. Yeah movie Cykes was a pathetic whinner with no impressive feats but I don't think it is right to compare Thor's "smash" with his Optic Blast. First off, yes, I would agree Mjolnir is more powerful than the blast but they were quite different in terms of the punch they gave. One is a single powerful force, the other is a continuous push. It's like comparing a demolition ball with say a bulldozer. Just throwing it in there. Anyway, I agree Cap still wins that duel.

#37 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6390 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@ssejllenrad said:

@Iamlovewithin500: Wait! They got Jean? Just read the OP and skipped through the pages. If they get Jean then I'm totally siding with XMen this time!

Yup

Widow gets her ass kicked by Kitty Pryde
Hawkeye gets bulldozed by Peter

Ironman either gets turned into a crushed can by Magneto,blown apart telekinetically by Jean or Frozen by Bobby.

Capt gets decapitated with his own shield by Magneto,he gets fried by Ororo or he either a fair fight with Cyclops.

Hulk gets sucked up in a tornado by Storm and BFrd

Charles and Emma mind screws everyone,possibly including Thor.
When Hulk returns to battlefield,he gets jumped badly ,or either Prof X telepathically reverts him back to Banner

FIN

Most of your scenarios are easily turned on their head pending who's side one wants to win.

I will emphasize one thing, as soon as Storm tries to manipulate the weather, Thor shuts her down quickly and easily. (God of Thunder >>>>>> Puny Mutant.)

Only way X-Men win is via TP if we can all agree the heavy hitters would be affected. If not, the Avengers take them down.

#38 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12334 posts) - - Show Bio

Hulk and Thor clean house.

#39 Posted by Picard (1003 posts) - - Show Bio

@Nessy: Those are unfounded assumptions, nothing more. We don't know if Avengers can resist thelepathy, but we know that in "X-men 2" Xavier nearly killed every human being on the planet - yes, he needed Cerebro to do this but still... I bet that he can deal with 6 guys withouth Cerebro. Other X-men must just buy him some time.

#40 Posted by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

I prefer Avengers,but Jean Grey-Pheonix anyone?

#41 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

@PowerHerc: They do

#42 Posted by GothamRed (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

so why specifically first class xavier and magento, are they any less powerful in the later timeline?

#43 Posted by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

Then Pheonix will own

#44 Posted by GothamRed (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sci_Fi_Rulez: the phoenix isn't participating, since phoenix jean was never in the movie x-men, just the brotherhood

#45 Posted by Nightcrawler23 (775 posts) - - Show Bio

@GothamRed said:

@Sci_Fi_Rulez: the phoenix isn't participating, since phoenix jean was never in the movie x-men, just the brotherhood

This

#46 Posted by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh...Then i guess Avenegrs wins.If Phoenix was in the X-men then Phoenix will most deff own and the X-men.

#47 Posted by NEEK_03 (1200 posts) - - Show Bio

@Iamlovewithin500: ok, but he is using the 1st class version of prof x, who isnt nearly as advanced.

#48 Edited by bluepride1234 (328 posts) - - Show Bio

@AweSam said:

Thor solos.

How?? That's not possible. I think Jean (pheniox from the movies) solos..

Edit: read no pheniox here.

Still believe xmen will win. Mag, prof. X, wol. nightcrawler and storm too much for them...

#49 Posted by GothamRed (2564 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sci_Fi_Rulez: she may not be able to, since hulk has a healing factor too and she couldn't disintegrate wolverine, so hulk might be able to take her out

#50 Posted by mrtrickster (2307 posts) - - Show Bio

with the way Hulk portrayed in avengers movie, He bash the sh#t out of the x-men team