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#1 Edited by xmenhulk (729 posts) - - Show Bio

TMF is The Mother F--ker

Morals off

No prep for Batman, 2 days prep for them.

Location - Moonlight Bunny Ranch

Who wins and why?

#2 Posted by Fastnoc (270 posts) - - Show Bio

Giving batman no prep is the equivalent to giving Marilyn Monroe no sex appeal.

#3 Edited by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

TMF is a nonfactor almost. Mother Russia kills Batman.

#4 Posted by JediXMan (30881 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman. He has better feats.

Beating SWAT teams > Beating normal cops.

Beating Ra's al Ghul and Bane > Beating, then losing to, Hit-Girl

Not to mention fighting ninjas, experienced mercenaries, real criminal organizations, etc.

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#5 Edited by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: mother Russia threw a propane tank threw a windshield. Mother Russia has a big sword. Talia's little sword stabbed batman quite easily. Mother Russia kicked the crap out of Hit-Girl, who could beat Batman.

#6 Posted by JediXMan (30881 posts) - - Show Bio

Mother Russia kicked the crap out of Hit-Girl, who could beat Batman.

... yeah... no.

That kinda makes your entire stance lose all credibility.

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#7 Posted by dondave (38408 posts) - - Show Bio

TMF is useless here

#8 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: I'll give videos and stuff from the respect thread I made if you want?

#9 Edited by JediXMan (30881 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: mother Russia threw a propane tank threw a windshield. Mother Russia has a big sword. Talia's little sword stabbed batman quite easily.

You mean the thing that Batman's gauntlets are specifically made to disarm and break?

A dagger is different than a sword. Anyone who understands weapons knows that. Daggers can fit through crevices that a sword cannot. Also, he did not see the attack coming. You're really going to use Talia as a combat feat? Also, Mother Russia's sword was a slashing / cutting weapon, not a stabbing weapon. Batman's armor can take slashes, not stabs - or at least not precise stabs. That's assuming that he doesn't just disarm her the second she swings.

We've seen him against sword users. He beat Ra's without much trouble, and he fought many of his ninjas.

Look, I know you like Hit-Girl. That has no place in an actual debate. Nobody in Kick-Ass can keep up with the Nolanverse.

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#10 Posted by JediXMan (30881 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: I'll give videos and stuff from the respect thread I made if you want?

Don't need them. I've seen the movies and read the comics - you're not going to show me anything that will impress me.

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#11 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: Nobody in Kick-Ass can keep up with the Nolanverse.

That's bull poop. Your saying Hit-Girl couldn't beat "cat" burglar. Or that kick-ass couldnt own "Robin"?

#12 Posted by JediXMan (30881 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: Nobody in Kick-Ass can keep up with the Nolanverse.

That's bull poop. Your saying Hit-Girl couldn't beat "cat" burglar. Or that kick-ass couldnt own "Robin"?

"Bull poop?"

Hit-Girl vs Catwoman is debatable. "Robin" held his own against Bane's thugs. Yes, he would beat Kick-Ass.

I like how you aren't even refuting what I said about Batman... or that you are going off topic.

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#13 Edited by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: Hit-Girl is a superfast shot, here she shoots 3 guys before they react, and sneaks a gun to a dudes face with out him noticing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gszJCfbYY4I

In this video it shows Hit-Girl dodge bullets point blank, make people shoot themselves, and own a crapload of people with insane speed and accuracy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsBKyduk3RE

Hit-girl is more durable, faster, heavily more armed. And batman will hold back against a little girl. Hit-Girl wins. And Mother Russia was kidding around Hit-Girl.

In this fight shes been shot twice, her dad just died, and shes tired from the hallway fight but she still fights pretty decent against a very skilled "Real World" opponent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va6oQ_2-jh8

0:39 hows her accuracy with throwing knives, 1:25 She survives a point blank explosion and is thrown several feet into a big statue.,1:59 she kills a guy with his own finger,her jumping on to a van, dodgeing bullets point blank, kicks a guy hard enough to send him flying, and flips over to punch a guy in the face: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UMbwxbgv8U&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww

#14 Edited by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: off topic yes I know. But Robin only feats were like shooting two people. Kick ass has durability feats and fighting skills. I'll see later if I can put a decent argument up for mother Russia. I'm just on a phone at the moment.

#15 Edited by JediXMan (30881 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman:

Okay. Now let's see what happens when she fights somebody with the least bit of actual skill.

Oh, yeah. She gets owned.

Now, Batman against the man who trained him, and with more skill than the guy Hit-Girl lost to:

Moving on:

Batman vs 4 ninja soldiers, again - with swords

Batman takes out an entire SWAT squad while fighting Joker's men and protecting the hostages:

The only reason that the Joker gains an upper hand is because Batman was blinded.

Now, Batman vs Bane, round 2. Again, Batman is fighting somebody faster and stronger than anyone in Kick-Ass. Don't think he's strong? Ask the pillar at 2:25. Also, don't think Batman is durable? He's the guy who was taking those punches.

Speed and combat feats: easily takes out security guards, who have guns:

Yeah. Batman wins here; just the way it is.

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#16 Posted by eternalnature (364 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins

#17 Posted by godzilla44 (3446 posts) - - Show Bio

the bats takes this 8/10

#18 Posted by giantsfan576 (1095 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump...Batman STOMPS I don't need to convince you though. Check JediXMan's post. No way can mother Russia or Hit Girl compete with feats like that. Absolute mismatch.

#19 Edited by giantsfan576 (1095 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: Really hope you're joking. You're out of your mind if you think the team wins...or if Hit Girl can beat Batman. Nolan Batman even. She can't. Look at her vs frank dimico. Get your facts straight.

#20 Posted by TifaLockhart (14078 posts) - - Show Bio

We talking movie versions or comic versions here?

#21 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll come up with a debate. But I'll try and find videos from kick-ass 2.

#22 Posted by The_Titan_Lord (6750 posts) - - Show Bio

lol..Team should win.

#23 Posted by TifaLockhart (14078 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio
#25 Posted by TifaLockhart (14078 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: cool. Same here. Btw, how strong you gotta be to rip a car door off?

#26 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio
#27 Posted by giantsfan576 (1095 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: OMG! Breaking a windshield! Much more impressive than any of Batman's feats. (NOT!) Get real. Batman absolute curbstomp. Leave your biases out of this.

#28 Edited by TifaLockhart (14078 posts) - - Show Bio

Iirc, Byrne got inspired to tone down Superman's powerlevel when he saw moviegoers' reaction to him tearing off a car door.

#29 Posted by thanosii (1305 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: @giantsfan576: have you seen kick ass two? Mother Russia is more than a match for batman,him winning would be due to his equipment not fighting skill. Look at the clip above of batman and banes fight you will see that batman displayed a fighting style similar to boxing which is inferior to hit girl or mother Russia. Hit girl after " last resort " would be nothing more than a blur to batman but look at her fight on to of the truck or against Mother Russia..... Lets give respect where it's due

#30 Posted by Deranged Midget (17712 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosii: Mother Russia was absolutely massacred by a fifteen year old, five foot girl on adrenaline. Everyone Mother Russia fought were completely taken by surprise or featless police officers. Batman's feats largely outweigh anything she's done.

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#31 Posted by hulkbuster94 (634 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins as i despise mother russia for killing the colonel and sophia so yeah and also i must say batman the dark knight triology had so many plot holes off topic soz

#32 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

Iirc, Byrne got inspired to tone down Superman's powerlevel when he saw moviegoers' reaction to him tearing off a car door.

if that's true it is pretty strange

#33 Edited by fiodestromus (1079 posts) - - Show Bio

Doesn't TMF use guns?

#34 Edited by 10400104 (1 posts) - - Show Bio

well the batman nolan sucks,you should refer to the comic batman or the arkham series batman.

First things first, in the arkham series batman, batman can beat mother russia due to his intelligence and martial arts.If batman punches mother russia,ofcourse mother russia wont be affected by batman's punches.Since batman knows,he will find a way by using his IQ (Intelligence quotient).Plus batman learned all 127 martial arts.Read comics to get more info about batman.

#35 Edited by ULTRAstarkiller (6248 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman easily.

#36 Edited by Pr0metheus (5260 posts) - - Show Bio

@10400104 said:

well the batman nolan sucks,you should refer to the comic batman or the arkham series batman.

First things first, in the arkham series batman, batman can beat mother russia due to his intelligence and martial arts.If batman punches mother russia,ofcourse mother russia wont be affected by batman's punches.Since batman knows,he will find a way by using his IQ (Intelligence quotient).Plus batman learned all 127 martial arts.Read comics to get more info about batman.

Comic or Arkham Verse Batman could solo the Kick-Ass Universe at the same time.

Anyway,That isn't what this battle is about. You don't go into a thread saying "Well, I don't like the version of the character you picked so heres feats about a different version"

#37 Posted by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

Team. And I stand by my argument that Hit-Girl beats Batman. I apparently I forgot to get around to it.

#38 Posted by Guardiandevil83 (5773 posts) - - Show Bio

It kinda looked like Mindy was busting Franks ass and that he won because he was stronger, not more skilled. Older, more seasoned Mindy from two might have crushed him.

#39 Posted by RogueShadow (11088 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman.

#40 Edited by silent_bomber (1826 posts) - - Show Bio

If its movie versions, Mother Russia.

Its very easy to compare, Mother Russia was much like Hardy Bane, except with better strength and blocking feats, and no glaring weak point on her face. Baleman only beat Bane due to the weak point, which isn't a factor here, so she wins.

and that's me being extremely generous to the Dark Knight characters.

#41 Edited by Frozen (14300 posts) - - Show Bio
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#42 Posted by reaverlation (16358 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman wins easily

#43 Posted by DigitalShooter9 (1786 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman: Nobody in Kick-Ass can keep up with the Nolanverse.

That's bull poop. Your saying Hit-Girl couldn't beat "cat" burglar. Or that kick-ass couldnt own "Robin"?

Or that kick-ass couldnt own "Robin"?


Kickass? Owns? ROBIN?

Aight, you just lost all of your credibility bud......

#44 Edited by DigitalShooter9 (1786 posts) - - Show Bio

@jedixman said:

@allstarsuperman:

Okay. Now let's see what happens when she fights somebody with the least bit of actual skill.

Oh, yeah. She gets owned.

Now, Batman against the man who trained him, and with more skill than the guy Hit-Girl lost to:

Moving on:

Batman vs 4 ninja soldiers, again - with swords

Batman takes out an entire SWAT squad while fighting Joker's men and protecting the hostages:

The only reason that the Joker gains an upper hand is because Batman was blinded.

Now, Batman vs Bane, round 2. Again, Batman is fighting somebody faster and stronger than anyone in Kick-Ass. Don't think he's strong? Ask the pillar at 2:25. Also, don't think Batman is durable? He's the guy who was taking those punches.

Speed and combat feats: easily takes out security guards, who have guns:

Yeah. Batman wins here; just the way it is.

This, should pretty much end the whole argument.....

#45 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18355 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman because of prep. He's got way too much of an arsenal (especially with morals off).

Random encounter would go to Russia, depending on if its TDK or TDKR Batman (prime vs washed up).

TMF is useless in every scenario

#46 Edited by AllStarSuperman (22182 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: @digitalshooter9: that's for another thread. stay on topic.

If its movie versions, Mother Russia.

Its very easy to compare, Mother Russia was much like Hardy Bane, except with better strength and blocking feats, and no glaring weak point on her face. Baleman only beat Bane due to the weak point, which isn't a factor here, so she wins.

and that's me being extremely generous to the Dark Knight characters.

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#47 Posted by Frozen (14300 posts) - - Show Bio

@allstarsuperman: You're telling me to stay on topic when you were the one that brought it up? Nice logic.

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#48 Edited by Deathstroke02 (3147 posts) - - Show Bio

MF goes down quick, which follows a battle between Bats and Mother Russia, which probably ends in a tie, or Mother Russia winning considering we're talking about movie versions.

If it were comic versions Batman would win, rather easily.

#49 Posted by Frozen (14300 posts) - - Show Bio

Batman because of prep. He's got way too much of an arsenal (especially with morals off).

Random encounter would go to Russia, depending on if its TDK or TDKR Batman (prime vs washed up).

TMF is useless in every scenario

TDKR Batman was only washed up pre-pit. However, he was still able to operate effectively and take on LOS members with ease (though they can be considered canon-fodder).

Post-prison Bruce was Bruce in his prime.

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#50 Edited by Fallschirmjager (18355 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@fallschirmjager said:

Batman because of prep. He's got way too much of an arsenal (especially with morals off).

Random encounter would go to Russia, depending on if its TDK or TDKR Batman (prime vs washed up).

TMF is useless in every scenario

TDKR Batman was only washed up pre-pit. However, he was still able to operate effectively and take on LOS members with ease (though they can be considered canon-fodder).

Post-prison Bruce was Bruce in his prime.

No he was not. The final fight between Bane and Batman was a joke. It was essentially a boxing match. (so was the first fight for the matter)

The cartilage in his joints were completely gone. That isn't something you can get back by working out in a prison.