There has always been something that has confused me in the Marvel universe. What are the rankings among the Cosmic entities? I know that at the top are TOAA followed by The Living Tribunal and at the bottom are probobly the celestials, the watchers and the elders of the Universe. But im not sure about the rest and i havent met anyone who does.
Most Powerful Entity
Extradimensional concepts/Living Tribunal > Conceptual Embodiments (Eternity/Infinity/Death/Obivion) > Cosmic beings (Stranger/Galactus/Abraxus)
- TOAA
- PR Beyonder
- HOTI
- PR Molecule Man
- Scathan
- Protege
- Living Tribunal
- Infinity Being
- FP Sise-Neg
- Alien Entity
- Edifice Rex
- Genis/Entropy
- HOM Scarlet Witch
- 616 MJJ
- Matrix merged Merlyn
- Jamie Braddock
- Havok-Nexus
- The Infinites
- Abraxas
- 616 Eternity/Infinity
- The Beyonders
There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.
This? That's because it was wrong.
Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
- The One-Above-All
- Pre-Retcon Beyonder
- Cytorrak (inside of realm)
- Protege
- Cyttorak (outside of realm)
- Anyone with the Heart of the Universe
- Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
- The Living Tribunal
- Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
- Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
- Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
- Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
- Eternity
- Infinity
- Death
- Oblivion
- The Phoenix Force
- The Alien Entity
- Infiniti IG Nemesis
- Genesis ( Sise-Neg)
- White Crown of the Phoenix
- Abysss
- Shuma Gorath (inside realm)
- The Sword in the Star
- The Legion or "Prime Evil"
- The Darkness
- Nth Man
- G-Force
- Mysterium
- Edifice Rex
- Korvac (Power of Six Abstracts from What if?)
Tier 4 : 2nd Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
Tier 5 : 3rd Class Multiversal Entity
- The Infinites
- Shuma Gorath (in between realms)
- The Beyonders
- Masters of the Matrix
- Hunger
Tier 6 : 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God
- The Entity (What If?)
- Master Order
- Lord Chaos
- Shuma-Gorath (outside realm)
- The Other
- The Dreaming God
- The Ankh
- The Enigma Force
- Uni-lord
- Abadon (Original when it was the embodiment of it's own universe)
- Lectra and Phaedra
- Zokk and Maftra the twin gods of Therea
- Anthropomorpho
- The Trion
- Galactus (fully powered)
- The Creator
- The Creator's Staff
- Job Burke
- Scrier (usurping the Creator's Staff)
Tier 7 : 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God
- Entropy
- Epiphany
- Enmity
- Empathy
- Expediency
- Eulogy
- Eon
- Epoch
- Valka
- Unbeing
- Origin
- Goblin Force
- Trion Juggernaut
- Those Who Sit Above in Shadow
- The Vishanti
- Nightmare
- Hell-Lords inside their own pocket dimension
- Mephisto
- Raggadoor
- Cinnibus
- Denak
- Chthon
- Tiboro
- Helleyes
- Llan
- Arioch
- Adversary
- Inanna
- The Darkforce Dimension
- The Dragon of the Moon
- Archenemy
- Maya
- Great One
- Atlez
- Atleza
- Zalkor
- The Fallen Stars (Adam K'ad-Mon, Cleito, Evenor, Mr.Termineus, Sorrow)
Tier 8 : High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts
- Galactus (highly fed)
- In-Betweener
- The Celestials
- The Absolutes
- The Makers
- Mirage
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Time Twisters
- Time Keepers
- Hunger (embodiment of Hunger)
- Uni-Mind
- Anomaly
- He Who Summons - Leader of the Watchers
- Kronos
- He Who Remains
- Captain Britain (with Excalibur and Amulet of Right)
- Merlyn (with Energy Matrix)
Tier 9 : Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers
- Cosmic Cube Beings
- Known Developed Cosmic Cube
- Beyonder(retconed)
- Kubik
- Shaper of Worlds
- Supremor (I)
- Kosmos
- Star Thief I (Defender character)
- Vaangard
- Molecule Man
- Sword of the Elder Gods
- Devourer of Souls (With power of the Elders)
- The M'Kraan Crystal
- Mikhail Rasputin
- Lifestone Tree
Tier 10 : Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level
- Galactus (average)
- The Dreamqueen
- The Watchers
- Abrogate
- Stranger
- Vortex
- Demogorge (Atum)
- Rune Thor
- 8th day Juggernaut
- Daydream
- Hawk God
- Xorr, the God Jewel
- Wise Man and the Three Wise Men
- Walker
- Deathurge
- Stardust (The Body)
Tier 11 : Elder Gods
- Odin (Fully powered)
- Elder Gods
- Chthon
- Demiurge
- Set
- Gaea
- Elder Gods of the Hyborian Age
- Crom
- Mitra
- Asura
- Seth
- Surtur
- Adam K'ad-Mon
- King Thor
- Hell-Lords outside their own realm
- Mephisto
- Raggadorr
- Cinnibus
- Satannish
- Tiboro
- Llan
- Dormammu
- The Adversary
- Inanna
- Dragon Of The Moon
Tier 12 : Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level
- Franklin Richards
- Proteus Piecemeal
- Kelly
- Donna
- Haven (Radha Dastoor) and her son combined
- Composite Ngh and Ahh
- Jonz Rickard
- Alfie O'Meagan
- Jamie Braddock
- Hutch
- Mysterious Fan Boy
- Yazdi Gem
Tier 13 : Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers
- Other Skyfather Pantheons ( Odin (varies), Zeus [Olympian], Osiris [Egyptian], Manitou [Anasazi], Anu [Annunaki], etc.)
- Council of Godheads members.
- Doctor Strange (Fullest)
- Hyperstorm
- Cleito
- Evenor
- The Silent Ones
- Master of the Sun
- Star Thief ( Adam Warlock Foe)
- Elders of the Universe
- Architect
- Astronomer
- Caregiver
- Champion
- Collector
- Contemplator
- Ego
- Explorer
- Father Time
- Gardner
- Grand Astrogator
- Grandmaster
- Judicator
- Obliterator
- Possessor
- Runner
- Trader
- Arcadia Deville
- The Futurist
- Mister M
- Alpha the Ultimate Mutant
- Cosmic Skyfathers
- Veeda Leebre
- Kronnit
- Zuras
- Mentor
- Ghaur psionic final form
- The One Above (Deonists worship)
- Skup Collins
- Scatterbrain
- Orphan
- Overshadow
- Soul-Eater (Spirit Mold)
Tier 14 : Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings
- Thanos
- Death Gods ( Pluto, Hela, Seth, Yama, etc)
- The Bottle Imp
- Supreme Intelligence
- Demonstaff
- Hunger (Fantastic Four foe)
- Shadow King
- Undying Ones
- Lord Tantalus
- Lord Khult
- Holly-Ann Ember
- Xemnu the Titan
- Bysshe
- Paloma
- Germain Royce
- Cloud
- The Dance
- Kaluu
- The Protector
- Touchstone
- Psi-Lord Franklin Richards
- Mantis
- The Walkers
- The Defiler
- Meggan and the Fairies
- Huntarr
- Mindstar
- Doctor Strange (varies)
- Modred the Mystic
- Nebulon
- Supernalia
- Varnae
- Kulan Gath
- Urthona
- Ultimus
- Thoth Amon
- Sleepwalkers
- Super-Adaptoids
- Audit
- Franklin 2099
- Moleculon
- Mangog
- Onslaught (Varies)
- Young Gods' Uni-Mind
- Overmind
- Armaziel, Tzadqiel, and other Cosmic Angels Asuras
Tier 15 : Top Tiers
- Emperor
- Val-Or
- Moondragon
- Sundragon
- Avatar
- Apocalypse
- X-Man
- Gladiator
- Hulk (in enraged state)
FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse.
PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.
@Prince CortSether said:
Most Powerful
- TOAA
- PR Beyonder
- HOTI
- PR Molecule Man
- Scathan
- Protege
- Living Tribunal
- Infinity Being
- FP Sise-Neg
- Alien Entity
- Edifice Rex
- HOM Scarlet Witch
- Genis/Entropy
- 616 MJJ
- Matrix merged Merlyn
- Jamie Braddock
- Havok-Nexus
- The Infinites
- Abraxas
- 616 Eternity/Infinity
- The Beyonders
I am little surprised to see HOM Scarlet Witch before entities like shuma-gorath and the hunger, because I always though reality eaters should be above reality warpersJ
Apart from that I suppose your list is good, but I still think the post rectonned molecular man should be above Jamie Braddock or perhaps even HOM Wanda (barring his terrible terrible showing against Sentry)
His list doesn't have Shuma or Hunger.@Prince CortSether said:
Most Powerful
- TOAA
- PR Beyonder
- HOTI
- PR Molecule Man
- Scathan
- Protege
- Living Tribunal
- Infinity Being
- FP Sise-Neg
- Alien Entity
- Edifice Rex
- HOM Scarlet Witch
- Genis/Entropy
- 616 MJJ
- Matrix merged Merlyn
- Jamie Braddock
- Havok-Nexus
- The Infinites
- Abraxas
- 616 Eternity/Infinity
- The Beyonders
I am little surprised to see HOM Scarlet Witch before entities like shuma-gorath and the hunger, because I always though reality eaters should be above reality warpersJ
Apart from that I suppose your list is good, but I still think the post rectonned molecular man should be above Jamie Braddock or perhaps even HOM Wanda (barring his terrible terrible showing against Sentry)
@TitsteR said:
@Tevnoba said:There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.
This? That's because it was wrong.Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
- The One-Above-All
- Pre-Retcon Beyonder
- Cytorrak (inside of realm)
- Protege
- Cyttorak (outside of realm)
- Anyone with the Heart of the Universe
- Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
- The Living Tribunal
- Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
- Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
- Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
- Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
- Eternity
- Infinity
- Death
- Oblivion
- The Phoenix Force
- The Alien Entity
- Infiniti IG Nemesis
- Genesis ( Sise-Neg)
Tier 4 : 2nd Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
- White Crown of the Phoenix
- Abysss
- Shuma Gorath (inside realm)
- The Sword in the Star
- The Legion or "Prime Evil"
- The Darkness
- Nth Man
- G-Force
- Mysterium
- Edifice Rex
- Korvac (Power of Six Abstracts from What if?)
Tier 5 : 3rd Class Multiversal Entity
- The Infinites
- Shuma Gorath (in between realms)
- The Beyonders
- Masters of the Matrix
- Hunger
Tier 6 : 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God
- The Entity (What If?)
- Master Order
- Lord Chaos
- Shuma-Gorath (outside realm)
- The Other
- The Dreaming God
- The Ankh
- The Enigma Force
- Uni-lord
- Abadon (Original when it was the embodiment of it's own universe)
- Lectra and Phaedra
- Zokk and Maftra the twin gods of Therea
- Anthropomorpho
- The Trion
- Galactus (fully powered)
- The Creator
- The Creator's Staff
- Job Burke
- Scrier (usurping the Creator's Staff)
Tier 7 : 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God
- Entropy
- Epiphany
- Enmity
- Empathy
- Expediency
- Eulogy
- Eon
- Epoch
- Valka
- Unbeing
- Origin
- Goblin Force
- Trion Juggernaut
- Those Who Sit Above in Shadow
- The Vishanti
- Nightmare
- Hell-Lords inside their own pocket dimension
- Mephisto
- Raggadoor
- Cinnibus
- Denak
- Chthon
- Tiboro
- Helleyes
- Llan
- Arioch
- Adversary
- Inanna
- The Darkforce Dimension
- The Dragon of the Moon
- Archenemy
- Maya
- Great One
- Atlez
- Atleza
- Zalkor
- The Fallen Stars(Adam K'ad-Mon, Cleito, Evenor, Mr.Termineus, Sorrow)
Tier 8 : High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts
- Galactus (highly fed)
- In-Betweener
- The Celestials
- The Absolutes
- The Makers
- Mirage
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Time Twisters
- Time Keepers
- Hunger (embodiment of Hunger)
- Uni-Mind
- Anomaly
- He Who Summons - Leader of the Watchers
- Kronos
- He Who Remains
- Captain Britain (with Excalibur and Amulet of Right)
- Merlyn (with Energy Matrix)
Tier 9 : Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers
- Cosmic Cube Beings
- Known Developed Cosmic Cube
- Beyonder(retconed)
- Kubik
- Shaper of Worlds
- Supremor (I)
- Kosmos
- Star Thief I (Defender character)
- Vaangard
- Molecule Man
- Sword of the Elder Gods
- Devourer of Souls (With power of the Elders)
- The M'Kraan Crystal
- Mikhail Rasputin
- Lifestone Tree
Tier 10 : Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level
- Galactus (average)
- The Dreamqueen
- The Watchers
- Abrogate
- Stranger
- Vortex
- Demogorge (Atum)
- Rune Thor
- 8th day Juggernaut
- Daydream
- Hawk God
- Xorr, the God Jewel
- Wise Man and the Three Wise Men
- Walker
- Deathurge
- Stardust (The Body)
Tier 11 : Elder Gods
- Odin (Fully powered)
- Elder Gods
- Chthon
- Demiurge
- Set
- Gaea
- Elder Gods of the Hyborian Age
- Crom
- Mitra
- Asura
- Seth
- Surtur
- Adam K'ad-Mon
- King Thor
- Hell-Lords outside their own realm
- Mephisto
- Raggadorr
- Cinnibus
- Satannish
- Tiboro
- Llan
- Dormammu
- The Adversary
- Inanna
- Dragon Of The Moon
Tier 12 : Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level
- Franklin Richards
- Proteus Piecemeal
- Kelly
- Donna
- Haven (Radha Dastoor) and her son combined
- Composite Ngh and Ahh
- Jonz Rickard
- Alfie O'Meagan
- Jamie Braddock
- Hutch
- Mysterious Fan Boy
- Yazdi Gem
Tier 13 : Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers
- Other Skyfather Pantheons ( Odin (varies), Zeus [Olympian], Osiris [Egyptian], Manitou [Anasazi], Anu [Annunaki], etc.)
- Council of Godheads members.
- Doctor Strange (Fullest)
- Hyperstorm
- Cleito
- Evenor
- The Silent Ones
- Master of the Sun
- Star Thief ( Adam Warlock Foe)
- Elders of the Universe
- Architect
- Astronomer
- Caregiver
- Champion
- Collector
- Contemplator
- Ego
- Explorer
- Father Time
- Gardner
- Grand Astrogator
- Grandmaster
- Judicator
- Obliterator
- Possessor
- Runner
- Trader
- Arcadia Deville
- The Futurist
- Mister M
- Alpha the Ultimate Mutant
- Cosmic Skyfathers
- Veeda Leebre
- Kronnit
- Zuras
- Mentor
- Ghaur psionic final form
- The One Above (Deonists worship)
- Skup Collins
- Scatterbrain
- Orphan
- Overshadow
- Soul-Eater (Spirit Mold)
Tier 14 : Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings
- Thanos
- Death Gods ( Pluto, Hela, Seth, Yama, etc)
- The Bottle Imp
- Supreme Intelligence
- Demonstaff
- Hunger (Fantastic Four foe)
- Shadow King
- Undying Ones
- Lord Tantalus
- Lord Khult
- Holly-Ann Ember
- Xemnu the Titan
- Bysshe
- Paloma
- Germain Royce
- Cloud
- The Dance
- Kaluu
- The Protector
- Touchstone
- Psi-Lord Franklin Richards
- Mantis
- The Walkers
- The Defiler
- Meggan and the Fairies
- Huntarr
- Mindstar
- Doctor Strange (varies)
- Modred the Mystic
- Nebulon
- Supernalia
- Varnae
- Kulan Gath
- Urthona
- Ultimus
- Thoth Amon
- Sleepwalkers
- Super-Adaptoids
- Audit
- Franklin 2099
- Moleculon
- Mangog
- Onslaught (Varies)
- Young Gods' Uni-Mind
- Overmind
- Armaziel, Tzadqiel, and other Cosmic Angels Asuras
Tier 15 : Top Tiers
- Emperor
- Val-Or
- Moondragon
- Sundragon
- Avatar
- Apocalypse
- X-Man
- Gladiator
- Hulk (in enraged state)
wtf?cyttorak above LT and PR Molecule man?
1) Kenshiroo
2) Lance Bastro
One of them likely made the edit a while ago. I'm betting it was Kenshiroo.
@Prince CortSether said:
@baron2011: Really only 2 on the site who actually believe Cyttorak is that high: 1) Kenshiroo 2) Lance Bastro One of them likely made the edit a while ago. I'm betting it was Kenshiroo.
i see
@TitsteR said:
@Tevnoba said:There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.
This? That's because it was wrong.Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
- The One-Above-All
- Pre-Retcon Beyonder
- Cytorrak (inside of realm)
- Protege
- Cyttorak (outside of realm)
- Anyone with the Heart of the Universe
- Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
- The Living Tribunal
- Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
- Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
- Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
- Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
- Eternity
- Infinity
- Death
- Oblivion
- The Phoenix Force
- The Alien Entity
- Infiniti IG Nemesis
- Genesis ( Sise-Neg)
Tier 4 : 2nd Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
- White Crown of the Phoenix
- Abysss
- Shuma Gorath (inside realm)
- The Sword in the Star
- The Legion or "Prime Evil"
- The Darkness
- Nth Man
- G-Force
- Mysterium
- Edifice Rex
- Korvac (Power of Six Abstracts from What if?)
Tier 5 : 3rd Class Multiversal Entity
- The Infinites
- Shuma Gorath (in between realms)
- The Beyonders
- Masters of the Matrix
- Hunger
Tier 6 : 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God
- The Entity (What If?)
- Master Order
- Lord Chaos
- Shuma-Gorath (outside realm)
- The Other
- The Dreaming God
- The Ankh
- The Enigma Force
- Uni-lord
- Abadon (Original when it was the embodiment of it's own universe)
- Lectra and Phaedra
- Zokk and Maftra the twin gods of Therea
- Anthropomorpho
- The Trion
- Galactus (fully powered)
- The Creator
- The Creator's Staff
- Job Burke
- Scrier (usurping the Creator's Staff)
Tier 7 : 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God
- Entropy
- Epiphany
- Enmity
- Empathy
- Expediency
- Eulogy
- Eon
- Epoch
- Valka
- Unbeing
- Origin
- Goblin Force
- Trion Juggernaut
- Those Who Sit Above in Shadow
- The Vishanti
- Nightmare
- Hell-Lords inside their own pocket dimension
- Mephisto
- Raggadoor
- Cinnibus
- Denak
- Chthon
- Tiboro
- Helleyes
- Llan
- Arioch
- Adversary
- Inanna
- The Darkforce Dimension
- The Dragon of the Moon
- Archenemy
- Maya
- Great One
- Atlez
- Atleza
- Zalkor
- The Fallen Stars(Adam K'ad-Mon, Cleito, Evenor, Mr.Termineus, Sorrow)
Tier 8 : High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts
- Galactus (highly fed)
- In-Betweener
- The Celestials
- The Absolutes
- The Makers
- Mirage
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Time Twisters
- Time Keepers
- Hunger (embodiment of Hunger)
- Uni-Mind
- Anomaly
- He Who Summons - Leader of the Watchers
- Kronos
- He Who Remains
- Captain Britain (with Excalibur and Amulet of Right)
- Merlyn (with Energy Matrix)
Tier 9 : Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers
- Cosmic Cube Beings
- Known Developed Cosmic Cube
- Beyonder(retconed)
- Kubik
- Shaper of Worlds
- Supremor (I)
- Kosmos
- Star Thief I (Defender character)
- Vaangard
- Molecule Man
- Sword of the Elder Gods
- Devourer of Souls (With power of the Elders)
- The M'Kraan Crystal
- Mikhail Rasputin
- Lifestone Tree
Tier 10 : Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level
- Galactus (average)
- The Dreamqueen
- The Watchers
- Abrogate
- Stranger
- Vortex
- Demogorge (Atum)
- Rune Thor
- 8th day Juggernaut
- Daydream
- Hawk God
- Xorr, the God Jewel
- Wise Man and the Three Wise Men
- Walker
- Deathurge
- Stardust (The Body)
Tier 11 : Elder Gods
- Odin (Fully powered)
- Elder Gods
- Chthon
- Demiurge
- Set
- Gaea
- Elder Gods of the Hyborian Age
- Crom
- Mitra
- Asura
- Seth
- Surtur
- Adam K'ad-Mon
- King Thor
- Hell-Lords outside their own realm
- Mephisto
- Raggadorr
- Cinnibus
- Satannish
- Tiboro
- Llan
- Dormammu
- The Adversary
- Inanna
- Dragon Of The Moon
Tier 12 : Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level
- Franklin Richards
- Proteus Piecemeal
- Kelly
- Donna
- Haven (Radha Dastoor) and her son combined
- Composite Ngh and Ahh
- Jonz Rickard
- Alfie O'Meagan
- Jamie Braddock
- Hutch
- Mysterious Fan Boy
- Yazdi Gem
Tier 13 : Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers
- Other Skyfather Pantheons ( Odin (varies), Zeus [Olympian], Osiris [Egyptian], Manitou [Anasazi], Anu [Annunaki], etc.)
- Council of Godheads members.
- Doctor Strange (Fullest)
- Hyperstorm
- Cleito
- Evenor
- The Silent Ones
- Master of the Sun
- Star Thief ( Adam Warlock Foe)
- Elders of the Universe
- Architect
- Astronomer
- Caregiver
- Champion
- Collector
- Contemplator
- Ego
- Explorer
- Father Time
- Gardner
- Grand Astrogator
- Grandmaster
- Judicator
- Obliterator
- Possessor
- Runner
- Trader
- Arcadia Deville
- The Futurist
- Mister M
- Alpha the Ultimate Mutant
- Cosmic Skyfathers
- Veeda Leebre
- Kronnit
- Zuras
- Mentor
- Ghaur psionic final form
- The One Above (Deonists worship)
- Skup Collins
- Scatterbrain
- Orphan
- Overshadow
- Soul-Eater (Spirit Mold)
Tier 14 : Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings
- Thanos
- Death Gods ( Pluto, Hela, Seth, Yama, etc)
- The Bottle Imp
- Supreme Intelligence
- Demonstaff
- Hunger (Fantastic Four foe)
- Shadow King
- Undying Ones
- Lord Tantalus
- Lord Khult
- Holly-Ann Ember
- Xemnu the Titan
- Bysshe
- Paloma
- Germain Royce
- Cloud
- The Dance
- Kaluu
- The Protector
- Touchstone
- Psi-Lord Franklin Richards
- Mantis
- The Walkers
- The Defiler
- Meggan and the Fairies
- Huntarr
- Mindstar
- Doctor Strange (varies)
- Modred the Mystic
- Nebulon
- Supernalia
- Varnae
- Kulan Gath
- Urthona
- Ultimus
- Thoth Amon
- Sleepwalkers
- Super-Adaptoids
- Audit
- Franklin 2099
- Moleculon
- Mangog
- Onslaught (Varies)
- Young Gods' Uni-Mind
- Overmind
- Armaziel, Tzadqiel, and other Cosmic Angels Asuras
Tier 15 : Top Tiers
- Emperor
- Val-Or
- Moondragon
- Sundragon
- Avatar
- Apocalypse
- X-Man
- Gladiator
- Hulk (in enraged state)
There are a number of incorrect placements on your list as well.
Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..
- The One Above All
- Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
- Heart of the Infinite
- Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
- Nemesis the Infinity Being
- Living Tribunal
- Phoenix Force
- Scathan the Approver
- Protege
- Scarlet Witch (House of M)
- Alien Entity
- Sise-Neg
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
- The Infinites
- Genis-Vell with Entropy
- Chaos King
- Shuma-Gorath
- Vishanti
- Elder Gods
- Galactus
- Abraxas
- Korvac
- Celestials
:P
I thought Galactus was on the same level as Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion and above the elder Gods?Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..
- The One Above All
- Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
- Heart of the Infinite
- Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
- Nemesis the Infinity Being
- Living Tribunal
- Phoenix Force
- Scathan the Approver
- Protege
- Scarlet Witch (House of M)
- Alien Entity
- Sise-Neg
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
- The Infinites
- Genis-Vell with Entropy
- Chaos King
- Shuma-Gorath
- Vishanti
- Elder Gods
- Galactus
- Abraxas
- Korvac
- Celestials
:P
@*Void* said:
I thought Galactus was on the same level as Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion and above the elder Gods?
Galactus' power has been up and down and is constantly being downplayed in more recent comics.. he is indeed the balancing force force concepts such as Eternity and Death but, power wise would still be a debate.. Galactus has been fought at equal levels by Agamotto, child of the Elder Goddess Oshtur, granted it happened inside Agamotto's realm.. the Vishanti blatantly insulted him before.. in the recent Chaos War, Galactus has been downplayed again and an Elder God was portrayed somewhat more powerful than him.. also, Eternity expressed fear towards the Elder God Chthon as the Elder God's manifestation was slowly killing him..
The only one that existed before all creation was TOAA. He created Nemesis, but he created her alone. She was the one who created the 1st existence. Genesis was the paradox of the 1st and recreated it with a hard reset or rather; he turned the power off and then turned it back on. Some characters where spared in a "saved data memory card" (extra-dimension) and that included Shuma-Gorath, Dr. Strange, & all of the extra-dimensional concepts (Principalities etc...) In all technical reasoning, Dr. Strange, Shuma etc... are older than Galactus, Phoenix & Eternity due to the Genesis paradox. However, in addition to the genuine recreation of Genesis, Time was no longer linear! Genesis created "turns of events through cause & effect" also known as Quantum realities that string together a multiverse.
This means, while TOAA was the one who created the 1st sentience and that sentience created existence, Genesis was the one who redefined existence into a multiverse, which puts him closer to the center of the totsie pop. Phoenix, Wanda, Legion, Entropy, IGV, Thanos with the IG, Anyone with the HOTU, Marquis of Death, Mad Jim Jaspers, anyone with the Ultimate Nullifier, Goddess Gaea, Chaos King, Abraxus, PR-Molecule Man are only soft/hard resetting their own respective universe within that entire multiverse. That mean that they can't really go as far back as Genesis had, therefore they couldn't have "existed before existence". The only beings that could where the beings during the 1st initial recreation. (Extra-dimensional beings are not tied with the multiverse: There are only ONE of each of them. 1 Vishanti, 1 Genesis, 1 Nemesis, 1 Cyttorak, 1 Raggaddorr, 1 Dormammu etc....) [In contrast to cosmic beings residing in the multiverse: There are multiple Galactuses, multiple Eternities etc....]
Dr. Strange on the other hand is another paradox. When Genesis allowed him to witness the recreation. He already existed before existence, and the only Dr. Strange that remembers this is..... THE REAL DR. STRANGE. All the other Dr. Stranges we see currently since the Genesis incident are copies of himself. He did this to protect himself from Dormammu and possible Shuma-Gorath too since they too existed while Genesis gave life to the multiverse. The real Dr. Strange is the most powerful. As the realities stretch further into the multiverse, each Dr. Strange gets weaker. IE: How current Strange is weaker than Infinity War Strange etc..
Basically what I meant above is that before Genesis (Sise-Neg)... TIme was LINEAR.... You can only go back and forth in time..... It just goes one way.... This linear time is 616.
After Genesis.... Time turned into NON-Linear......
For every choice an individual character makes..... A new universe is branched off of the main time-line.....
Data - "For every event that does not happen; actually DOES happen, in quantum realities......."
@TitsteR said:
@Tevnoba said:There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.
This? That's because it was wrong.Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond
- The One-Above-All
- Pre-Retcon Beyonder
- Cytorrak (inside of realm)
- Protege
- Cyttorak (outside of realm)
- Anyone with the Heart of the Universe
- Thanos with the Heart of the Universe
Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond
- The Living Tribunal
- Pre-Retcon Molecule Man
- Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet
- Nebula with the Infinity Gauntlet
- Magus with the Infinity Gauntlet
Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
- Eternity
- Infinity
- Death
- Oblivion
- The Phoenix Force
- The Alien Entity
- Infiniti IG Nemesis
- Genesis ( Sise-Neg)
Tier 4 : 2nd Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale
- White Crown of the Phoenix
- Abysss
- Shuma Gorath (inside realm)
- The Sword in the Star
- The Legion or "Prime Evil"
- The Darkness
- Nth Man
- G-Force
- Mysterium
- Edifice Rex
- Korvac (Power of Six Abstracts from What if?)
Tier 5 : 3rd Class Multiversal Entity
- The Infinites
- Shuma Gorath (in between realms)
- The Beyonders
- Masters of the Matrix
- Hunger
Tier 6 : 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God
- The Entity (What If?)
- Master Order
- Lord Chaos
- Shuma-Gorath (outside realm)
- The Other
- The Dreaming God
- The Ankh
- The Enigma Force
- Uni-lord
- Abadon (Original when it was the embodiment of it's own universe)
- Lectra and Phaedra
- Zokk and Maftra the twin gods of Therea
- Anthropomorpho
- The Trion
- Galactus (fully powered)
- The Creator
- The Creator's Staff
- Job Burke
- Scrier (usurping the Creator's Staff)
Tier 7 : 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God
- Entropy
- Epiphany
- Enmity
- Empathy
- Expediency
- Eulogy
- Eon
- Epoch
- Valka
- Unbeing
- Origin
- Goblin Force
- Trion Juggernaut
- Those Who Sit Above in Shadow
- The Vishanti
- Nightmare
- Hell-Lords inside their own pocket dimension
- Mephisto
- Raggadoor
- Cinnibus
- Denak
- Chthon
- Tiboro
- Helleyes
- Llan
- Arioch
- Adversary
- Inanna
- The Darkforce Dimension
- The Dragon of the Moon
- Archenemy
- Maya
- Great One
- Atlez
- Atleza
- Zalkor
- The Fallen Stars(Adam K'ad-Mon, Cleito, Evenor, Mr.Termineus, Sorrow)
Tier 8 : High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts
- Galactus (highly fed)
- In-Betweener
- The Celestials
- The Absolutes
- The Makers
- Mirage
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Time Twisters
- Time Keepers
- Hunger (embodiment of Hunger)
- Uni-Mind
- Anomaly
- He Who Summons - Leader of the Watchers
- Kronos
- He Who Remains
- Captain Britain (with Excalibur and Amulet of Right)
- Merlyn (with Energy Matrix)
Tier 9 : Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers
- Cosmic Cube Beings
- Known Developed Cosmic Cube
- Beyonder(retconed)
- Kubik
- Shaper of Worlds
- Supremor (I)
- Kosmos
- Star Thief I (Defender character)
- Vaangard
- Molecule Man
- Sword of the Elder Gods
- Devourer of Souls (With power of the Elders)
- The M'Kraan Crystal
- Mikhail Rasputin
- Lifestone Tree
Tier 10 : Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level
- Galactus (average)
- The Dreamqueen
- The Watchers
- Abrogate
- Stranger
- Vortex
- Demogorge (Atum)
- Rune Thor
- 8th day Juggernaut
- Daydream
- Hawk God
- Xorr, the God Jewel
- Wise Man and the Three Wise Men
- Walker
- Deathurge
- Stardust (The Body)
Tier 11 : Elder Gods
- Odin (Fully powered)
- Elder Gods
- Chthon
- Demiurge
- Set
- Gaea
- Elder Gods of the Hyborian Age
- Crom
- Mitra
- Asura
- Seth
- Surtur
- Adam K'ad-Mon
- King Thor
- Hell-Lords outside their own realm
- Mephisto
- Raggadorr
- Cinnibus
- Satannish
- Tiboro
- Llan
- Dormammu
- The Adversary
- Inanna
- Dragon Of The Moon
Tier 12 : Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level
- Franklin Richards
- Proteus Piecemeal
- Kelly
- Donna
- Haven (Radha Dastoor) and her son combined
- Composite Ngh and Ahh
- Jonz Rickard
- Alfie O'Meagan
- Jamie Braddock
- Hutch
- Mysterious Fan Boy
- Yazdi Gem
Tier 13 : Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers
- Other Skyfather Pantheons ( Odin (varies), Zeus [Olympian], Osiris [Egyptian], Manitou [Anasazi], Anu [Annunaki], etc.)
- Council of Godheads members.
- Doctor Strange (Fullest)
- Hyperstorm
- Cleito
- Evenor
- The Silent Ones
- Master of the Sun
- Star Thief ( Adam Warlock Foe)
- Elders of the Universe
- Architect
- Astronomer
- Caregiver
- Champion
- Collector
- Contemplator
- Ego
- Explorer
- Father Time
- Gardner
- Grand Astrogator
- Grandmaster
- Judicator
- Obliterator
- Possessor
- Runner
- Trader
- Arcadia Deville
- The Futurist
- Mister M
- Alpha the Ultimate Mutant
- Cosmic Skyfathers
- Veeda Leebre
- Kronnit
- Zuras
- Mentor
- Ghaur psionic final form
- The One Above (Deonists worship)
- Skup Collins
- Scatterbrain
- Orphan
- Overshadow
- Soul-Eater (Spirit Mold)
Tier 14 : Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings
- Thanos
- Death Gods ( Pluto, Hela, Seth, Yama, etc)
- The Bottle Imp
- Supreme Intelligence
- Demonstaff
- Hunger (Fantastic Four foe)
- Shadow King
- Undying Ones
- Lord Tantalus
- Lord Khult
- Holly-Ann Ember
- Xemnu the Titan
- Bysshe
- Paloma
- Germain Royce
- Cloud
- The Dance
- Kaluu
- The Protector
- Touchstone
- Psi-Lord Franklin Richards
- Mantis
- The Walkers
- The Defiler
- Meggan and the Fairies
- Huntarr
- Mindstar
- Doctor Strange (varies)
- Modred the Mystic
- Nebulon
- Supernalia
- Varnae
- Kulan Gath
- Urthona
- Ultimus
- Thoth Amon
- Sleepwalkers
- Super-Adaptoids
- Audit
- Franklin 2099
- Moleculon
- Mangog
- Onslaught (Varies)
- Young Gods' Uni-Mind
- Overmind
- Armaziel, Tzadqiel, and other Cosmic Angels Asuras
Tier 15 : Top Tiers
- Emperor
- Val-Or
- Moondragon
- Sundragon
- Avatar
- Apocalypse
- X-Man
- Gladiator
- Hulk (in enraged state)
Not bad but I would rate rune Thor much higher, where would you put Chaos King and chaos war Hercules?
@tron_bonne said:
@*Void*: @demifiend: @lord_oraculous016:
The only one that existed before all creation was TOAA. He created Nemesis, but he created her alone. She was the one who created the 1st existence. Genesis was the paradox of the 1st and recreated it with a hard reset or rather; he turned the power off and then turned it back on. Some characters where spared in a "saved data memory card" (extra-dimension) and that included Shuma-Gorath, Dr. Strange, & all of the extra-dimensional concepts (Principalities etc...) In all technical reasoning, Dr. Strange, Shuma etc... are older than Galactus, Phoenix & Eternity due to the Genesis paradox. However, in addition to the genuine recreation of Genesis, Time was no longer linear! Genesis created "turns of events through cause & effect" also known as Quantum realities that string together a multiverse.
This means, while TOAA was the one who created the 1st sentience and that sentience created existence, Genesis was the one who redefined existence into a multiverse, which puts him closer to the center of the totsie pop. Phoenix, Wanda, Legion, Entropy, IGV, Thanos with the IG, Anyone with the HOTU, Marquis of Death, Mad Jim Jaspers, anyone with the Ultimate Nullifier, Goddess Gaea, Chaos King, Abraxus, PR-Molecule Man are only soft/hard resetting their own respective universe within that entire multiverse. That mean that they can't really go as far back as Genesis had, therefore they couldn't have "existed before existence". The only beings that could where the beings during the 1st initial recreation. (Extra-dimensional beings are not tied with the multiverse: There are only ONE of each of them. 1 Vishanti, 1 Genesis, 1 Nemesis, 1 Cyttorak, 1 Raggaddorr, 1 Dormammu etc....) [In contrast to cosmic beings residing in the multiverse: There are multiple Galactuses, multiple Eternities etc....]
Dr. Strange on the other hand is another paradox. When Genesis allowed him to witness the recreation. He already existed before existence, and the only Dr. Strange that remembers this is..... THE REAL DR. STRANGE. All the other Dr. Stranges we see currently since the Genesis incident are copies of himself. He did this to protect himself from Dormammu and possible Shuma-Gorath too since they too existed while Genesis gave life to the multiverse. The real Dr. Strange is the most powerful. As the realities stretch further into the multiverse, each Dr. Strange gets weaker. IE: How current Strange is weaker than Infinity War Strange etc..
Basically what I meant above is that before Genesis (Sise-Neg)... TIme was LINEAR.... You can only go back and forth in time..... It just goes one way.... This linear time is 616.
After Genesis.... Time turned into NON-Linear......
For every choice an individual character makes..... A new universe is branched off of the main time-line.....Data - "For every event that does not happen; actually DOES happen, in quantum realities......."
You like to give Genesis (Sise-Neg) way too much credit.
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..
- The One Above All
- Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
- Heart of the Infinite
- Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
- Nemesis the Infinity Being
- Living Tribunal
- Phoenix Force
- Scathan the Approver
- Protege
- Scarlet Witch (House of M)
- Alien Entity
- Sise-Neg
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
- The Infinites
- Genis-Vell with Entropy
- Chaos King
- Shuma-Gorath
- Vishanti
- Elder Gods
- Galactus
- Abraxas
- Korvac
- Celestials
:P
This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.
Galactus is not above the Elder Gods, that much is correct, but Korvac and Abraxus above the Celestials is incorrect.@lord_oraculous016 said:
Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..
- The One Above All
- Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
- Heart of the Infinite
- Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
- Nemesis the Infinity Being
- Living Tribunal
- Phoenix Force
- Scathan the Approver
- Protege
- Scarlet Witch (House of M)
- Alien Entity
- Sise-Neg
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
- The Infinites
- Genis-Vell with Entropy
- Chaos King
- Shuma-Gorath
- Vishanti
- Elder Gods
- Galactus
- Abraxas
- Korvac
- Celestials
:P
This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.
Heart of the Universe and PR-Molecule Man above Nemesis is incorrect.
Phoenix Force above Protege is incorrect.
Scarlet Witch being above Sise-Neg and the Elder Gods (contradiction much?) is incorrect.
Mad Jim Jaspers above the Cosmic Compass is incorrect. (He died - how can he be above death? he could not warp a void - how can he be above Oblivion?)
Eternity above the Infinite is incorrect.
Chaos King above extradimensional residents is incorrect (he is banished inside a realm of the extradimension so how is he above the extradimension? -contradiction)
@tron_bonne said:
@Fire Star said:Galactus is not above the Elder Gods, that much is correct, but Korvac and Abraxus above the Celestials is incorrect. Heart of the Universe and PR-Molecule Man above Nemesis is incorrect. Phoenix Force above Protege is incorrect. Scarlet Witch being above Sise-Neg and the Elder Gods (contradiction much?) is incorrect. Mad Jim Jaspers above the Cosmic Compass is incorrect. (He died - how can he be above death? he could not warp a void - how can he be above Oblivion?) Eternity above the Infinite is incorrect. Chaos King above extradimensional residents is incorrect (he is banished inside a realm of the extradimension so how is he above the extradimension? -contradiction)@lord_oraculous016 said:
Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..
- The One Above All
- Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
- Heart of the Infinite
- Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
- Nemesis the Infinity Being
- Living Tribunal
- Phoenix Force
- Scathan the Approver
- Protege
- Scarlet Witch (House of M)
- Alien Entity
- Sise-Neg
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
- The Infinites
- Genis-Vell with Entropy
- Chaos King
- Shuma-Gorath
- Vishanti
- Elder Gods
- Galactus
- Abraxas
- Korvac
- Celestials
:P
This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.
While I think the points can be argued, I'm not sure they are as easily outright incorrect.
@Fire Star said:
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..
- The One Above All
- Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
- Heart of the Infinite
- Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
- Nemesis the Infinity Being
- Living Tribunal
- Phoenix Force
- Scathan the Approver
- Protege
- Scarlet Witch (House of M)
- Alien Entity
- Sise-Neg
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
- The Infinites
- Genis-Vell with Entropy
- Chaos King
- Shuma-Gorath
- Vishanti
- Elder Gods
- Galactus
- Abraxas
- Korvac
- Celestials
:P
This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.
LOL! , delusional XDD!!
Well, there will be debate about it once Oraculous logs on. He must live around the world or something because he posts just about around the time when I fall asleep.@tron_bonne said:
@Fire Star said:Galactus is not above the Elder Gods, that much is correct, but Korvac and Abraxus above the Celestials is incorrect. Heart of the Universe and PR-Molecule Man above Nemesis is incorrect. Phoenix Force above Protege is incorrect. Scarlet Witch being above Sise-Neg and the Elder Gods (contradiction much?) is incorrect. Mad Jim Jaspers above the Cosmic Compass is incorrect. (He died - how can he be above death? he could not warp a void - how can he be above Oblivion?) Eternity above the Infinite is incorrect. Chaos King above extradimensional residents is incorrect (he is banished inside a realm of the extradimension so how is he above the extradimension? -contradiction)@lord_oraculous016 said:
Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..
- The One Above All
- Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
- Heart of the Infinite
- Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
- Nemesis the Infinity Being
- Living Tribunal
- Phoenix Force
- Scathan the Approver
- Protege
- Scarlet Witch (House of M)
- Alien Entity
- Sise-Neg
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
- The Infinites
- Genis-Vell with Entropy
- Chaos King
- Shuma-Gorath
- Vishanti
- Elder Gods
- Galactus
- Abraxas
- Korvac
- Celestials
:P
This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.
While I think the points can be argued, I'm not sure they are as easily outright incorrect.
@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.
Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.
@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.
Big Bang I guess, not sure though
712,12,818 are all from big bang. As far as I know, Ultimate Marvel is crated by Phoenix God.
Big Bang from Genesis. 616 is basically "Stan Time", Marvel's been around since 1938 making random stories and character we have never even heard of. When Stan created the Fantastic Four, Avengers, Spiderman, Hulk, Thor, X-Men, Ironman, etc. He created a mainstream that popularized Marvel how we recognize it today. That's 616. It's a linear universe made up of heroes and villains. If it wasn't for Stan slowly reshaping Marvel, Marvel could have continued publishing comics like this: [scans below] and there would be no such thing as the Fantastic Four, X-Men, Thor, Avengers, and Galactus, Living Tribunal and the abstracts.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:
Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:
616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.
Big Bang
Stan Created the Living Tribunal, and he created Dr. Strange to be the protector of the universe. In 1974, Sise-Neg (Genesis) recreated the Marvel universe (616) so that comics like the scans above did not ever exist. Therefore, the Universe 616 was started during "Strange Tales" 110 issues before Dr. Strange's 1st appearance. 616 became the only universe; the Universe Dr. Strange was sworn to protect for 15 years before Merlyn & Captain Britain were even created. In fact, Merlyn was created 2 years after 616 initial recreation by Sise-Neg. Meaning, if it wasn't for Sise-Neg; Merlyn would not have been created and a multiverse would have never existed.
The Multiverse
" Each universe of the Multiverse in Marvel also appears to be defended by a Sorcerer Supreme at nearly all times, appointed the mystic trinity of Vishanti to defend the world against threats primarily magical in nature from within and beyond and bearing the Eye of Agamotto. "
@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.
Big Bang I guess, not sure though
712,12,818 are all from big bang. As far as I know, Ultimate Marvel is crated by Phoenix God.
Universe:
All come from 616.
@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:Big Bang from Genesis. 616 is basically "Stan Time", Marvel's been around since 1938 making random stories and character we have never even heard of. When Stan created the Fantastic Four, Avengers, Spiderman, Hulk, Thor, X-Men, Ironman, etc. He created a mainstream that popularized Marvel how we recognize it today. That's 616. It's a linear universe made up of heroes and villains. If it wasn't for Stan slowly reshaping Marvel, Marvel could have continued publishing comics like this: [scans below] and there would be no such thing as the Fantastic Four, X-Men, Thor, Avengers, and Galactus, Living Tribunal and the abstracts.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:
Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:
616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.
Big Bang
Stan Created the Living Tribunal, and he created Dr. Strange to be the protector of the universe. In 1974, Sise-Neg (Genesis) recreated the Marvel universe (616) so that comics like the scans above did not ever exist. Therefore, the Universe 616 was started during "Strange Tales" 110 issues before Dr. Strange's 1st appearance. 616 became the only universe; the Universe Dr. Strange was sworn to protect for 15 years before Merlyn & Captain Britain were even created. In fact, Merlyn was created 2 years after 616 initial recreation by Sise-Neg. Meaning, if it wasn't for Sise-Neg; Merlyn would not have been created and a multiverse would have never existed.
The Multiverse" Each universe of the Multiverse in Marvel also appears to be defended by a Sorcerer Supreme at nearly all times, appointed the mystic trinity of Vishanti to defend the world against threats primarily magical in nature from within and beyond and bearing the Eye of Agamotto. "
I see.
Did Stan Lee mention anything about all universe in the multiverse came from 616? Any official statements about everything came from 616?
@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.
Big Bang I guess, not sure though
712,12,818 are all from big bang. As far as I know, Ultimate Marvel is crated by Phoenix God.
Universe:161027110127295160261568969181197610131033103610431298172018152149959192009112910597969916999710724210502900732098400814100142777581636489470105902149483197400TRN01697102352300498193TRN036100056799810789191105280920700974911197964610920005070196169205117TRN003TRN0049828311etc. etc...
All come from 616.
I am still waiting for your response. I was asking you about any proof that Marvel nor Stan Lee mentioned everything came from 616.
Like what I said, from what I read, everything came from bigbang, not 616. Logically, everything came out at the same time.
How about Titan Tails and Mammoth Mogul? Titan Tails was able to reverse the damage mammoth mogul did. Mammoth Mogul nearly destroyed the Multiverse.
Yup, and that only Goku without using Super Saiyan mode.when we are judging on most powerful entity than I imagine a something like this for power
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..
- The One Above All
- Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
- Heart of the Infinite
- Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
- Nemesis the Infinity Being
- Living Tribunal
- Phoenix Force
- Scathan the Approver
- Protege
- Scarlet Witch (House of M)
- Alien Entity
- Sise-Neg
- Mad Jim Jaspers
- Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
- The Infinites
- Genis-Vell with Entropy
- Chaos King
- Shuma-Gorath
- Vishanti
- Elder Gods
- Galactus
- Abraxas
- Korvac
- Celestials
:P
I agree
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@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.@MagneticShockwave said:
@rmsb1984 said:616 sprouted the multiverse.@Prince CortSether said:
@rmsb1984 said:FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA
Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I
As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.
Big Bang I guess, not sure though
712,12,818 are all from big bang. As far as I know, Ultimate Marvel is crated by Phoenix God.
Universe:161027110127295160261568969181197610131033103610431298172018152149959192009112910597969916999710724210502900732098400814100142777581636489470105902149483197400TRN01697102352300498193TRN036100056799810789191105280920700974911197964610920005070196169205117TRN003TRN0049828311etc. etc...
All come from 616.I am still waiting for your response. I was asking you about any proof that Marvel nor Stan Lee mentioned everything came from 616.
Like what I said, from what I read, everything came from bigbang, not 616. Logically, everything came out at the same time.
No they didn't. You need to understand Cause and Effect before you can understand what I'm taking about. The Big Bang was an cause of an effect. All of those universe I mentioned above DID NOT all come out at once. They were spawned from the original universe through cause and Effect.
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