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#1 Posted by *Void* (874 posts) - - Show Bio

There has always been something that has confused me in the Marvel universe. What are the rankings among the Cosmic entities? I know that at the top are TOAA followed by The Living Tribunal and at the bottom are probobly the celestials, the watchers and the elders of the Universe. But im not sure about the rest and i havent met anyone who does.

#2 Posted by BigCimmerian (8071 posts) - - Show Bio

Bellow The Living Tribunal should be abstracts Death, Eternity and Galactus.

#3 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio

Extradimensional concepts/Living Tribunal > Conceptual Embodiments (Eternity/Infinity/Death/Obivion) > Cosmic beings (Stranger/Galactus/Abraxus)

#4 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.

#5 Edited by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
Most Powerful
  1. TOAA
  2. PR Beyonder
  3. HOTI
  4. PR Molecule Man
  5. Scathan
  6. Protege
  7. Living Tribunal
  8. Infinity Being
  9. FP Sise-Neg
  10. Alien Entity
  11. Edifice Rex
  12. Genis/Entropy
  13. HOM Scarlet Witch
  14. 616 MJJ
  15. Matrix merged Merlyn
  16. Jamie Braddock
  17. Havok-Nexus
  18. The Infinites
  19. Abraxas
  20. 616 Eternity/Infinity
  21. The Beyonders
#6 Posted by TitsteR (96 posts) - - Show Bio
@Tevnoba said:

There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.

 
 
This? That's because it was wrong.

Tier 1 :  1st Class Beyond


Tier 2 :  2nd Class Beyond


 

Tier 3 :  1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale 



Tier 5 :  3rd Class Multiversal Entity 


Tier 6 :  1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God 


Tier 7 :  2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God


Tier 8 :  High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts 


Tier 9 :  Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers 


Tier 10 :  Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level 


Tier 11 :  Elder Gods 

 

Tier 12 :  Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level 


Tier 13 :  Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers 


Tier 14 :  Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings 


Tier 15 :  Top Tiers 

#7 Posted by rmsb1984 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

#8 Posted by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang.
 
That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. 
 
PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.
#9 Posted by demifiend (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

jobberlactus is far to be in top 10 most powerfull entities

#10 Posted by Killemall (18536 posts) - - Show Bio

@Prince CortSether said:

Most Powerful
  1. TOAA
  2. PR Beyonder
  3. HOTI
  4. PR Molecule Man
  5. Scathan
  6. Protege
  7. Living Tribunal
  8. Infinity Being
  9. FP Sise-Neg
  10. Alien Entity
  11. Edifice Rex
  12. HOM Scarlet Witch
  13. Genis/Entropy
  14. 616 MJJ
  15. Matrix merged Merlyn
  16. Jamie Braddock
  17. Havok-Nexus
  18. The Infinites
  19. Abraxas
  20. 616 Eternity/Infinity
  21. The Beyonders

I am little surprised to see HOM Scarlet Witch before entities like shuma-gorath and the hunger, because I always though reality eaters should be above reality warpers J

Apart from that I suppose your list is good, but I still think the post rectonned molecular man should be above Jamie Braddock or perhaps even HOM Wanda (barring his terrible terrible showing against Sentry)

#11 Posted by MagneticTempest (207 posts) - - Show Bio
@Killemall said:

@Prince CortSether said:

Most Powerful
  1. TOAA
  2. PR Beyonder
  3. HOTI
  4. PR Molecule Man
  5. Scathan
  6. Protege
  7. Living Tribunal
  8. Infinity Being
  9. FP Sise-Neg
  10. Alien Entity
  11. Edifice Rex
  12. HOM Scarlet Witch
  13. Genis/Entropy
  14. 616 MJJ
  15. Matrix merged Merlyn
  16. Jamie Braddock
  17. Havok-Nexus
  18. The Infinites
  19. Abraxas
  20. 616 Eternity/Infinity
  21. The Beyonders

I am little surprised to see HOM Scarlet Witch before entities like shuma-gorath and the hunger, because I always though reality eaters should be above reality warpers J

Apart from that I suppose your list is good, but I still think the post rectonned molecular man should be above Jamie Braddock or perhaps even HOM Wanda (barring his terrible terrible showing against Sentry)

His list doesn't have Shuma or Hunger.
#12 Posted by baron2011 (1151 posts) - - Show Bio

@TitsteR said:

@Tevnoba said:

There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.



This? That's because it was wrong.

Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond


Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond


Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale



Tier 5 : 3rd Class Multiversal Entity


Tier 6 : 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God


Tier 7 : 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God


Tier 8 : High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts


Tier 9 : Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers


Tier 10 : Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level

Tier 11 : Elder Gods

Tier 12 : Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level


Tier 13 : Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers


Tier 14 : Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings


Tier 15 : Top Tiers

wtf?cyttorak above LT and PR Molecule man?

#13 Posted by Prince CortSether (2301 posts) - - Show Bio
@baron2011: Really only 2 on the site who actually believe Cyttorak is that high: 
 
1) Kenshiroo 
2) Lance Bastro 
 
One of them likely made the edit a while ago. I'm betting it was Kenshiroo.
#14 Posted by Saren (25616 posts) - - Show Bio
@Prince CortSether said:
@baron2011: Really only 2 on the site who actually believe Cyttorak is that high:  1) Kenshiroo 2) Lance Bastro  One of them likely made the edit a while ago. I'm betting it was Kenshiroo.
tron_bonne as well.
Moderator
#15 Posted by baron2011 (1151 posts) - - Show Bio

@Prince CortSether said:

@baron2011: Really only 2 on the site who actually believe Cyttorak is that high: 1) Kenshiroo 2) Lance Bastro One of them likely made the edit a while ago. I'm betting it was Kenshiroo.

i see

#16 Posted by All_StarSupes (74 posts) - - Show Bio

MJJ is a bit low on the list, and where's the Fury?

#17 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

@TitsteR said:

@Tevnoba said:

There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.



This? That's because it was wrong.

Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond


Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond


Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale



Tier 5 : 3rd Class Multiversal Entity


Tier 6 : 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God


Tier 7 : 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God


Tier 8 : High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts


Tier 9 : Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers


Tier 10 : Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level

Tier 11 : Elder Gods

Tier 12 : Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level


Tier 13 : Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers


Tier 14 : Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings


Tier 15 : Top Tiers

There are a number of incorrect placements on your list as well.

#18 Posted by Phaedrusgr (1672 posts) - - Show Bio

@TitsteR: Become my master...;)

#19 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..

  • The One Above All
  • Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
  • Heart of the Infinite
  • Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
  • Nemesis the Infinity Being
  • Living Tribunal
  • Phoenix Force
  • Scathan the Approver
  • Protege
  • Scarlet Witch (House of M)
  • Alien Entity
  • Sise-Neg
  • Mad Jim Jaspers
  • Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
  • The Infinites
  • Genis-Vell with Entropy
  • Chaos King
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Vishanti
  • Elder Gods
  • Galactus
  • Abraxas
  • Korvac
  • Celestials

:P

#20 Edited by demifiend (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

ash ketchup with a master ball. 
 
nexttttttttttttttt

#21 Posted by *Void* (874 posts) - - Show Bio
@lord_oraculous016 said:

Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..

  • The One Above All
  • Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
  • Heart of the Infinite
  • Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
  • Nemesis the Infinity Being
  • Living Tribunal
  • Phoenix Force
  • Scathan the Approver
  • Protege
  • Scarlet Witch (House of M)
  • Alien Entity
  • Sise-Neg
  • Mad Jim Jaspers
  • Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
  • The Infinites
  • Genis-Vell with Entropy
  • Chaos King
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Vishanti
  • Elder Gods
  • Galactus
  • Abraxas
  • Korvac
  • Celestials

:P

I thought Galactus was on the same level as Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion and above the elder Gods?
#22 Posted by progenitor (7534 posts) - - Show Bio

#23 Edited by demifiend (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

@*Void*:

nahhh jobberlactus is a wimp, everytime marvel wanna make a new character look good, jobberlactus appears and is defeat like the wimp he is.

#24 Posted by lord_oraculous016 (9282 posts) - - Show Bio

@*Void* said:

I thought Galactus was on the same level as Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion and above the elder Gods?

Galactus' power has been up and down and is constantly being downplayed in more recent comics.. he is indeed the balancing force force concepts such as Eternity and Death but, power wise would still be a debate.. Galactus has been fought at equal levels by Agamotto, child of the Elder Goddess Oshtur, granted it happened inside Agamotto's realm.. the Vishanti blatantly insulted him before.. in the recent Chaos War, Galactus has been downplayed again and an Elder God was portrayed somewhat more powerful than him.. also, Eternity expressed fear towards the Elder God Chthon as the Elder God's manifestation was slowly killing him..

#25 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio
@*Void*@demifiend@lord_oraculous016:  
 
 
  The only one that existed before all creation was TOAA. He created Nemesis, but he created her alone.  She was the one who created the 1st existence. Genesis was the paradox of the 1st and recreated it with a hard reset or rather; he turned the power off and then turned it back on. Some characters where spared in a "saved data memory card" (extra-dimension) and that included Shuma-Gorath, Dr. Strange, & all of the extra-dimensional concepts (Principalities etc...) In all technical reasoning, Dr. Strange, Shuma etc... are older than Galactus, Phoenix & Eternity due to the Genesis paradox. However, in addition to the genuine recreation of Genesis, Time was no longer linear!  Genesis created "turns of events through cause & effect" also known as Quantum realities that string together a multiverse. 
 
This means, while TOAA was the one who created the 1st sentience and that sentience created existence, Genesis was the one who redefined existence into a multiverse, which puts him closer to the center of the totsie pop. Phoenix, Wanda, Legion, Entropy, IGV, Thanos with the IG, Anyone with the HOTU, Marquis of Death, Mad Jim Jaspers, anyone with the Ultimate Nullifier, Goddess Gaea, Chaos King, Abraxus, PR-Molecule Man are only soft/hard resetting their own respective universe within that entire multiverse. That mean that they can't really go as far back as Genesis had, therefore they couldn't have "existed before existence". The only beings that could where the beings during the 1st initial recreation. (Extra-dimensional beings are not tied with the multiverse: There are only ONE of each of them. 1 Vishanti, 1 Genesis, 1 Nemesis, 1 Cyttorak, 1 Raggaddorr, 1 Dormammu etc....) [In contrast to cosmic beings residing in the multiverse: There are multiple Galactuses, multiple Eternities etc....] 
 
Dr. Strange on the other hand is another paradox. When Genesis allowed him to witness the recreation. He already existed before existence, and the only Dr. Strange that remembers this is..... THE REAL DR. STRANGE. All the other Dr. Stranges we see currently since the Genesis incident are copies of himself. He did this to protect himself from Dormammu and possible Shuma-Gorath too since they too existed while Genesis gave life to the multiverse. The real Dr. Strange is the most powerful. As the realities stretch further into the multiverse, each Dr. Strange gets weaker. IE: How current Strange is weaker than Infinity War Strange etc.. 
 
 
 
 
Basically what I meant above is that before Genesis (Sise-Neg)... TIme was LINEAR.... You can only go back and forth in time..... It just goes one way.... This linear time is 616. 
After Genesis.... Time turned into NON-Linear......  
 
For every choice an individual character makes..... A new universe is branched off of the main time-line..... 
 
 
 
 

 Data - "For every event that does not happen; actually DOES happen, in quantum realities......."

#26 Posted by BigCimmerian (8071 posts) - - Show Bio

@TitsteR said:

@Tevnoba said:

There used to be a Marvel-Rankings page, but it is no longer there.



This? That's because it was wrong.

Tier 1 : 1st Class Beyond


Tier 2 : 2nd Class Beyond


Tier 3 : 1st Class Multiversal Abstract or Scale



Tier 5 : 3rd Class Multiversal Entity


Tier 6 : 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God


Tier 7 : 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God


Tier 8 : High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstracts


Tier 9 : Minor Omnipotent Level Upper Class Reality Warpers


Tier 10 : Metaphysical and Semi-Abstract Level

Tier 11 : Elder Gods

Tier 12 : Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level


Tier 13 : Multiple Planetary-Star Scale: Skyfathers Upper Class Team Wreckers Lower Class Reality Warpers


Tier 14 : Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics Composite Beings


Tier 15 : Top Tiers

Not bad but I would rate rune Thor much higher, where would you put Chaos King and chaos war Hercules?

#27 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

@tron_bonne said:

@*Void*: @demifiend: @lord_oraculous016:


The only one that existed before all creation was TOAA. He created Nemesis, but he created her alone. She was the one who created the 1st existence. Genesis was the paradox of the 1st and recreated it with a hard reset or rather; he turned the power off and then turned it back on. Some characters where spared in a "saved data memory card" (extra-dimension) and that included Shuma-Gorath, Dr. Strange, & all of the extra-dimensional concepts (Principalities etc...) In all technical reasoning, Dr. Strange, Shuma etc... are older than Galactus, Phoenix & Eternity due to the Genesis paradox. However, in addition to the genuine recreation of Genesis, Time was no longer linear! Genesis created "turns of events through cause & effect" also known as Quantum realities that string together a multiverse.

This means, while TOAA was the one who created the 1st sentience and that sentience created existence, Genesis was the one who redefined existence into a multiverse, which puts him closer to the center of the totsie pop. Phoenix, Wanda, Legion, Entropy, IGV, Thanos with the IG, Anyone with the HOTU, Marquis of Death, Mad Jim Jaspers, anyone with the Ultimate Nullifier, Goddess Gaea, Chaos King, Abraxus, PR-Molecule Man are only soft/hard resetting their own respective universe within that entire multiverse. That mean that they can't really go as far back as Genesis had, therefore they couldn't have "existed before existence". The only beings that could where the beings during the 1st initial recreation. (Extra-dimensional beings are not tied with the multiverse: There are only ONE of each of them. 1 Vishanti, 1 Genesis, 1 Nemesis, 1 Cyttorak, 1 Raggaddorr, 1 Dormammu etc....) [In contrast to cosmic beings residing in the multiverse: There are multiple Galactuses, multiple Eternities etc....]

Dr. Strange on the other hand is another paradox. When Genesis allowed him to witness the recreation. He already existed before existence, and the only Dr. Strange that remembers this is..... THE REAL DR. STRANGE. All the other Dr. Stranges we see currently since the Genesis incident are copies of himself. He did this to protect himself from Dormammu and possible Shuma-Gorath too since they too existed while Genesis gave life to the multiverse. The real Dr. Strange is the most powerful. As the realities stretch further into the multiverse, each Dr. Strange gets weaker. IE: How current Strange is weaker than Infinity War Strange etc..




Basically what I meant above is that before Genesis (Sise-Neg)... TIme was LINEAR.... You can only go back and forth in time..... It just goes one way.... This linear time is 616.
After Genesis.... Time turned into NON-Linear......

For every choice an individual character makes..... A new universe is branched off of the main time-line.....




Data - "For every event that does not happen; actually DOES happen, in quantum realities......."

You like to give Genesis (Sise-Neg) way too much credit.

#28 Posted by Fire Star (3478 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_oraculous016 said:

Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..

  • The One Above All
  • Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
  • Heart of the Infinite
  • Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
  • Nemesis the Infinity Being
  • Living Tribunal
  • Phoenix Force
  • Scathan the Approver
  • Protege
  • Scarlet Witch (House of M)
  • Alien Entity
  • Sise-Neg
  • Mad Jim Jaspers
  • Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
  • The Infinites
  • Genis-Vell with Entropy
  • Chaos King
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Vishanti
  • Elder Gods
  • Galactus
  • Abraxas
  • Korvac
  • Celestials

:P

This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.

#29 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fire Star said:

@lord_oraculous016 said:

Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..

  • The One Above All
  • Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
  • Heart of the Infinite
  • Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
  • Nemesis the Infinity Being
  • Living Tribunal
  • Phoenix Force
  • Scathan the Approver
  • Protege
  • Scarlet Witch (House of M)
  • Alien Entity
  • Sise-Neg
  • Mad Jim Jaspers
  • Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
  • The Infinites
  • Genis-Vell with Entropy
  • Chaos King
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Vishanti
  • Elder Gods
  • Galactus
  • Abraxas
  • Korvac
  • Celestials

:P

This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.

Galactus is not above the Elder Gods, that much is correct, but Korvac and Abraxus above the Celestials is incorrect. 
Heart of the Universe and PR-Molecule Man above Nemesis is incorrect. 
Phoenix Force above Protege is incorrect. 
Scarlet Witch being above Sise-Neg and the Elder Gods (contradiction much?) is incorrect. 
Mad Jim Jaspers above the Cosmic Compass is incorrect. (He died - how can he be above death? he could not warp a void - how can he be above Oblivion?) 
Eternity above the Infinite is incorrect. 
Chaos King above extradimensional residents is incorrect (he is banished inside a realm of the extradimension so how is he above the extradimension? -contradiction) 
#30 Posted by TheCheeseStabber (8070 posts) - - Show Bio

The One Above All,Sentry/Void an this:

#31 Posted by Fire Star (3478 posts) - - Show Bio

@tron_bonne said:

@Fire Star said:

@lord_oraculous016 said:

Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..

  • The One Above All
  • Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
  • Heart of the Infinite
  • Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
  • Nemesis the Infinity Being
  • Living Tribunal
  • Phoenix Force
  • Scathan the Approver
  • Protege
  • Scarlet Witch (House of M)
  • Alien Entity
  • Sise-Neg
  • Mad Jim Jaspers
  • Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
  • The Infinites
  • Genis-Vell with Entropy
  • Chaos King
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Vishanti
  • Elder Gods
  • Galactus
  • Abraxas
  • Korvac
  • Celestials

:P

This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.

Galactus is not above the Elder Gods, that much is correct, but Korvac and Abraxus above the Celestials is incorrect. Heart of the Universe and PR-Molecule Man above Nemesis is incorrect. Phoenix Force above Protege is incorrect. Scarlet Witch being above Sise-Neg and the Elder Gods (contradiction much?) is incorrect. Mad Jim Jaspers above the Cosmic Compass is incorrect. (He died - how can he be above death? he could not warp a void - how can he be above Oblivion?) Eternity above the Infinite is incorrect. Chaos King above extradimensional residents is incorrect (he is banished inside a realm of the extradimension so how is he above the extradimension? -contradiction)

While I think the points can be argued, I'm not sure they are as easily outright incorrect.

#32 Posted by SilverGalford (3260 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fire Star said:

@lord_oraculous016 said:

Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..

  • The One Above All
  • Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
  • Heart of the Infinite
  • Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
  • Nemesis the Infinity Being
  • Living Tribunal
  • Phoenix Force
  • Scathan the Approver
  • Protege
  • Scarlet Witch (House of M)
  • Alien Entity
  • Sise-Neg
  • Mad Jim Jaspers
  • Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
  • The Infinites
  • Genis-Vell with Entropy
  • Chaos King
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Vishanti
  • Elder Gods
  • Galactus
  • Abraxas
  • Korvac
  • Celestials

:P

This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.

LOL! , delusional XDD!!

#33 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio
@Fire Star said:

@tron_bonne said:

@Fire Star said:

@lord_oraculous016 said:

Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..

  • The One Above All
  • Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
  • Heart of the Infinite
  • Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
  • Nemesis the Infinity Being
  • Living Tribunal
  • Phoenix Force
  • Scathan the Approver
  • Protege
  • Scarlet Witch (House of M)
  • Alien Entity
  • Sise-Neg
  • Mad Jim Jaspers
  • Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
  • The Infinites
  • Genis-Vell with Entropy
  • Chaos King
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Vishanti
  • Elder Gods
  • Galactus
  • Abraxas
  • Korvac
  • Celestials

:P

This. Anyone who thinks that Galactus is above the Elder Gods is delusional.

Galactus is not above the Elder Gods, that much is correct, but Korvac and Abraxus above the Celestials is incorrect. Heart of the Universe and PR-Molecule Man above Nemesis is incorrect. Phoenix Force above Protege is incorrect. Scarlet Witch being above Sise-Neg and the Elder Gods (contradiction much?) is incorrect. Mad Jim Jaspers above the Cosmic Compass is incorrect. (He died - how can he be above death? he could not warp a void - how can he be above Oblivion?) Eternity above the Infinite is incorrect. Chaos King above extradimensional residents is incorrect (he is banished inside a realm of the extradimension so how is he above the extradimension? -contradiction)

While I think the points can be argued, I'm not sure they are as easily outright incorrect.

Well, there will be debate about it once Oraculous logs on. He must live around the world or something because he posts just about around the time when I fall asleep.
#34 Posted by rmsb1984 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

#35 Posted by MagneticShockwave (1244 posts) - - Show Bio
@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.
#36 Edited by rmsb1984 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.

As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.

#37 Posted by MagneticShockwave (1244 posts) - - Show Bio
@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.

As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.

Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.
#38 Edited by rmsb1984 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.

As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.

Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.

Big Bang I guess, not sure though

712,12,818 are all from big bang. As far as I know, Ultimate Marvel is crated by Phoenix God.

#39 Posted by MagneticShockwave (1244 posts) - - Show Bio
@rmsb1984 said: 

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.

As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.

Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.

Big Bang

Big Bang from Genesis. 616 is basically "Stan Time", Marvel's been around since 1938  making random stories and character we have never even heard of. When Stan created the Fantastic Four, Avengers, Spiderman, Hulk, Thor, X-Men, Ironman, etc. He created a mainstream that popularized Marvel how we recognize it today. That's 616. It's a linear universe made up of heroes and villains. If it wasn't for Stan slowly reshaping Marvel, Marvel could have continued publishing comics like this: [scans below] and there would be no such thing as the Fantastic Four, X-Men, Thor, Avengers, and Galactus, Living Tribunal and the abstracts.
 
    
 
Stan Created the Living Tribunal, and he created Dr. Strange to be the protector of the universe. In 1974, Sise-Neg (Genesis) recreated the Marvel universe (616) so that comics like the scans above did not ever exist. Therefore, the Universe 616 was started during "Strange Tales" 110 issues before Dr. Strange's 1st appearance. 616 became the only universe; the Universe Dr. Strange was sworn to protect for 15 years before Merlyn & Captain Britain were even created. In fact, Merlyn was created 2 years after 616 initial recreation by Sise-Neg. Meaning, if it wasn't for Sise-Neg; Merlyn would not have been created and a multiverse would have never existed.
 
The Multiverse

" Each universe of the Multiverse in Marvel also appears to be defended by a Sorcerer Supreme at nearly all times, appointed the mystic trinity of Vishanti to defend the world against threats primarily magical in nature from within and beyond and bearing the Eye of Agamotto. "

#40 Posted by MagneticShockwave (1244 posts) - - Show Bio
@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.

As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.

Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.

Big Bang I guess, not sure though

712,12,818 are all from big bang. As far as I know, Ultimate Marvel is crated by Phoenix God.

 
Universe:
 
1610
27
110
127
295
1602
615
689
691
811
976
1013
1033
1036
1043
1298
1720
1815
2149
9591
9200
9112
9105
9796
9916
9997
10724
21050
29007
32098
40081
41001
42777
58163
64894
70105
90214
94831
97400
TRN016
971023
523004
98193
TRN036
10005
6799
8107
8919
11052
80920
700974
91119
7964
6109
2000
50701
96169
205117
TRN003
TRN004
982
8311


etc. etc... 
 
All come from 616.


#41 Edited by rmsb1984 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.

As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.

Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.

Big Bang

Big Bang from Genesis. 616 is basically "Stan Time", Marvel's been around since 1938 making random stories and character we have never even heard of. When Stan created the Fantastic Four, Avengers, Spiderman, Hulk, Thor, X-Men, Ironman, etc. He created a mainstream that popularized Marvel how we recognize it today. That's 616. It's a linear universe made up of heroes and villains. If it wasn't for Stan slowly reshaping Marvel, Marvel could have continued publishing comics like this: [scans below] and there would be no such thing as the Fantastic Four, X-Men, Thor, Avengers, and Galactus, Living Tribunal and the abstracts.



Stan Created the Living Tribunal, and he created Dr. Strange to be the protector of the universe. In 1974, Sise-Neg (Genesis) recreated the Marvel universe (616) so that comics like the scans above did not ever exist. Therefore, the Universe 616 was started during "Strange Tales" 110 issues before Dr. Strange's 1st appearance. 616 became the only universe; the Universe Dr. Strange was sworn to protect for 15 years before Merlyn & Captain Britain were even created. In fact, Merlyn was created 2 years after 616 initial recreation by Sise-Neg. Meaning, if it wasn't for Sise-Neg; Merlyn would not have been created and a multiverse would have never existed.

The Multiverse

" Each universe of the Multiverse in Marvel also appears to be defended by a Sorcerer Supreme at nearly all times, appointed the mystic trinity of Vishanti to defend the world against threats primarily magical in nature from within and beyond and bearing the Eye of Agamotto. "

I see.

Did Stan Lee mention anything about all universe in the multiverse came from 616? Any official statements about everything came from 616?

#42 Posted by termiteone4ever (7183 posts) - - Show Bio

@demifiend said:

ash ketchup with a master ball. nexttttttttttttttt

LOL

#43 Posted by rmsb1984 (73 posts) - - Show Bio

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.

As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.

Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.

Big Bang I guess, not sure though

712,12,818 are all from big bang. As far as I know, Ultimate Marvel is crated by Phoenix God.


Universe:
1610
27
110
127
295
1602
615
689
691
811
976
1013
1033
1036
1043
1298
1720
1815
2149
9591
9200
9112
9105
9796
9916
9997
10724
21050
29007
32098
40081
41001
42777
58163
64894
70105
90214
94831
97400
TRN016
971023
523004
98193
TRN036
10005
6799
8107
8919
11052
80920
700974
91119
7964
6109
2000
50701
96169
205117
TRN003
TRN004
982
8311
etc. etc...

All come from 616.

I am still waiting for your response. I was asking you about any proof that Marvel nor Stan Lee mentioned everything came from 616.

Like what I said, from what I read, everything came from bigbang, not 616. Logically, everything came out at the same time.

#44 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

How about Titan Tails and Mammoth Mogul? Titan Tails was able to reverse the damage mammoth mogul did. Mammoth Mogul nearly destroyed the Multiverse.

#45 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

when we are judging on most powerful entity than I imagine a something like this for power

#46 Posted by demifiend (3575 posts) - - Show Bio

@demifiend said:

jobberlactus is far to be in top 10 most powerfull entities

this

#47 Posted by tron_bonne (2286 posts) - - Show Bio
@Hazlenaut said:

when we are judging on most powerful entity than I imagine a something like this for power

Yup, and that only Goku without using Super Saiyan mode.
#48 Posted by Hazlenaut (1960 posts) - - Show Bio

@tron_bonne: you got the point of the video I have shown, right?

#49 Posted by Goenitz (2064 posts) - - Show Bio

@lord_oraculous016 said:

Marvel has so many cosmics and abstracts that it would be very difficult to rank them all out.. but my list would be..

  • The One Above All
  • Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)
  • Heart of the Infinite
  • Molecule Man (Pre-Retcon)
  • Nemesis the Infinity Being
  • Living Tribunal
  • Phoenix Force
  • Scathan the Approver
  • Protege
  • Scarlet Witch (House of M)
  • Alien Entity
  • Sise-Neg
  • Mad Jim Jaspers
  • Eternity, Death, Infinity and Oblivion
  • The Infinites
  • Genis-Vell with Entropy
  • Chaos King
  • Shuma-Gorath
  • Vishanti
  • Elder Gods
  • Galactus
  • Abraxas
  • Korvac
  • Celestials

:P

I agree

#50 Posted by MagneticShockwave (1244 posts) - - Show Bio

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@MagneticShockwave said:

@rmsb1984 said:

@Prince CortSether said:

@rmsb1984 said:

I believe a member here mentioned that Sise-Neg is the most powerful in Marvel, comparable to TOAA

FP Sise-Neg would be equal to the others who have recreated Marvel by use of the infinite energy Big Bang. That doesn't make them TOAA level though, it just makes them supreme within the omniverse. PR Beyonder would be more powerful than the Big Bang wielders as well, b/c his power was superior to all the power of Marvel's omniverse put together.

Actually that's what I believe as well. As far as I know, Sise-Neg only recreated the 616 not a multiverse. I

616 sprouted the multiverse.

As far as I know 616 is the main continuity of canon comics, but it doesn't means the Multiverse is form 616.

Then tell me where did the other realities (universes) come from if not for 616.

Big Bang I guess, not sure though

712,12,818 are all from big bang. As far as I know, Ultimate Marvel is crated by Phoenix God.


Universe:
1610
27
110
127
295
1602
615
689
691
811
976
1013
1033
1036
1043
1298
1720
1815
2149
9591
9200
9112
9105
9796
9916
9997
10724
21050
29007
32098
40081
41001
42777
58163
64894
70105
90214
94831
97400
TRN016
971023
523004
98193
TRN036
10005
6799
8107
8919
11052
80920
700974
91119
7964
6109
2000
50701
96169
205117
TRN003
TRN004
982
8311
etc. etc...

All come from 616.

I am still waiting for your response. I was asking you about any proof that Marvel nor Stan Lee mentioned everything came from 616.

Like what I said, from what I read, everything came from bigbang, not 616. Logically, everything came out at the same time.

No they didn't. You need to understand Cause and Effect before you can understand what I'm taking about. The Big Bang was an cause of an effect. All of those universe I mentioned above DID NOT all come out at once. They were spawned from the original universe through cause and Effect.