With the assumption of both at full power randomly and full power with prep.
Morgan Le Fay vs Umar
@lord_oraculous016 said:true.. Morgan Le Fay is indeed one of the most powerful sorceress in Earth's history.. he status is legendary.. but against Umar who is not even a sorceress but rather a Faltine (a member of a race of extra-dimensional entities composed of pure mystic energy).. Umar's raw power is equal to that of her brother, Dormammu..Umar.. its hardly a contest..Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
@IZZR said:Can you please explain what the differences is between a magic using sorceress to a magic entity.@lord_oraculous016 said:true.. Morgan Le Fay is indeed one of the most powerful sorceress in Earth's history.. he status is legendary.. but against Umar who is not even a sorceress but rather a Faltine (a member of a race of extra-dimensional entities composed of pure mystic energy).. Umar's raw power is equal to that of her brother, Dormammu..Umar.. its hardly a contest..Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
@IZZR said:Is it really equal? O_o@lord_oraculous016 said:true.. Morgan Le Fay is indeed one of the most powerful sorceress in Earth's history.. he status is legendary.. but against Umar who is not even a sorceress but rather a Faltine (a member of a race of extra-dimensional entities composed of pure mystic energy).. Umar's raw power is equal to that of her brother, Dormammu..Umar.. its hardly a contest..Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?
@lord_oraculous016 said:Almost.@IZZR said:Is it really equal? O_o@lord_oraculous016 said:true.. Morgan Le Fay is indeed one of the most powerful sorceress in Earth's history.. he status is legendary.. but against Umar who is not even a sorceress but rather a Faltine (a member of a race of extra-dimensional entities composed of pure mystic energy).. Umar's raw power is equal to that of her brother, Dormammu..Umar.. its hardly a contest..Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
@IZZR said:Krona who is almost on par with Nekron@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?
@Cypher's Gambit said:Krona?@IZZR said:Krona who is almost on par with Nekron@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?
This is Morgan Le Fay, not Morgan Le Fey, but since you've mentioned her, I guess we can use both(?)
Can you please explain what the differences is between a magic using sorceress to a magic entity.a sorceress despite her great knowledge of the arcane arts is still very much human without a great source of mystic energies within her.. while a mystical being is not a corporeal entity.. Umar being a Faltine possess more raw power than Morgan can ever dream of.. plus the fact that Umar is thousands of years older than Morgan and thus has honed her abilities to such an extent.. the difference is like comparing a mortal sorceress to that of a God-like entity..
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.most of Doctor Strange's victory are more like plot devices (imho) plus the fact that Dormammu's impatience usually gets the better of him.. Umar is not like her brother.. plus Doctor Strange has displayed feats greater than that of Morgan..
@Gremlin From Kremlin said:
Is it really equal? O_oDormammu and Umar's raw power are theoretically equal.. Doramammu only edges his sister in skill.. plus Dormammu's power is amplified as the power of the Dark Dimension as he is its ruler alongside his worshipers..
@Cypher's Gambit said:
Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?any sorcerer can actually invoke the power of any principality its just that Doctor Strange is usually seen invoking the aid of the Vishanti of the Octessence.. Morgan Le Fay before she became the vindictive queen that she is was the High Priestess of the Elder Goddess Gaea.. as so, she can call upon the aid of Gaea and invoke her power.. Morgan was also a former leader of the cult known as the Darkholders who worships the work of the Elder God Chthon.. she never invoked Chthon directly but she has utilized some of the Darkhold;s spells..
@IZZR: Which is why you thought she would win.BECAUSE she was from DCHell no thats out of line i think that because DC's morgan has better knowledge of the most powerful magical artifacts in the DC uni and that her warping abilities are unbelievable and i did say it would be close.
@lord_oraculous016 said:
@Cypher's Gambit said:Do you know a thing or two about the DC version of Morgan. Both are supposed to represent the real Morgan Le Fay, but what are the real difference?Can you please explain what the differences is between a magic using sorceress to a magic entity.a sorceress despite her great knowledge of the arcane arts is still very much human without a great source of mystic energies within her.. while a mystical being is not a corporeal entity.. Umar being a Faltine possess more raw power than Morgan can ever dream of.. plus the fact that Umar is thousands of years older than Morgan and thus has honed her abilities to such an extent.. the difference is like comparing a mortal sorceress to that of a God-like entity..
@Cypher's Gambit said:Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?any sorcerer can actually invoke the power of any principality its just that Doctor Strange is usually seen invoking the aid of the Vishanti of the Octessence.. Morgan Le Fay before she became the vindictive queen that she is was the High Priestess of the Elder Goddess Gaea.. as so, she can call upon the aid of Gaea and invoke her power.. Morgan was also a former leader of the cult known as the Darkholders who worships the work of the Elder God Chthon.. she never invoked Chthon directly but she has utilized some of the Darkhold;s spells..
@IZZR: Can you show me a thread where you voted for a marvel character?Stay on topic, gents. Keep that discussion in PMs if you want to call someone out like that.
@Cypher's Gambit: LOL !!! Hulk looks happy there :DI wonder why he is happy when he is knocked out. lol
Do you know a thing or two about the DC version of Morgan. Both are supposed to represent the real Morgan Le Fay, but what are the real difference?i am not the go to guy for most of DC's magical characters.. but from what i know, feat-wise, DC's Morgan has probably better showings.. as for immortality, i think Marvel's Morgan takes the cake.. we saw her head ripped off by Sentry and still reemerges and blows Sentry up with one spell.. i don't know who has more powerful magic.. from what i remember, DC's Morgaine is adapt in using "Black Magic" while Marvel's Morgan can manipulate magical forces from different sources as well as invoke both malevolent and benevolent mystical beings such as the spells of the Elder God Chthon and the magic of the Elder Goddess Gaea.. both also managed to warp reality is some extent but i think Marvel's Morgan did a better job as DC's Morgaine only took control over most of Europe and Asia minor, Marvel's Morgan altered Eath's reality and re-shape it based on her will (granted that she needed the powers of the Scarlet Witch in doing so)..
Umar should logically be more powerful and would take the large majority.Although it doesn't mean that a sorceress of Morgan's power couldn't find a way.Nice.
With prep, I would say both has an equal shot of defeating or imprisoning the other. Prep means everything to magic users. If this was a random meeting and neither was prepared, then I'd give it to Umar, though.
Umar. She does not share the same character flaws that allow Strange to "win" against Dormammu with prep.
@dami24434: Agreed
@dami24434: dosent Morgan have full control over realities
She can time travel to the past and rewrite it.
She also can't be erased.
She is the source of Wanda's chaos magic
Also she has puckered Merlin who was juggling a universe in his hands. What are umars feats again?
She is the source of Wanda's chaos magic
No, Chthon is the source of her magic.
OT: Umar utterly destroys her.
@andromeda101: I was editing that in lol
It's still a Morgan with lower feats
@nightmarediablo712: Morgan tried to summon him, only, and later on, it was stated neither her on any mortal could ever hope to control Chthon:
However, she did manage to imprison his essence within the Wundagore Mountain, but that was again, due to Darkhold itself, which is not her own power.
He then later blatanly states that she and her peers were idiots for thinking that he would serve such inferiors (paraphrased):
The Official Handbook of Marvel Universe Deluxe #2 also speak of how she's weaker than him. So it's certain to say she's nowhere near Chthon in her power level, and neither is any Asgardian, for that matter, you can't scale Morgan to Chthon because of this, doesn't matter if she imprisoned him or whatever, she's vastly weaker.
And as for Umar's feats, I can't list them all, but I found a respect thread here, done by @wollfmyth209
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