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#1  Edited By Cypher's Gambit

With the assumption of both at full power randomly and full power with prep.
    

Morgan Le Fay
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@Cypher's Gambit: LOL !!! Hulk looks happy there :D
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#4  Edited By lord_oraculous016

Umar.. its hardly a contest.. 

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#5  Edited By IZZR
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Umar.. its hardly a contest.. 
Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
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#6  Edited By lord_oraculous016
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Umar.. its hardly a contest.. 
Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
true.. Morgan Le Fay is indeed one of the most powerful sorceress in Earth's history.. he status is legendary.. but against Umar who is not even a sorceress but rather a Faltine (a member of a race of extra-dimensional entities composed of pure mystic energy).. Umar's raw power is equal to that of her brother, Dormammu.. 
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#7  Edited By Cypher's Gambit
@lord_oraculous016 said:
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Umar.. its hardly a contest.. 
Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
true.. Morgan Le Fay is indeed one of the most powerful sorceress in Earth's history.. he status is legendary.. but against Umar who is not even a sorceress but rather a Faltine (a member of a race of extra-dimensional entities composed of pure mystic energy).. Umar's raw power is equal to that of her brother, Dormammu.. 
Can you please explain what the differences is between a magic using sorceress to a magic entity.
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#8  Edited By IZZR
@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.
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@lord_oraculous016 said:
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Umar.. its hardly a contest.. 
Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
true.. Morgan Le Fay is indeed one of the most powerful sorceress in Earth's history.. he status is legendary.. but against Umar who is not even a sorceress but rather a Faltine (a member of a race of extra-dimensional entities composed of pure mystic energy).. Umar's raw power is equal to that of her brother, Dormammu.. 
Is it really equal? O_o
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#10  Edited By Cypher's Gambit
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.
Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?
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#11  Edited By IZZR
@Gremlin From Kremlin said:
@lord_oraculous016 said:
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Umar.. its hardly a contest.. 
Morgan Le Fay is a beast this is really close
true.. Morgan Le Fay is indeed one of the most powerful sorceress in Earth's history.. he status is legendary.. but against Umar who is not even a sorceress but rather a Faltine (a member of a race of extra-dimensional entities composed of pure mystic energy).. Umar's raw power is equal to that of her brother, Dormammu.. 
Is it really equal? O_o
Almost.
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#12  Edited By IZZR
@Cypher's Gambit said:
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.
Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?
Krona who is almost on par with Nekron
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#13  Edited By Cypher's Gambit
@IZZR said:
@Cypher's Gambit said:
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.
Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?
Krona who is almost on par with Nekron
Krona?  
This is Morgan Le Fay, not Morgan Le Fey, but since you've mentioned her, I guess we can use both(?)
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@Cypher's Gambit said: 
Can you please explain what the differences is between a magic using sorceress to a magic entity.
a sorceress despite her great knowledge of the arcane arts is still very much human without a great source of mystic energies within her.. while a mystical being is not a corporeal entity.. Umar being a Faltine possess more raw power than Morgan can ever dream of.. plus the fact that Umar is thousands of years older than Morgan and thus has honed her abilities to such an extent.. the difference is like comparing a mortal sorceress to that of a God-like entity..  
 
 
@IZZR said:
@lord_oraculous016: Yep i know but Strange beats Dormammu all the time so i dont see why Le Fay who has no morals cant do the same.
most of Doctor Strange's victory are more like plot devices (imho) plus the fact that Dormammu's impatience usually gets the better of him.. Umar is not like her brother.. plus Doctor Strange has displayed feats greater than that of Morgan.. 
 
 
@Gremlin From Kremlin said: 
Is it really equal? O_o
Dormammu and Umar's raw power are theoretically equal.. Doramammu only edges his sister in skill.. plus Dormammu's power is amplified as the power of the Dark Dimension as he is its ruler alongside his worshipers..  
 
 
@Cypher's Gambit said: 
Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?
any sorcerer can actually invoke the power of any principality its just that Doctor Strange is usually seen invoking the aid of the Vishanti of the Octessence.. Morgan Le Fay before she became the vindictive queen that she is was the High Priestess of the Elder Goddess Gaea.. as so, she can call upon the aid of Gaea and invoke her power.. Morgan was also a former leader of the cult known as the Darkholders who worships the work of the Elder God Chthon.. she never invoked Chthon directly but she has utilized some of the Darkhold;s spells.. 
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#15  Edited By MarvelJackAss433

Okay,it's settled.I must do an fan fic with Umar :D

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#16  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@IZZR: I knew it.You were just voting for her because you thought she was from DC
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#17  Edited By IZZR
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@IZZR: I knew it.You were just voting for her because you thought she was from DC
No i honestly didnt know Marvel has a morgan too, i thought this was DC morgan
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#18  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@IZZR: Which is why you thought she would win.BECAUSE she was from DC
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#19  Edited By IZZR
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@IZZR: Which is why you thought she would win.BECAUSE she was from DC
Hell no thats out of line i think that because DC's morgan has better knowledge of the most powerful magical artifacts in the DC uni and that her warping abilities are unbelievable and i did say it would be close.
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#20  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@IZZR: I've never seen a debate you were in that you didn't vote for the DC character.
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#21  Edited By Cypher's Gambit
@IZZR@MarvelJackAss433:  You guys are funny lol 
 
 
@lord_oraculous016 said:
@Cypher's Gambit said: 
Can you please explain what the differences is between a magic using sorceress to a magic entity.
a sorceress despite her great knowledge of the arcane arts is still very much human without a great source of mystic energies within her.. while a mystical being is not a corporeal entity.. Umar being a Faltine possess more raw power than Morgan can ever dream of.. plus the fact that Umar is thousands of years older than Morgan and thus has honed her abilities to such an extent.. the difference is like comparing a mortal sorceress to that of a God-like entity..  
 
 

@Cypher's Gambit said: 
Well Strange conjures powers of mainly off of the Vishianti plus the Octessence. Who does Morgan conjure powers from?
any sorcerer can actually invoke the power of any principality its just that Doctor Strange is usually seen invoking the aid of the Vishanti of the Octessence.. Morgan Le Fay before she became the vindictive queen that she is was the High Priestess of the Elder Goddess Gaea.. as so, she can call upon the aid of Gaea and invoke her power.. Morgan was also a former leader of the cult known as the Darkholders who worships the work of the Elder God Chthon.. she never invoked Chthon directly but she has utilized some of the Darkhold;s spells.. 
Do you know a thing or two about the DC version of Morgan. Both are supposed to represent the real Morgan Le Fay, but what are the real difference?
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#22  Edited By IZZR
@MarvelJackAss433: Nah cmon dude thats not fair ive voted for marvel characters plenty of times although ive admited a lot of times i hate odin and thor thats just me ill always vote against them, Gladiator is my fav comic character so i cant hate marvel that much
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#23  Edited By MarvelJackAss433
@IZZR: Can you show me a thread where you voted for a marvel character?
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#24  Edited By texasdeathmatch
@MarvelJackAss433 said:
@IZZR: Can you show me a thread where you voted for a marvel character?
Stay on topic, gents. Keep that discussion in PMs if you want to call someone out like that.
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#25  Edited By IZZR
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@IZZR: Can you show me a thread where you voted for a marvel character?

Thats so childish ive commented on too many of them to remember thats just rediculous.
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#26  Edited By Cypher's Gambit
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@Cypher's Gambit: LOL !!! Hulk looks happy there :D
I wonder why he is happy when he is knocked out. lol
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#27  Edited By Jezer

That woman did Hulk?...And survived? And was unsatisfiedd?
 
Dayuum. She wins.
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@Cypher's Gambit said: 
Do you know a thing or two about the DC version of Morgan. Both are supposed to represent the real Morgan Le Fay, but what are the real difference?
i am not the go to guy for most of DC's magical characters.. but from what i know, feat-wise, DC's Morgan has probably better showings.. as for immortality, i think Marvel's Morgan takes the cake.. we saw her head ripped off by Sentry and still reemerges and blows Sentry up with one spell.. i don't know who has more powerful magic.. from what i remember, DC's Morgaine is adapt in using "Black Magic" while Marvel's Morgan can manipulate magical forces from different sources as well as invoke both malevolent and benevolent mystical beings such as the spells of the Elder God Chthon and the magic of the Elder Goddess Gaea.. both also managed to warp reality is some extent but i think Marvel's Morgan did a better job as DC's Morgaine only took control over most of Europe and Asia minor, Marvel's Morgan altered Eath's reality and re-shape it based on her will (granted that she needed the powers of the Scarlet Witch in doing so).. 
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#29  Edited By MzombieX

Umar should logically be more powerful and would take the large majority.
Although it doesn't mean that a sorceress of Morgan's power couldn't find a way.
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#30  Edited By czarny_samael666
@lord_oraculous016 said:
Umar.. its hardly a contest.. 
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#31  Edited By Cypher's Gambit
@MzombieX said:
Umar should logically be more powerful and would take the large majority.Although it doesn't mean that a sorceress of Morgan's power couldn't find a way.
Nice.
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Umar easily.
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#33  Edited By tron_bonne

Umar is just about as powerful as Dormammu. Morgan doesn't stand a chance at all.

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#34  Edited By kingpin1

Umar is more powerful

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With prep, I would say both has an equal shot of defeating or imprisoning the other. Prep means everything to magic users. If this was a random meeting and neither was prepared, then I'd give it to Umar, though.

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#36  Edited By GreenFuse

I think it could go either way. Umar is technically more powerful but that doesn't always win mystic battles. Morgan is definitely capable of taking her down.

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#37  Edited By Void_Paladin

Umar. She does not share the same character flaws that allow Strange to "win" against Dormammu with prep.

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Umar is universal, Morgan is not

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@dami24434: dosent Morgan have full control over realities

She can time travel to the past and rewrite it.

She also can't be erased.

She is the source of Wanda's chaos magic

Also she has puckered Merlin who was juggling a universe in his hands. What are umars feats again?

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@nightmarediablo712:

She is the source of Wanda's chaos magic

No, Chthon is the source of her magic.

OT: Umar utterly destroys her.

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And Morgan sealed chthon before . I asked the feats for umar not a stmt if she destroys or not.

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#48  Edited By askujdnakjsd

@andromeda101: I was editing that in lol

It's still a Morgan with lower feats

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@nightmarediablo712: Morgan tried to summon him, only, and later on, it was stated neither her on any mortal could ever hope to control Chthon:

Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme #11
Doctor Strange: Sorcerer Supreme #11

However, she did manage to imprison his essence within the Wundagore Mountain, but that was again, due to Darkhold itself, which is not her own power.

He then later blatanly states that she and her peers were idiots for thinking that he would serve such inferiors (paraphrased):

Avengers vol. 1 #187
Avengers vol. 1 #187

The Official Handbook of Marvel Universe Deluxe #2 also speak of how she's weaker than him. So it's certain to say she's nowhere near Chthon in her power level, and neither is any Asgardian, for that matter, you can't scale Morgan to Chthon because of this, doesn't matter if she imprisoned him or whatever, she's vastly weaker.

And as for Umar's feats, I can't list them all, but I found a respect thread here, done by @wollfmyth209