Mordor vs the Roman empire

"Korg I was unaware that we were talking about a particular time in Mordor's history, but yea I think I've already proven Rome has no chance."

"And don't even get me started on what would happen if Sauron himself took to the field. (Old Sauron, back when he still had a corporal body.)"

Where are people getting the idea that you can torture information out of an orc? Not gonna happen, friend. I'm noticing a trend between people who think Rome stands a snowflakes chance in hell, and people who have never read LotR.

Roman cavalry is not as deadly as mordor cavalry simply because Roman mounts don't bite and claw you to ribbons as well as trample you.

"Roman cavalry is not as deadly as mordor cavalry simply because Roman mounts don't bite and claw you to ribbons as well as trample you.
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"Dreadnaught said:

"Roman cavalry is not as deadly as mordor cavalry simply because Roman mounts don't bite and claw you to ribbons as well as trample you.
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That didn't stop the riders of Rohan from helping turn the tide of many battles. And they're relatively similar to the Roman cavalry."

"Dreadnaught said:

"Roman cavalry is not as deadly as mordor cavalry simply because Roman mounts don't bite and claw you to ribbons as well as trample you.
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That didn't stop the riders of Rohan from helping turn the tide of many battles. And they're relatively similar to the Roman cavalry."

The Riders of Rohan are the greatest Cavalry in all of Middle Earth and once again are superior to Roman cavalry. Rohirrim are born and bred to be the greatest horsemen there is. It's the emphasis of thier culture.

"The Riders of Rohan are the greatest Cavalry in all of Middle Earth and once again are superior to Roman cavalry. Rohirrim are born and bred to be the greatest horsemen there is. It's the emphasis of thier culture."

Now, correct me if I'm wrong here cause I've only seen the LoTR movies and read one and a half of the books, but doesn't Mordor have.....trolls....and Balrogs.....and giant elephants and stuff?

"Now, correct me if I'm wrong here cause I've only seen the LoTR movies and read one and a half of the books, but doesn't Mordor have.....trolls....and Balrogs.....and giant elephants and stuff?
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"Acheron said:

"Now, correct me if I'm wrong here cause I've only seen the LoTR movies and read one and a half of the books, but doesn't Mordor have.....trolls....and Balrogs.....and giant elephants and stuff?
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Only Morgoth had an army of Balrogs, ever.
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No...no dragons

Again only Sauron's original master Morgoth ever had an army of Dragons and fallen Maiar *such as Balrogs and Sauron*

"Again only Sauron's original master Morgoth ever had an army of Dragons and fallen Maiar *such as Balrogs and Sauron*
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"Dreadnaught said:

"Acheron said:

"Now, correct me if I'm wrong here cause I've only seen the LoTR movies and read one and a half of the books, but doesn't Mordor have.....trolls....and Balrogs.....and giant elephants and stuff?
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Only Morgoth had an army of Balrogs, ever.
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How about dragons?
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Sauron alone would tear into the Romans lol

The sheer terror that he and the Ring Wraiths would induce would ruin their formations as well.

"The Riders of Rohan are the greatest Cavalry in all of Middle Earth and once again are superior to Roman cavalry. Rohirrim are born and bred to be the greatest horsemen there is. It's the emphasis of thier culture."

Correct

New battle? Roman Pantheon vs. The Valar 

"New battle? Roman Pantheon vs. The Valar "

Silmarillion was a pain to read for me.

Plus Mordor itself is unassailable, the terrain would stop any attack dead in it's tracks due to all the forts dotting it, and Barad-dur itself is indestructible if Sauron himself is not defeated.

"Silmarillion was a pain to read for me."

Does it matter? The Romans would never make it to the Black Gates (or Cirith Ungol).

I read it about 3 years ago...I was prolly sixteen. I plan on re-reading it later on when I get a chance, but as opposed tot he Hobbit, and the three LOTR books I found it to be an especially dry and long-winded read.

Sauron himself is far deadlier than anything the Romans can throw at him.  Sauron won't be sticking out his hand to chop off this time.  He'll be knocking everyone away with his mace even though it didn't hit the vast majority of them.

Did anyone read children of Hurin? I never got the chance to do it yet...

Haha yea i know what ya mean.

To me it seemed a lot like those chapters in the bible where they go through a thousand years of geneology like " So-and-so was begat to blah blah".....No disrespect meant toward the bible.

The Roman empire at it's peak had at best two hundred million.  Most likely only a hundred million or less.  Only a fourth of those people would be male adults, and only 4/5ths of those would be of fighting age.  Now if rome really got desperate it could call in the children which brings up a grand total of 25-50 million, but Rome simply cannot provide the weapons for all those men.   It does have better industrial capabillity than Persia which fields million man armies whenever it get's pissed off.  So I'd say it could arm and equip 10-15 million. 

I'm also intrigued about how Sauron managed to rip into this reality. Surely that power has to be an advantage as well. Imagine if he could use Doors.

"New battle? Roman Pantheon vs. The Valar "

Mordor has vast industrial capability capable of rivaling a modern day great power.  Probably because they have dozens of active volcanoes to use as a forge.   They can equip, feed, and supply an army of Tens of billions or maybe even hundreds of billions.  For every man Rome has, Mordor has a hundred thousand.  And Orcs are born knowing how to fight and grow up really really fast.  So they can replenish their casaulties easily.  Plus Orcs can subsist on much less food and water of much lower quality than humans can.

"The Roman empire at it's peak had at best two hundred million.  Most likely only a hundred million or less.  Only a fourth of those people would be male adults, and only 4/5ths of those would be of fighting age.  Now if rome really got desperate it could call in the children which brings up a grand total of 25-50 million, but Rome simply cannot provide the weapons for all those men.   It does have better industrial capabillity than Persia which fields million man armies whenever it get's pissed off.  So I'd say it could arm and equip 10-15 million. 
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"I'm also intrigued about how Sauron managed to rip into this reality. Surely that power has to be an advantage as well. Imagine if he could use Doors."

Well if that's the case, why take Rome on at its peak? Do they have no control of where/when they come out?

"Dreadnaught said:

"The Roman empire at it's peak had at best two hundred million.  Most likely only a hundred million or less.  Only a fourth of those people would be male adults, and only 4/5ths of those would be of fighting age.  Now if rome really got desperate it could call in the children which brings up a grand total of 25-50 million, but Rome simply cannot provide the weapons for all those men.   It does have better industrial capabillity than Persia which fields million man armies whenever it get's pissed off.  So I'd say it could arm and equip 10-15 million. 
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I believe it was calculated at 88 mil.
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To make it Fair let's say Persia, The Goths, and China panic and help Rome does that help them at all?

No, it will just prolong the carnage.

China's great wall would probably go tumbling down.

"Braise said:

"Dreadnaught said:

"Roman cavalry is not as deadly as mordor cavalry simply because Roman mounts don't bite and claw you to ribbons as well as trample you.
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That didn't stop the riders of Rohan from helping turn the tide of many battles. And they're relatively similar to the Roman cavalry."

Can horses bite you?  Can horses claw you?  Can horses track you for miles with their scent?  Do horses eat your flesh!?!?!?!?!?!!?
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"I had posted this an hour ago, and for some reason, it didn't post. My internet failed a couple of minutes afterward, but I copied it just in case. Here ya go:
Dreadnaught said:

"Braise said:

"Dreadnaught said:

"Roman cavalry is not as deadly as mordor cavalry simply because Roman mounts don't bite and claw you to ribbons as well as trample you.
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That didn't stop the riders of Rohan from helping turn the tide of many battles. And they're relatively similar to the Roman cavalry."

Can horses bite you?  Can horses claw you?  Can horses track you for miles with their scent?  Do horses eat your flesh!?!?!?!?!?!!?
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Indeed. Though the outcome of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields seems to contradict what you're implying. The armies of Rohan and Gondor were vastly overwhelmed (appears as though Rohan had 6,000 vs 30,000 Easterlings as well as the combined forces of Mordor, Harad, Rhun, and Khand, oliphaunts, wargs, etc which may have numbered over 200,000), and though those in Minas Tirith had cover, those in the fields of Pelenor and Gondor had not, meaning Rohan fought out in the field against thousands of these nigh-indestructable Orcs and thrashing mounts. Though Rohan was on the losing side towards he end of the battle and did necesstate reinforcements, Rohan dealt a mighty blow to the Mordor troops nonetheless, weakening the opposition considerably. Roman has fielded more than just 6,000 horsemen in battle, such as the 17,000-33,000 (on each side) in the Battle of Philippi, with about 100,000 footsoldiers on each side as well. The battle of Cannae, taking place in 216 BC (well before Rome's peak), fielded 86,000 troops on Romes side. Under Julius Caesar in the Battle of Alesia, Rome had a force of some 30,000-60,000 footsoldiers, while the Gauls numbered high in the 300,000 (80,000 inside a well defended fort and a 250,000 standing army), and yet through Julius' ingenuity, pulled a victory that handed him only 12,000 deaths on his side, while dealing some 45-250,000 to the enemy.

But how many fell beasts does Mordor have? And Wargs can be killed just as easily as horses; with arrows. Mordor wins thanks to magic, but not easily."

Rome would also eventually be engulfed in an inferno, most likely.

Mordor has as many fel beasts as Sauron wants it to have. 

You know what? Forget the battle. Sauron bends mankind to his will, and they join his armies.