No pheromones? He web-incap them, KO X-23 and Daken and start throwing Wolverine from buildings or try to drown him somewhere. With pheromones he soloed Daken. Wolverine got like... Thousands of fights with him and every single one had the same outcome, Wolverine incapacitated in seconds by a Morals On Spider-man. With sheer strenght he will not be KOing Logan though but there are always other ways.
@spinnercomix: He just need to incap them to deliver some powerful blows (Actually, he wouldn't need the webs in the first place if it wasn't by Logan) while handling Logan. Despite their regenerative factors Peter fought groups way more powerful than this one while with morals on. Logan is the problem here, but not for the fight, it's just that is really hard to put him down by sheer strenght, Peter wouldn't be able to do that on his own. Except for Daken (With Pheromones) no one is a real menace for Spider (And as I said, he won against Daken in the past, he shut of his senses and followed his Spider-sense)
Big Spiderman fan here...but I can't see him winning the majority over these 3 at once. Sure, one on one, he gets the majority of wins if he can manage to separate them, but they are not exactly stupid
They already fought, with pheromones on, Daken was stomped as soon as Peter perceived that his spider-sense still worked :P
And that was a Peter holding back.
To be fair Daken hit Peter a few times with his claws sheathed before that and he did toss him into a generator.
Yeah, he got points for letting Spider dizzy and slow, but Peter was dumb for not using his spider-sense early :P After that was pretty easy. But he doesn't have his pheromones in this fight.
The team wins, Spider-Man has had trouble with Wolverine and Daken alone. Outside of web incap he isn't beating Logan, who then has two others backing him up.
In some aspects ? Mate he wouldn't have the slightest chance against all 3 of them at the same time & yet look how many people are saying he wins. And this thread is not an exception.
And you are telling me I am lowballing him, because I rank him at the third or fourth place of all street level characters. Come on now ..
Team. I doubt tagging any of them with webs will be that easy, logan and x-23 are both better hand to hand fighters the spidey also.
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Scan dumping is easy, especially when you don't know the context of the scans you're using.
1: Spider-Man beats him with web-incap, which is the only way he can win. How does this prove he's a better fighter than Logan?
2: Peter just swats him away after his Spider sense alerts him. Wolverine has done the same to Spider-Man which I'll show later.
3: Wolverine smiles at Peter's best shots, this does nothing to help your case.
4: Do you mind posting the scans before? Oh yeah that's right, Wolverine manages to tag Spider-Man while holding back, even ripping his webs apart earlier on. Spider-Man is angry and beats on Logan while he was trying to apologise and obviously not fighting back. Another example of an angry Spider-Man failing to put Logan down.
5: Yeah, this isn't a fight. Wolverine was mocking him and Spider-Man put him through a window for comedic purposes. Wolverine has taken Peter by surprise too which again I'll show later.
6-13: Not canon. Unlucky mate.
14-16: First of all, it's the only time Spider-Man has put down Wolverine with blunt force, while Logan has resisted hits from Spider-Man on at least 6 other occasions, even when Peter was angry, amped or going all out, yet he wasn't KOed. That makes it a low showing for Wolverine, especially when he's consistently tanked hits from people much stronger than Peter, including Mid Tiers and High Tiers. Secondly, Logan was holding back while SpOck wasn't. We saw how easily Wolverine tagged SpOck afterwards when he got serious and unsheathed the claws. Thirdly, this was written by the same guy that had Kaine almost break his hand on Logan's skull, a hit that Wolverine no-sold. Kaine is stronger than both Peter and SpOck and he was even ragdolling the latter in their fight.
17: Spider-Man once again beats/BFR's Logan through webbing. How does this prove he's a better fighter?
From their fights, we can clearly see that Spider-Man's only chance is webbing.
In the future, don't just mindlessly scan dump, it's not clever or a good debating tactic. Anyone can do the same, like this:
In some aspects ? Mate he wouldn't have the slightest chance against all 3 of them at the same time & yet look how many people are saying he wins. And this thread is not an exception.
And you are telling me I am lowballing him, because I rank him at the third or fourth place of all street level characters. Come on now ..
Urm.... I'm saying that the team wins here.
I think that Spider-Man would beat any other street leveller 1 on 1, mainly due to webbing. Maybe except EOTS Gorgon.
@apex_pretador: @gothamciti: How is he going to web all 3 of them up before getting tagged himself? Wolverine is fast enough to keep up, Daken has shown he can keep up with pheremones and X-23 is a legit bullet timer who is as fast as, if not faster than Wolverine.
@apex_pretador: @gothamciti: How is he going to web all 3 of them up before getting tagged himself? Wolverine is fast enough to keep up, Daken has shown he can keep up with pheremones and X-23 is a legit bullet timer who is as fast as, if not faster than Wolverine.
Peters reaction speed is WAYYYY faster then anything they can do. Like.... Miles apart.
@jay_z94: Why would you bother to "debunk", even less reply to a scan dumping post that was posted 3+ years ago, by a user who hasn't been active for 2 years? He probably won't even see your post, even less bother to reply back. And even if he was still active, the post is too old to give a shit, and people's opinion's change over the years.
@jay_z94: Why would you bother to "debunk", even less reply to a scan dumping post that was posted 3+ years ago, by a user who hasn't been active for 2 years? He probably won't even see your post, even less bother to reply back. And even if he was still active, the post is too old to give a shit, and people's opinion's change over the years.
Sorry, I got tagged into this thread today and didn't notice how old the posts were until you just pointed it out to me.
With no PIS, he can instantly incap almost any street leveler or low-mid tier character with web-spam.
Plot aside, there is no reason for him to try to go near those claws, especially 16 of them
When Spider-Man is pissed off, he engages in physical combat.
If he was level-headed then he could win by swinging around buildings and keeping his distance while spamming webs.
But being pissed off plays against him. We need to take into account how people fight, it doesn't say that Peter is out of character. When Peter is pissed off he always engages Wolverine without webs, that's just a fact. When Spider-Man is angry he wants to hurt you, he's not going to be using his usual quips or webbing tactics here.
Peters reaction speed is WAYYYY faster then anything they can do. Like.... Miles apart.
Can you prove how Spider-Man's speed is "WAYYYY faster" or "Miles apart" from Wolverine's? Because I can assure you that this isn't the case.
I said reaction speed.
In terms of reaction speed or speed in general I'd put Peter above Logan, but I've never seen anything that puts him "Miles apart", that's the statement I'm refuting here.
You can assure me of anything you want, but you would still be wrong.
Would you mind proving your statement then? I mean, both have dodged lasers, dodged bullets, dodged lightning, kept up with other superhumans, moved at FTE speeds, etc. I'm not seeing what put's Spider-Man "WAYYYY" above Logan in that regard.
@jay_z94: Trying to trade blows with one opponent is one thing, and trying to trade blows with 3 opponents with set of 12" claws which can cut hulk and gladiator is another thing, since spidey knows the opponents can somewhat keep up with him.
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