no juubi
in character
location: marineford
distance: 100m
prep: 5 hours
obito has both his MS
Luffy's best chance is a speed blitz.
@uft: wait obito has both his ms? Spite. Mismatch. Obito godstomps.
@echostarlord117: haha no he isn't
@iamduck: That's what I thought...
Obito wins because of his ridiculous hax and the more consistent speed of Naruto characters. Even ignoring kamui he has the rinnegan, izanagi, and some of the best genjutsu in the series against a character known for staring his opponents down. If Luffy gives Obito a glare he can easily get hit with a genjutsu and I doubt he can break free when Kurama himself and a perfect jinchuriki couldn't.
I have an interesting point about kamui vs haki, though. It's not an argument but just a possible theory. The way we're told that haki hurts logia users is by attacking their "true body" (I'll try to find the source of this explanation and add it in later) which implies that they aren't actually being transformed into an element but rather the element is taking the place of their body. Hearing that explanation made me wonder if haki could bypass Kamui. Hopefully Vegapunk gives us a dump of information about how devil fruits actually work and maybe I'll be right.
Base Luffy is enough, he can see Kamui coming and avoid it while Obito wouldn’t see advanced CoA haki coming.
@leothegreatest: Luffy doesn't see the future like Katakuri, he only senses emotional intent, and that's not the same as mind reading either. Predicting the moves of someone like Katakuri who is about overwhelming brute force isn't the same as reading Obito who is a brilliant fighter with many weird abilities Luffy wouldn't know about. He wouldn't know that Obito is about to attack with a move that sends his head to another dimension, rips out his soul, or controls his mind, he'd just sense that Obito is going to attack. He might just try to block.
@floridaman29: @leothegreatest: Obito was given both MS here. That means he should be on par with DMS Kakashi. I don't see Luffy beating that.
In the fight with Katakuri and in wano he proved his CoO improved greatly so he would be able to see just about everything Obito does in advance.
Kakashi had sage Chakra which greatly improved his overall power simply having the DMS wouldn’t put Obito on that level it would simply give him both abilities.
Luffy would avoid the long range Kamui by moving out of the targeted spot or move out of the way even while being warped which Deidara proved was possible. Regarding intangibility advancded CoA and superior speed takes care of it.
Is this supposed to be just like alive obito with both ms?
So the ability to kamui snipe like Kakashi plus his standard abilities?
or is this like dms Kakashi with super hax sussano?
If it’s the first luffy stomps, any strike from a current serious luffy could kill him if we base obitos durability off of the rasengan that took his arm off from minato.
If it’s the second then obito no diffs
@drunkhc: that’s like saying all of the ssj forms should have been explained since the arrival of raditz including god forms.
Not many people even know what haki is, and an even smaller group of people have advanced versions of haki.
Why would this be information that the crew should have been knew about?
It’s actually super realistic to think that the haki users are slowly learning the ins and outs of haki as they progress to more and more dangerous places.
@spiderking: if obito doesn’t have sussano luffy would low diff him, alive obito has 0 durability feats to say he could tank serious strikes from current luffy he also has precognition to avoid the hax one shots, and 360 sensing to know when obitos body is actually on earth and not in the kamui dimension, and pseudo flight to have a massive aerial and movement advantage.
If obito has sussano he no diffs luffy.
@leothegreatest: this
@spiderking said:
How can anyone actually believe Luffy would win this?
@DrunkHC: What are you talking about? We understand how Haki works dude.
We know what the rules of his verse are. He’s just adding something to observation haki specifically. Is that hard to understand for you?
Edit: Also Oda is just expanding a bit on his power system. You know? The thing a lot of writers like to do after a while.
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