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Monitor (Pre-Crisis) Vs Thanos
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"Within the larger omniverse but enonmpassing more than a single mutliverse"
@eisjfiejss said:
Another person who overrates the IG...plenty of less than universal beings have shown the ability to beat multiversal beings
Which is normally done thru plot.
Infinity Gauntlet instance is actually pretty different, because a uni-direction blast from IG, destroyed 2 prime realities in 2 different multiverse and every reality in between. That, at the least covers more than one universe. We later, on Exiles Infinity, saw that one universe which isnt a part of either multiverse was destroyed.
Not it can not, when we know for a fact that multiverse is smaller than a megaverse.
Marvel did, given they hold the authority about the artifact in question i suppose that counts.
This is from Official Handbook of Marvel Universe 2005 - Alternate realities
Mega - "big" (used to imply a larger grouping than the multiverse)
Why would that be true?
@killemall said:
@eisjfiejss said:
Another person who overrates the IG...plenty of less than universal beings have shown the ability to beat multiversal beings
Which is normally done thru plot.
Infinity Gauntlet instance is actually pretty different, because a uni-direction blast from IG, destroyed 2 prime realities in 2 different multiverse and every reality in between. That, at the least covers more than one universe. We later, on Exiles Infinity, saw that one universe which isnt a part of either multiverse was destroyed.
Not it can not, when we know for a fact that multiverse is smaller than a megaverse.
Marvel did, given they hold the authority about the artifact in question i suppose that counts.
This is from Official Handbook of Marvel Universe 2005 - Alternate realities
Mega - "big" (used to imply a larger grouping than the multiverse)
Why would that be true?
No,omniverse=infinite megaverse,megaverse=infinite multiverse,DC cosmos isnt match marvel cosmos
IG WINS
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@retconcrisis said:
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@killemall said:
@eisjfiejss said:
Another person who overrates the IG...plenty of less than universal beings have shown the ability to beat multiversal beings
Which is normally done thru plot.
Infinity Gauntlet instance is actually pretty different, because a uni-direction blast from IG, destroyed 2 prime realities in 2 different multiverse and every reality in between. That, at the least covers more than one universe. We later, on Exiles Infinity, saw that one universe which isnt a part of either multiverse was destroyed.
Actually, I was not referring specifically to the Infinity Gauntlet, but rather just talking about in general. And no, it isn't normally done through plot. Notice that I never said beings less than universal would actually beat multiversal ones, just that they have shown the potential to. In DOV, Captain Marvel amped with the magic across the universe was very close in defeating Spectre. Spectre is multiversal. I would hardly classify Captain Marvel as multiversal, but nonetheless he could most certainly have beaten Spectre if Spectre didn't fight with his best effort. All this shows is that a less than universal being could beat a multiversal one, so I don't see why people say "blah" is multiversal and "blah" is univeral, so the multiversal guy wins. Poorest argument I've seen.
@killemall said:
Not it can not, when we know for a fact that multiverse is smaller than a megaverse.
Marvel did, given they hold the authority about the artifact in question i suppose that counts.
Unfortunately, then, this information cannot apply to DC. Technically a multiverse in DC could be bigger than a megaverse in Marvel. I don't know why its so hard for people to get this, but because a megaverse is a collection of multiverses, and a multiverse is a collection of universes, a megaverse is essentially a collection of universes.
Example: We have a megaverse consisting of 10 multiverses, each with 10 universes. Then we have a separate multiverse with 100000000 universes. Would you really say the megaverse is bigger than the multiverse? No.
@killemall said:
Just ask yourself why the country Canada is larger than the continent Austrialia, or why the state of Alaska is larger than the whole country of France. The thing is, you really don't know how big a megaverse can be. You could have a megaverse with millions of multiverses that are each so small that their sum still doesn't mount to a single universe that's really big. The statement you posted below is somewhat irrelevant as to why a universe would necessarily be smaller than a megaverse.
You mentioned that the IG "destroyed 2 prime realities in 2 different multiverse and every reality in between." Has any information really been given about how big those multiverses are? What makes you think destroying those realities was necessarily difficult in the first place? It's like Abraxas beating a bunch of featless alternate reality Galactuses. We really don't know how powerful those alternate reality Galactuses are. We can only make a few assumptions based on the mainstream Galactus, but apparently, the power of the mainstream Galactus is greater than all those alternate reality ones combined. In my opinion, if the IG were capable of destroying the mainstream 616 reality, that would be a much better feat than if it could destroy a bunch of "featless" multiverses that we know barely anything about.
Just to note I am in no way saying the IG would lose this particular battle.
@killemall said:
@powerwoman said:
No,omniverse=infinite megaverse,megaverse=infinite multiverse,DC cosmos isnt match marvel cosmos
IG WINS
I have never seen, anywhere, its been written that megaverse would have infinite nuber of multiverse in it, pretty much every description of megaverse i have come across says its a collection of universe, bigger than the multiverse, containing more than 1 multiverses.
More than 1 multiverse doesnt automatically equal to infinite multiverse , those are 2 very different scales.
No,I know there isnt said megaverse = infinite multiverse,but It's could mean infinite multiverse,and omniverse= infinite magaverse
@killemall: The definition shown in the all new OHOTMU update, says that the megaverse encompasses the mainstream multiverse and all realities associated with Marvel:
Going by this definition, megaverse is essentially the same thing as the omniverse.
@rolldestroyer: No,magaverse is still inside Omniverse
http://marvel.com/universe/Living_Tribunal
Very happy to see your scan,that mean magaverse = infinite multiverse,and Omniverse still much bigger than Magaverse
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The living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin cosmic entities the
, each who became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing more than a single Multiverse.
@powerwoman said:
There is no such mention anywhere, so i find it hard to simply assume thats the case.
@rolldestroyer said:
@killemall: The definition shown in the all new OHOTMU update, says that the megaverse encompasses the mainstream multiverse and all realities associated with Marvel:
Going by this definition, megaverse is essentially the same thing as the omniverse.
The defination of Megaverse was never updates it always meant the same thing , all realities with marvel, while the idea was omniverse is something greater.
These are from the same 2005 Alternate Universes bios.
So yeah Megaverse encompassing every reality within marvel was always the idea and the idea of omniverse was even bigger.
It was all realities, full stop, not limited just to marvel, every single reality.
So if you look at even future definition of omniverse, it is defined as "all realities" without a limitation being placed on those realities being from marvel.
@powerwoman: Im well aware of the definition stated in LT's 2006 bio. But what you fail to realize is that these terms differ in meaning depending on the writer or the line of comics. Example being, in comics associated with Exiles the omniverse doesn't consist of multiverses much less megaverses, it only contains dimensions/universes, here are 2 instances:
1st scan is from the end of the 1st Exiles series, 2nd one is from the beginning of New Exiles series.
Same thing with Captain Britain-related comics, you'll never find a captain britain comic that says the omniverse is made of multiverses, forget about megaverse. These are only found in handbooks. That's why you'll find that Roma/Merlyn are called the guardians of the omniverse in some instances, and guardians of the multiverse in others, because omniverse and multiverse are the same thing in those line of comics.
The definitions are not by any means consistent and standing, they differ.
@powerwoman said:
@rolldestroyer: I read mr master scan from KMC,I'm sure marvel have omniverse,and Roma/Merlyn is omniverse level,not multiverse,but I dont have these scan
You don't have to post those, im aware of them,
Here's 1 instance from her bio which says that she is a guardian of the multiverse:
There are more.
But honestly, it's hard to get you understand when you haven't read the series, when you do, you'll realize that the terms multiverse and omniverse are used interchangeably (look up the definition of this word in case you don't know it).
So what im trying to say it, Roma is the guardian of the omniverse (and multiverse) because they're the same thing in the Excalibur (or captain britain) related comics. Or do you think it's a coincidence that the term "omniverse" gets mentioned/referenced much more in those titles than it does in the non-UK titles? Nah.
@rolldestroyer said:
@powerwoman said:
@rolldestroyer: I belive mr master is right,I dont agree you point
Eh, i don't think you actually understand my point, because im not saying that Roma isn't an omniversal guardian, what im saying is that the omniverse has the same meaning as the multiverse does in those line of comics. They are used interchangeably.
100% right,I agree that,but not all time
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