" @mrtrickster: No. It's only a useful ability against other characters who have their own stories. Marvel characters don't have their own stories. Therefore Mandrakk's ability becomes useless here. "
I understand that you love Marvel but this comment is absurd....how do Marvel characters not have their own stories? If the LT never had a story then he would never have existed or appeared in comics. Not that I'm saying Mandrakk could take the LT but this is seriously a fanboy comment. "
Fanboy comment? No, it's simple logic. As already explained by quite a few users in other forums whenever Mandrakk is involved in crossover battles, Marvel characters' "stories" cannot be eaten like they can in the DCU because the story concept is entirely different. In Marvel, there is nothing showing that the story is a separate thing for each and every character. For Mandrakk to eat Living Tribunal's story people would have to somehow show proof that individual Marvel characters have their own distinct stories that can be affected just like the characters in DCU. Saying Mandrakk can eat Living Tribunal's story is completely disregarding the nature of how Marvel comics are written and judging the battle based only on writing concepts from DCU. Stories withinin the Marvel universe are not made in the same way that stories are in DCU and as such they can't be eaten by Mandrakk. That works in DC, but this battle is DC characters against a Marvel character. So please, take that cop out move somewhere else. If you insist on using the story eating thing here I could just say that the Living Tribunal could summon She-Hulk so she can beat up Morrison and force him to make Mandrakk her slave, or she can just rip off the page where Mandrakk is written to eat again. Isn't breaking the 4th wall fun? (0_o)
@ebuchanan: Anti-Monitor absorbed the power of a multiverse that was made of fragments from an original universe, and those fragments were weaker than the original whole universe. He's nothing special. Even if you believe COIE Anti-Monitor was a true Multiversal being, he'd still lose to LT. He would still be considered weaker than Multi-Eternity.
" @mrtrickster: No. It's only a useful ability against other characters who have their own stories. Marvel characters don't have their own stories. Therefore Mandrakk's ability becomes useless here. "
I understand that you love Marvel but this comment is absurd....how do Marvel characters not have their own stories? If the LT never had a story then he would never have existed or appeared in comics. Not that I'm saying Mandrakk could take the LT but this is seriously a fanboy comment. "
Fanboy comment? No, it's simple logic. As already explained by quite a few users in other forums whenever Mandrakk is involved in crossover battles, Marvel characters' "stories" cannot be eaten like they can in the DCU because the story concept is entirely different. In Marvel, there is nothing showing that the story is a separate thing for each and every character. For Mandrakk to eat Living Tribunal's story people would have to somehow show proof that individual Marvel characters have their own distinct stories that can be affected just like the characters in DCU. Saying Mandrakk can eat Living Tribunal's story is completely disregarding the nature of how Marvel comics are written and judging the battle based only on writing concepts from DCU. Stories withinin the Marvel universe are not made in the same way that stories are in DCU and as such they can't be eaten by Mandrakk. That works in DC, but this battle is DC characters against a Marvel character. So please, take that cop out move somewhere else. If you insist on using the story eating thing here I could just say that the Living Tribunal could summon She-Hulk so she can beat up Morrison and force him to make Mandrakk her slave, or she can just rip off the page where Mandrakk is written to eat again. Isn't breaking the 4th wall fun? (0_o) "
Yes a fanboy comment, although most of your comments are. You wanted to compare DC original universe with Marvel's when you tried downplaying the Anti Monitor but now you want to say that Marvel's stories are a different concept? Hypocrisy at it's finest. A story is a retelling of events, if the LT has appeared in a series of events then he has a story. PERIOD.
Now, I'm not suggesting that Mandrakk would beat the Tribunal but you're argument isn't doing any favors.
" @ebuchanan: Anti-Monitor absorbed the power of a multiverse that was made of fragments from an original universe, and those fragments were weaker than the original whole universe. He's nothing special. Even if you believe COIE Anti-Monitor was a true Multiversal being, he'd still lose to LT. He would still be considered weaker than Multi-Eternity. "
You still spreading this BS around? You seriously need to stop, COIE Stated that the universes had power but were powerless against Anti Matter, which would apply to Marvel universes as well unless you believe the matter in Marvel's universes are made of something different. Not that I'm saying that AM would beat the LT but again, its false information.
" @mrtrickster: No. It's only a useful ability against other characters who have their own stories. Marvel characters don't have their own stories. Therefore Mandrakk's ability becomes useless here. "
I understand that you love Marvel but this comment is absurd....how do Marvel characters not have their own stories? If the LT never had a story then he would never have existed or appeared in comics. Not that I'm saying Mandrakk could take the LT but this is seriously a fanboy comment. "
Fanboy comment? No, it's simple logic. As already explained by quite a few users in other forums whenever Mandrakk is involved in crossover battles, Marvel characters' "stories" cannot be eaten like they can in the DCU because the story concept is entirely different. In Marvel, there is nothing showing that the story is a separate thing for each and every character. For Mandrakk to eat Living Tribunal's story people would have to somehow show proof that individual Marvel characters have their own distinct stories that can be affected just like the characters in DCU. Saying Mandrakk can eat Living Tribunal's story is completely disregarding the nature of how Marvel comics are written and judging the battle based only on writing concepts from DCU. Stories withinin the Marvel universe are not made in the same way that stories are in DCU and as such they can't be eaten by Mandrakk. That works in DC, but this battle is DC characters against a Marvel character. So please, take that cop out move somewhere else. If you insist on using the story eating thing here I could just say that the Living Tribunal could summon She-Hulk so she can beat up Morrison and force him to make Mandrakk her slave, or she can just rip off the page where Mandrakk is written to eat again. Isn't breaking the 4th wall fun? (0_o) "
Yes a fanboy comment, although most of your comments are. You wanted to compare DC original universe with Marvel's when you tried downplaying the Anti Monitor but now you want to say that Marvel's stories are a different concept? Hypocrisy at it's finest. A story is a retelling of events, if the LT has appeared in a series of events then he has a story. PERIOD. Now, I'm not suggesting that Mandrakk would beat the Tribunal but you're argument isn't doing any favors. "
It's not hypocrisy. The multiverse in COIE was made of smaller, weaker fragments from the original universe. DC never said the original universe was any different from standard universes. Marvel has never come out and said that their multiverse was made of smaller, weaker fragments from the original universe. That means Marvel universes are stronger by default, at least in the COIE arc. So yea, COIE AM isn't anything special.
Marvel characters do not have a separate story that is distinct from everything else and therefore cannot be eaten. Show me on panel evidence that suggests this. That stupid plot may work in a DCU constricted book, but this match is not purely a DCU battle.
@Prince CortSether: What you're trying to do is scale DC's original universe with Marvel's universe. There isn't any way to compare them. And what exactly is a standard universe? Bottom line, you don't know how the universes scale, and I'm sure COIE AM would be something special to you if he was a Marvel character.
This argument is where the hypocrisy comes in, you want to claim that DC original universe is standard and equal with Marvel's but when it comes to stories, Marvel is different then DC? A story is a story, a retelling of events. period
" Antimonitor has the power of a many universes he would shank the LT, Team one would have minnamil problem,, superman would be little help here also! "
I agree that the team would win but I doubt AM could take LT by himself.
"Antimonitor has the power of a many universes he would shank the LT, Team one would have minnamil problem,, superman would be little help here also! "
" Antimonitor has the power of a many universes he would shank the LT, Team one would have minnamil problem,, superman would be little help here also! "
And?
Living Tribunal is ruler of billions universes. And he is above Phoenix Force (which created that mulvierse) and Multi-Eternity (who is multiverse). He is Marvel's Presence (DC's TOAA is Primal/Over-Monitor).
By the Overvoids nature it is above all concepts and everything else. Here on IGN Grant talks about FC, the part where he talks about the Overvoid and The Presence/The Voice being the same is on pages 2 and 3. http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/950/950703p2.html
" If Monitor from team 1 isn't Over-Monitor, LT ftw. "
@czarny_samael:
Thought Robot can fight LT alone and possibly win.
@czarny_samael
said:
" @ebuchanan said:
" Antimonitor has the power of a many universes he would shank the LT, Team one would have minnamil problem,, superman would be little help here also! "
And?
Living Tribunal is ruler of billions universes. And he is above Phoenix Force (which created that mulvierse) and Multi-Eternity (who is multiverse). He is Marvel's Presence (DC's TOAA is Primal/Over-Monitor). "
@czarny_samael:
The Thought Robot is far beyond Billions of Universes and far far beyond the Phoenix Force lol... the only being who can truly beat the Thought Robot is the Primal Over Monitor the true god of the DCU. So LT cannot beat Thought Robot in any way what so ever.
No, but You can look at that in any bios of Phoenix. It was the power responsible for creating universes. It also doesn't matter in that fight becasue LT>Multi-Eternity who is a multiverse.
@CyberdyneSystems said:
1.CAS has only power of 52 universes. There wasn't more at the time. 2.LT is second only to TOAA and his powers (like HOTU). He is Marvel's Presence (who isn't omnipotent).
No, but You can look at that in any bios of Phoenix. It was the power responsible for creating universes. It also doesn't matter in that fight becasue LT>Multi-Eternity who is a multiverse.
I was aware of that. An entire multi-verse =/= universe. The Infinity Being has created every multi-verse in Marvel along with the Phoenix Force.
No, but You can look at that in any bios of Phoenix. It was the power responsible for creating universes. It also doesn't matter in that fight becasue LT>Multi-Eternity who is a multiverse.
I was aware of that. An entire multi-verse =/= universe. The Infinity Being has created every multi-verse in Marvel along with the Phoenix Force. "
I am always saying to myslef that I have to read that FF issue with IB, but I always frogot about that... Yo my current knowlegde, PF has it's avatars in each other universe. And each other energy that is in it's avatar is resposible for creating that universe in that timeline. Phoenix Force is power of all Avatars combined. So loggically, if each of them is universal creator, PF is multiversal creator (or at least has power to do that).
No, but You can look at that in any bios of Phoenix. It was the power responsible for creating universes. It also doesn't matter in that fight becasue LT>Multi-Eternity who is a multiverse.
I was aware of that. An entire multi-verse =/= universe. The Infinity Being has created every multi-verse in Marvel along with the Phoenix Force. "
I am always saying to myslef that I have to read that FF issue with IB, but I always frogot about that... Yo my current knowlegde, PF has it's avatars in each other universe. And each other energy that is in it's avatar is resposible for creating that universe in that timeline. Phoenix Force is power of all Avatars combined. So loggically, if each of them is universal creator, PF is multiversal creator (or at least has power to do that). "
None of the avatars is a universe creator. The Phoenix Force in all its totality comes to destroy or create a universe, not its designated avatars.
You have no arguments. And putting some stupid videos on each other post is consider as a trolling.
@RiseofApocalypse said:
" None of the avatars is a universe creator. The Phoenix Force in all its totality comes to destroy or create a universe, not its designated avatars. "
Avatars take the power that created their universe. Also do You remmeber a scan in which PF was "talking" with LT about hierarchy in Multiverse? LT>PF but not like LT>Eternity
" CAS = power of 52 universes. Nothing more. LT stomp. "
52? shuma gorath was = "hundreds" of universes. and CIOE AM was somewhere around infinite except 52? soooooo... umm... what's the deal with CAS? "
COIE AM had fragment universes that were smaller and weaker than the original whole universe according to COIE. So he's pretty pathetic. "
lol. ur a pretty funny guy. anyway... DC is going too far by making a superman figure >>>> the presence. i swear that fanboys are being hired as writers for DC these days. "
Seems like we have some haters trolling the thread lol at least the writers at DC make a good living and get lots of Money "
as with marvel and image. and if that's the case, maybe i'll send in a resume to dc as a writer.
The Living Tribunal wins what I just saw was though robot being hurt buy a billion suns if that is not a code word for a billion universes than what in hell is TRB doing here if he can get hurt buy a sun really anyway I think some people here are dc and mandrakk the vampire god fan boys or of the idea of superman being close to a god and plz show more scan of TRB and mandrakk doing something els plz show what they can do to be at 8:04:55 AM level but u now that's just me.
What this is like superman 1 million crap they don't have more ideas so they do this and this is coming from the guy the got though robot as profile picture still The Living Tribunal wins when they state the though robot is second on power over all existence over all that is all second to the one call god like The living Tribunal is or omnipotent or nigh omnipotent then I will say he got a chance I'm just saying come on really people stupid then what Mandrakk said feel that the heat of a billion suns and though robot is screaming like a girl lol come on hahahahahahaha don't call people stupid or the they deserve what is coming for them u sound like u are doing some mojo or something but u now that's just me hehehehehe that's petter.
The other team is multiversal powers. LT is omniversal not to mention LT held two multiverses in his hand and let the two brothers meet. DC abstracts arent as powerful as people give credit for. Presence isnt even the absolute powerful being in DC, he noted he wasnt and there was a power beyond him.
" The other team is multiversal powers. LT is omniversal not to mention LT held two multiverses in his hand and let the two brothers meet. DC abstracts arent as powerful as people give credit for. Presence isnt even the absolute powerful being in DC, he noted he wasnt and there was a power beyond him. "
" The other team is multiversal powers. LT is omniversal not to mention LT held two multiverses in his hand and let the two brothers meet. DC abstracts arent as powerful as people give credit for. Presence isnt even the absolute powerful being in DC, he noted he wasnt and there was a power beyond him. "
when it comes to dc, superman >>>>>>>> abstracts. "
True. I wouldnt place him to Marvel abstracts though. He is capable of taking out Jean grey but Fury MJJ Beyonder LT are all out his league
" The other team is multiversal powers. LT is omniversal not to mention LT held two multiverses in his hand and let the two brothers meet. DC abstracts arent as powerful as people give credit for. Presence isnt even the absolute powerful being in DC, he noted he wasnt and there was a power beyond him. "
Marvel's abstracts are more overrated and a lot of them have horrible track records.
@FinalStar86 said: Marvel's abstracts are more overrated and a lot of them have horrible track records. "
@FinalStar86: I totally Agree and yes it would only take Thought Robot to fight LT, the rest are not needed here, and if its all of them vs LT its not just a stomp its a Super Ultra Mega Murder God Stomp lol
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