@Alyssabird:Well it's good to know that i'm wrong based solely on your opinion. If you're not willing to defend your point, i'm going to stick with the one i've demonstrated -_- SMP solos & stomps.
Monarch & Superman Prime vs. Rune King Thor & World War Hulk
@Funcake said:
We dont know how the exactly intensity of the blast. The only thing that the writer going to show us is that Monarch is able to hurt prime. How it loocks like at the end sadly depends only by the writer.
When have i said otherwise, what i am saying is i fail to see how that shows Monarch can tank anything significant. He got KOed by a universal attack doesnt automatically show he can tank much weaker than that without getting KOed. There is nothing to show Prime has enough durability to stand up to RKT.
Odin has his feats, does RKT displayed the same, because only wealding the OF does not automacly transferate all fetas from father to the son.
It is transferable because they weild the same power with RKT to a higher degree. Its has been confirmed by the bio.
I see your point about the origin but the narration can go either way depends on the story arc. During the Countdown the Monitor BoB said to Kyle that the GL Ring as "the most powerful weapon in the universe" but in comparsion to him as a Monitor it was only like throwing stones at the sun. If I´m remeber right the same Monitor became after some upgrades Mandrak and was killed by an GL Ring at the End of the Final Crisis. So the narration and specialy that kind of the end at the Final Crisis disgiusted me very much. Prime and Monarch stetd that the are able to kill a Monitor, Prime with his plot powers which also owerpowered Mr. Mxy who is suposed to be universal level at least and Monarch who contains enough energy to erase all life at the universe. I admit that Marvel cosmic and abstarct beeings are better written even without hyperbole statements.
Finaly its up to the people to think about some things: narration, the duration of the story arc and dont forget the thing called WIS. If RKT (or the Autor) states that he is all knowing people believe this instantly refuse the thing that could be nothing than a hyperbole because nowbody besides TOOA the absolutely supreme beeing in Marvel could reach the omnilevel of science or what ever. Another Charackters like the Abstrackts and another cosmic beeings could only be close to this does not matter what the Autor writes!
My question was very simply what has Monitor (Someone like BOB) done to warrent a multiversal power and you did not answer my question.
Mandrakk was always the brightest of the monitor, he even created a robot that was capable of fighting him in a amped up instance. So it is hardly an average showing. Then in that instance Mandrakk was actually amped by absoring the bleed for the universe (only god knows what it means) and jacked up on that power. It is by no means a showing for Bob.
Mxy instance is crap because his powers were being supressed by Zatanna from Earth Prime not really Prime showing.
Also i have never said RKT is all knowing or anything like that, i am even going out of my way and putting RKT just as powerful as Odin and not more.
@Funcake said:
The Plant was in the area of the shied from the Monitor.
The Monitor made it pretty clearly the plant survived and from the conversation it was made clear than the survial of plant would likely go on after the shields were removed
It clearly says "because where there is life, there is hope" certainly look like the plant was NOT going to die. How does the plant live without a universe? Then we also see there clearly is light which shows the existence of stars? Or are you telling me the monitor was using a touch light.
Everthink else should be said by them selfs: Monarch >>>>> Skyfather by a lot. Who fails to understand here with closed eyes or ears?!
Monarch >>> Skyfather based on your twisted sense of reality, your misguided fanboyism and nothing else. What has Monarch ever done to show he is even in the same league as a skyfather? Do you even know what Skyfather have been shown capable of doing.
Monarch's best feat is beating a small army of Superman and Captain Atom from different reality, thats it. Nothing more. Then he lost against Prime.
There is NO logic, no feat, no statement that put him at skyfather level let alone above, apart from your misguided fanboyism.
I said nothing about that Primes amp would be still at the same level for ever.
I am pointing how you argument is extremely redudent. Prime lost most of his amp in a short fight with Monarch where he attacks prime only once with anything significant. Certainly shows his amp wont last for sh*t against a skyfather level being.
How many punches from Prime and attacks from Monarch would RKT tank before Prime would go down to SBP level?!
Give that Prime's best feat is blowing up a planet and Monarch one shotting an alternate reality Superman i would say maybe a couple of 100s punches at the least.
Skyfather have never been floored by punches, despite having fought being vastly stronger than Superman level beings.
About un-make fire thing, if Surtur has universe bust level showing on pannel, so I dont have a problem to see them on some scans.
Again read the story first then talk. No he never busted the universe, but he did shows he had powers to do so. Busting the universe was his own plan, he gets his amp from Manchester Gods, and Loki, Sutur, Odin, Mancheter God, Mephisto all agreed that is exactly what Surtur was capable of doing. Are you telling me they all did not know jack what they were talking about.
So again first read a story before you talk.
Prime has steted to be more than immune to magic, he was an anomaly in pre 52 so thats why he as SBP was able to retconpunch dc´s contuinity.
Prime was never said to be immune to magic. Then yes he is said to be an anomaly and hence cant be erased from existence.
SBP never retconned the DC continuity. That comes from people who have not read the story in question.
Read this:
And this:
And if you still dont understand there was a dimensional barrier created by Alex Luthor to protect Superman From EArth 2, Lois Lane, Prime and himself from collapsing realities during COIE. So Luthor created a pocket dimension with that barrier.
The barrier was already crumbling before Prime even touched it, as you can see in the bottom left hand side of the scan, then Prime was punching on the realities constantly before breaking it with Alex Powers. No reason to believe the walls of reality was as strong, and the walls finally shattered when Prime punched it the next time around.
Over-blowing feats from DC, lovely.
About the statement with BA you have to read some postings again. If you fail to understand than try again and relax please.
There are mostly misguided statement. He has tanked magic from 3 users and thats all. None of whom are really good magicians. Then you are comparing their magic with a being beyond skyfather and then pretending some would hold true.
There is no leeway, Prime has done jack to suggest he is invulnerable to magic, resistant yes, not immune by any means. Nor has there been a statement as that.
Captain Atom however is different.
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