Monarch & SBP takes on Tyrant at his homebase. Can the duo overpower Tyrant, the same one Thanos went up against.
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Monarch & SBP vs Tyrant
That is too much for Tyrant to handle, Prime already beat down the Anti monitor who is far above Galactus and Tyrant, although he was weakened, and Monarch made monitors who are above Marvel's Watchers, look like total chumps
Team 1 wins easily
"That is too much for Tyrant to handle, Prime already beat down the Anti monitor who is far above Galactus and Tyrant, although he was weakened, and Monarch made monitors who are above Marvel's Watchers, look like total chumps
Team 1 wins easily"
Prime flew through the Anti-Monitor after he took on the Guardians and then had WarWorld dropped on him, so Prime didn't take on and defeat the AM, he just seized the moment and flew threw a very depleted AM and through him into space. And you can't say the AM is far above Galactus, cause that's not true at all. COIE Anti-Monitor is far above Galactus, but that's cause he spent alot of time destroying multiple universes and absorbing them, thus making him much more powerfull each time! So, if Galactus continued doing the same thing, devouring Planet after planet, he'd gain more power each time, just like the AM. And where do you get that little bit of info from, that Monitors are above Marvel's Watchers? That's news to me, cause it's never been stated anywhere that they are.
"Liquid_Ice said:Actually even the SCW AM is far above Galactus"That is too much for Tyrant to handle, Prime already beat down the Anti monitor who is far above Galactus and Tyrant, although he was weakened, and Monarch made monitors who are above Marvel's Watchers, look like total chumps
Team 1 wins easily"
Prime flew through the Anti-Monitor after he took on the Guardians and then had WarWorld dropped on him, so Prime didn't take on and defeat the AM, he just seized the moment and flew threw a very depleted AM and through him into space. And you can't say the AM is far above Galactus, cause that's not true at all. COIE Anti-Monitor is far above Galactus, but that's cause he spent alot of time destroying multiple universes and absorbing them, thus making him much more powerfull each time! So, if Galactus continued doing the same thing, devouring Planet after planet, he'd gain more power each time, just like the AM. And where do you get that little bit of info from, that Monitors are above Marvel's Watchers? That's news to me, cause it's never been stated anywhere that they are."
Regardless of how watered down he may have been, hes still a multiversal thread and a universe buster, Marvel one time stated that if you remove all of Galactus armor the energies he would have inside of him would be equivalent to a small star
AM has consumed trillions of stars and even during the SCW is far beyond Galactus
Also as far as the monitors go its sorta like the AM and Galactus comparison
Monitors are multiversal
Watchers are universal
And where do you get that little bit of info from, that Monitors are above Marvel's Watchers? That's news to me, cause it's never been stated anywhere that they are."
"LubeMan said:LMFAO oh man I love DC writingAnd where do you get that little bit of info from, that Monitors are above Marvel's Watchers? That's news to me, cause it's never been stated anywhere that they are.""
But yeah this team is way too much for Tyrant to handle even at full power
No, Galactus' main body would just look like a star. Not the equivalent of it. Cause a single star can't obliterate multiple galaxies. Galactus gives people more power than a single star. That armor is just to regulate his body and allow him to feed more easily. Galactus at full power can destroy the universe. A fully powered Tyrant is a notch or two below Galactus.
To be honest Monarch could solo this pretty easily. even if Tyrant was at full power
All 52 of the monitors combined couldn't even scratch the paint on his armor
Monarch could just dump Tyrant into another universe, fights over
"Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
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He cant even take on one
Plus Monarch doesnt have to overpower Tyrant even though he could
He could easily dump him anywhere in the multiverse he chooses
Hes also a techno path and could control Tyrant and make him apart of his army
"King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power..."Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
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He cant even take on one"
"Monarch got torn into by Superman who can't even compete with the Silver Surfer. DC is full of bad writing."That was a guardian amped Prime that would tear the heralds apart
"Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor"King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
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He cant even take on one"
Not to mention that Prime is probably the most physically powerful character in comics outside of characters from the 1 million series
"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly..."Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
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He cant even take on one"
"Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker
Monarch & SBP takes on Tyrant at his homebase. Can the duo overpower Tyrant, the same one Thanos went up against.
"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"Liquid_Ice said:Regardless though BRB still cracked his armor"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"
and Solomon shielded himself when the Universe went bye bye during the Prime and Monarch fight
He was the only one in the entire universe to survive
"King Saturn said:Not all Monitors are equal in power... and like I said... Tyrant has handled multiple powerhouses before in a weakened state... and Galactus was even afraid to go to war with Tyrant cause he knew what he was capable of..."Liquid_Ice said:Regardless though BRB still cracked his armor"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"
and Solomon shielded himself when the Universe went bye bye during the Prime and Monarch fight
He was the only one in the entire universe to survive"
"Liquid_Ice said:Regardless"King Saturn said:Not all Monitors are equal in power... and like I said... Tyrant has handled multiple powerhouses before in a weakened state... and Galactus was even afraid to go to war with Tyrant cause he knew what he was capable of... ""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless though BRB still cracked his armor"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"
and Solomon shielded himself when the Universe went bye bye during the Prime and Monarch fight
He was the only one in the entire universe to survive"
Even if Tyrant could take on a monitor ( Not saying he could) He still loses badly considering that all 52 Monitors can't even scratch the pain on Monarchs armor
"King Saturn said:I dont know... I think the fight maybe closer than you think..."Liquid_Ice said:Regardless"King Saturn said:Not all Monitors are equal in power... and like I said... Tyrant has handled multiple powerhouses before in a weakened state... and Galactus was even afraid to go to war with Tyrant cause he knew what he was capable of... ""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless though BRB still cracked his armor"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"
and Solomon shielded himself when the Universe went bye bye during the Prime and Monarch fight
He was the only one in the entire universe to survive"
Even if Tyrant could take on a monitor ( Not saying he could) He still loses badly considering that all 52 Monitors can't even scratch the pain on Monarchs armor"
"Monarch got torn into by Superman who can't even compete with the Silver Surfer. DC is full of bad writing."That was Superman-Prime, genius. Not the current Superman, and many, many, times more powerful....
"Liquid_Ice said:If you asked me a month ago I would of said Tyrant but after reading countdown to FC and Armageddon"King Saturn said:I dont know... I think the fight maybe closer than you think...""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless"King Saturn said:Not all Monitors are equal in power... and like I said... Tyrant has handled multiple powerhouses before in a weakened state... and Galactus was even afraid to go to war with Tyrant cause he knew what he was capable of... ""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless though BRB still cracked his armor"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"
and Solomon shielded himself when the Universe went bye bye during the Prime and Monarch fight
He was the only one in the entire universe to survive"
Even if Tyrant could take on a monitor ( Not saying he could) He still loses badly considering that all 52 Monitors can't even scratch the pain on Monarchs armor"
I feel sorry for Tyrant
"King Saturn said:I dont. How can you feel sorry for someone who basically overpowered everyone he went up agaisnt outside of Galactus ? I dont think Tyrant would win... but he would do much better than you think... Monarch was shook up by Chris Kent when he sacrificed himself... I know Tyrant can generate blasts at least as great as that effect if not stronger... at full power...I dont know... I think the fight maybe closer than you think..."If you asked me a month ago I would of said Tyrant but after reading countdown to FC and Armageddon
I feel sorry for Tyrant"
"King Saturn said:Hey wait a minute ! You threw me for a loop... I was talking about Tyrant beating a Monitor... not the DC Team"Liquid_Ice said:If you asked me a month ago I would of said Tyrant but after reading countdown to FC and Armageddon"King Saturn said:I dont know... I think the fight maybe closer than you think...""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless"King Saturn said:Not all Monitors are equal in power... and like I said... Tyrant has handled multiple powerhouses before in a weakened state... and Galactus was even afraid to go to war with Tyrant cause he knew what he was capable of... ""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless though BRB still cracked his armor"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"
and Solomon shielded himself when the Universe went bye bye during the Prime and Monarch fight
He was the only one in the entire universe to survive"
Even if Tyrant could take on a monitor ( Not saying he could) He still loses badly considering that all 52 Monitors can't even scratch the pain on Monarchs armor"
I feel sorry for Tyrant"
"Liquid_Ice said:LoL yes Tyrant even at full power loses against Monarch and throwing SBP is unnecessary overkill"King Saturn said:Hey wait a minute ! You threw me for a loop... I was talking about Tyrant beating a Monitor... not the DC Team""Liquid_Ice said:If you asked me a month ago I would of said Tyrant but after reading countdown to FC and Armageddon"King Saturn said:I dont know... I think the fight maybe closer than you think...""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless"King Saturn said:Not all Monitors are equal in power... and like I said... Tyrant has handled multiple powerhouses before in a weakened state... and Galactus was even afraid to go to war with Tyrant cause he knew what he was capable of... ""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless though BRB still cracked his armor"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"
and Solomon shielded himself when the Universe went bye bye during the Prime and Monarch fight
He was the only one in the entire universe to survive"
Even if Tyrant could take on a monitor ( Not saying he could) He still loses badly considering that all 52 Monitors can't even scratch the pain on Monarchs armor"
I feel sorry for Tyrant"
"King Saturn said:I will give you that... but Tyrant could beat a Monitor. I dont even remember saying that Tyrant would win this fight here though..."Hey wait a minute ! You threw me for a loop... I was talking about Tyrant beating a Monitor... not the DC Team"LoL yes Tyrant even at full power loses against Monarch and throwing SBP is unnecessary overkill"
"Liquid_Ice said:Well Monarch already beats him at full power pretty easily"King Saturn said:Hey wait a minute ! You threw me for a loop... I was talking about Tyrant beating a Monitor... not the DC Team""Liquid_Ice said:If you asked me a month ago I would of said Tyrant but after reading countdown to FC and Armageddon"King Saturn said:I dont know... I think the fight maybe closer than you think...""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless"King Saturn said:Not all Monitors are equal in power... and like I said... Tyrant has handled multiple powerhouses before in a weakened state... and Galactus was even afraid to go to war with Tyrant cause he knew what he was capable of... ""Liquid_Ice said:Regardless though BRB still cracked his armor"King Saturn said:I need proof on you first statement..."Liquid_Ice said:A monitors shields can survive a universe's destruction"King Saturn said:So a Cosmic Entity that pushed Galactus to the limit cant handle a Monitor ? I doubt that highly...""Liquid_Ice said:Err.. no he couldn't, most Monitors have power comparable to The Monitor""King Saturn said:Tyrant could beat a Monitor if he is at Full Power... ""Tyrant is a Beast...Tyrant isnt a multiversal, universe buster that can take on 52 monitors by himself
"
He cant even take on one"
Galactus got his armor busted by Beta Ray Bill's Stormbreaker"
and Galactus near full power has leveled Galaxies with Relative Ease... and dont you think its a little funny that the same Beta Ray Bill who crashed Galactus armor got his ass layed out by Tyrant ? As well as numerous others who challenged Tyrant... and he was depowered at the time...
"
and Solomon shielded himself when the Universe went bye bye during the Prime and Monarch fight
He was the only one in the entire universe to survive"
Even if Tyrant could take on a monitor ( Not saying he could) He still loses badly considering that all 52 Monitors can't even scratch the pain on Monarchs armor"
I feel sorry for Tyrant"
Tyrant can't take any Monitor
"King Saturn said:I think Tyrant could beat almost any Monitor..." Hey wait a minute ! You threw me for a loop... I was talking about Tyrant beating a Monitor... not the DC Team"Well Monarch already beats him at full power pretty easily
Tyrant can't take any Monitor"
"Liquid_Ice said:How? Their shields can withstand universal destruction"King Saturn said:I think Tyrant could beat almost any Monitor..."" Hey wait a minute ! You threw me for a loop... I was talking about Tyrant beating a Monitor... not the DC Team"Well Monarch already beats him at full power pretty easily
Tyrant can't take any Monitor"
A GL best attack to against a Monitor was equivalent to attacking the sun with a sling shot
Not saying a GL is anywhere near as powerful as Tyrant but the power difference is larger
"Tyrant wins this easy. Surfer with BRB 2 other heralds, Thanos and Gladiator couldn't even hurt Tyrant so I don't see how this team can."
Cause the team would do the same to that group as what Tyrant did, but prop worse, considering SBP's tantrums lol And Tyrants gonna win this easily? Against two powerhouse's who can (and SBP has) taken on the DCU!
"Beside most are close to the actual Monitor who is comparable to the Anti MonitorThats Moreso Hyperbole than anything... I havent seen any of the Monitors do anything like AM has outside of the Shield feat... and who knows how it would work against Tyrant's Power ? GL's are no where near as strong as Tyrant... if Tyrant hits a Monitor... they will feel it... especially if Tyrant is at full power
"
"Liquid_Ice said:Their shields can withstand universal explosions"Beside most are close to the actual Monitor who is comparable to the Anti MonitorThats Moreso Hyperbole than anything... I havent seen any of the Monitors do anything like AM has outside of the Shield feat... and who knows how it would work against Tyrant's Power ? GL's are no where near as strong as Tyrant... if Tyrant hits a Monitor... they will feel it... especially if Tyrant is at full power"
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Tyrant can't match that
and the actual monitor did fight the anti monitor for like a million years
"King Saturn said:Phantom Stranger fought The Spectre... and Phantom Stranger has been said to be as strong as The Spectre... but where are his feats ? Its almost like assumption over fact..."Liquid_Ice said:Their shields can withstand universal explosions"Beside most are close to the actual Monitor who is comparable to the Anti MonitorThats Moreso Hyperbole than anything... I havent seen any of the Monitors do anything like AM has outside of the Shield feat... and who knows how it would work against Tyrant's Power ? GL's are no where near as strong as Tyrant... if Tyrant hits a Monitor... they will feel it... especially if Tyrant is at full power"
"
Tyrant can't match that
and the actual monitor did fight the anti monitor for like a million years
"
"Liquid_Ice said:Yeah but sometimes you have to make assumptions"King Saturn said:Phantom Stranger fought The Spectre... and Phantom Stranger has been said to be as strong as The Spectre... but where are his feats ? Its almost like assumption over fact..."Liquid_Ice said:Their shields can withstand universal explosions"Beside most are close to the actual Monitor who is comparable to the Anti MonitorThats Moreso Hyperbole than anything... I havent seen any of the Monitors do anything like AM has outside of the Shield feat... and who knows how it would work against Tyrant's Power ? GL's are no where near as strong as Tyrant... if Tyrant hits a Monitor... they will feel it... especially if Tyrant is at full power"
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Tyrant can't match that
and the actual monitor did fight the anti monitor for like a million years
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If we used only feats then TOAA and The Presence would be the weakest characters in comics
"King Saturn said:TOAA and The Presense are Supreme Beings... aka God. God doesnt really show Massive Cosmic Feats in Real Life today let alone would I expect the same in comics... but the Phantom Stranger even in his Ongoing he had back in the 1980's never showed great feats..."Liquid_Ice said:Yeah but sometimes you have to make assumptions"King Saturn said:Phantom Stranger fought The Spectre... and Phantom Stranger has been said to be as strong as The Spectre... but where are his feats ? Its almost like assumption over fact..."Liquid_Ice said:Their shields can withstand universal explosions"Beside most are close to the actual Monitor who is comparable to the Anti MonitorThats Moreso Hyperbole than anything... I havent seen any of the Monitors do anything like AM has outside of the Shield feat... and who knows how it would work against Tyrant's Power ? GL's are no where near as strong as Tyrant... if Tyrant hits a Monitor... they will feel it... especially if Tyrant is at full power"
"
Tyrant can't match that
and the actual monitor did fight the anti monitor for like a million years
"
"
If we used only feats then TOAA and The Presence would be the weakest characters in comics"
"Liquid_Ice said:The point is though that Feats arent the only thing you can use for character vs debates"King Saturn said:TOAA and The Presense are Supreme Beings... aka God. God doesnt really show Massive Cosmic Feats in Real Life today let alone would I expect the same in comics... but the Phantom Stranger even in his Ongoing he had back in the 1980's never showed great feats...""Liquid_Ice said:Yeah but sometimes you have to make assumptions"King Saturn said:Phantom Stranger fought The Spectre... and Phantom Stranger has been said to be as strong as The Spectre... but where are his feats ? Its almost like assumption over fact..."Liquid_Ice said:Their shields can withstand universal explosions"Beside most are close to the actual Monitor who is comparable to the Anti MonitorThats Moreso Hyperbole than anything... I havent seen any of the Monitors do anything like AM has outside of the Shield feat... and who knows how it would work against Tyrant's Power ? GL's are no where near as strong as Tyrant... if Tyrant hits a Monitor... they will feel it... especially if Tyrant is at full power"
"
Tyrant can't match that
and the actual monitor did fight the anti monitor for like a million years
"
"
If we used only feats then TOAA and The Presence would be the weakest characters in comics"
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