Molecule Man Wearing Infinity Gauntlet VS. The Beyonder

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#1  Edited By onedotred

All out, no holds barred, fight to the death.  Please support your answer with a little explanation.  Thank you.

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#2  Edited By Tevnoba

The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting.

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#3  Edited By King_Saturn
Beyonder would still win... give Molecule Man the Heart of the Universe and we may have something here...
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#4  Edited By SUNMAN
Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."

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#5  Edited By geraldthesloth

stalemate..for a bit than beyonder wins

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#6  Edited By Magicalmoment
King Saturn said:
"Beyonder would still win... give Molecule Man the Heart of the Universe and we may have something here...
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#7  Edited By Illuminarch
Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."
Are you actually contending that Molecule Man is more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet? Last I heard, the Gauntlet gave nearly total mastery over creation. The Beyonder is an imperfect Cosmic Cube, which the Gauntlet has the edge on by a considerable margin.

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#8  Edited By onedotred
Illuminarch said:
"Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."
Are you actually contending that Molecule Man is more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet? Last I heard, the Gauntlet gave nearly total mastery over creation. The Beyonder is an imperfect Cosmic Cube, which the Gauntlet has the edge on by a considerable margin.
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People just don't know the old history of neither the Molecule Man nor the Infinity Gems.  Molecule Man was so goddam powerful that, in Secret Wars 2, all the Elders of the Universe had to bow their heads down when he walked by them.  Granted, the Beyonder can do ANYTHING he wants in THIS reality, BUT, if nerd-turned-god Owen Reece had the Infinity Gems, and mastered them all, then  I really think  he would've been able to  beat the Beyonder.  How ?  One gem would've made the difference: The Reality Gem !  Owen would've just trapped the Beyonder in another reality where his power would've been negated, and (even if his powers weren't negated), he would've had no way to get back to this reality ever again !!!
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#9  Edited By Tevnoba
Illuminarch said:
"Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."
Are you actually contending that Molecule Man is more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet? Last I heard, the Gauntlet gave nearly total mastery over creation. The Beyonder is an imperfect Cosmic Cube, which the Gauntlet has the edge on by a considerable margin.
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This is not the horrible retcon versions (as far as I know).  This is the originals.  And yes, Pre Retcon Owen >>>>>>>>>>Infinity Gauntlet.
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#10  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
onedotred said:
"Illuminarch said:
"Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."
Are you actually contending that Molecule Man is more powerful than the Infinity Gauntlet? Last I heard, the Gauntlet gave nearly total mastery over creation. The Beyonder is an imperfect Cosmic Cube, which the Gauntlet has the edge on by a considerable margin.
"
People just don't know the old history of neither the Molecule Man nor the Infinity Gems.  Molecule Man was so goddam powerful that, in Secret Wars 2, all the Elders of the Universe had to bow their heads down when he walked by them.  Granted, the Beyonder can do ANYTHING he wants in THIS reality, BUT, if nerd-turned-god Owen Reece had the Infinity Gems, and mastered them all, then  I really think  he would've been able to  beat the Beyonder.  How ?  One gem would've made the difference: The Reality Gem !  Owen would've just trapped the Beyonder in another reality where his power would've been negated, and (even if his powers weren't negated), he would've had no way to get back to this reality ever again !!!"
dude precon beyonder fought MM before and owned him like nothing even with IG it's still beyonder>>>>>>>>MM
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#11  Edited By gunswordfist
Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."

Damn REALLY?!!
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#12  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
gunswordfist said:
"Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."
Damn REALLY?!!"

well with one finger MM repaired the mutliverse when beyonder got a little mad.
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#13  Edited By gunswordfist
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"gunswordfist said:
"Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."
Damn REALLY?!!"
well with one finger MM repaired the mutliverse when beyonder got a little mad."
*SPITS OUT RED MOUNTAIN DEW*
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#14  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000

gunswordfist said:

"DC_Marvel_1000 said:
"gunswordfist said:
"Tevnoba said:
"The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight.  It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting."
Damn REALLY?!!"
well with one finger MM repaired the mutliverse when beyonder got a little mad."
*SPITS OUT RED MOUNTAIN DEW*"

add in that MM has the power of a bill dimensions well beyonder is made up of infinite.
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#15  Edited By Illuminarch
Oh, so the power of theInfinity Gems is a retcon, but not the Godlike abilities of Molecule Man, who was never so powerful prior to the Secret Wars. Gotcha.
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#16  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
Illuminarch said:
Oh, so the power of the Infinity Gems is a retcon, but not the Godlike abilities of Molecule Man, who ... [more]
wait what? i really don't get what your saying here.
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Yubba Yubba ?
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#18  Edited By WindCloud

This fight will probably span the course of 1 trillion years, but after that, Beyonder will probably win.

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#19  Edited By Illuminarch
DC_Marvel_1000 said:
Illuminarch said: Oh, so the power of the Infinity Gems is a retcon, but not the Godlike abilities of Molecule ... [more]
What isn't clear about it? The godlike powers that everyone is claiming here for Molecule Man, if they have an actual basis in comics at all, are themselves either gross power creep or a retcon. When he first appeared, he had no power over organic material and it was focused in a wand. Only much later was he able to drop mountains on people, and he's never had the ability to travel through or control time, alter the fundamental rules of physics or chemistry, fold space, control souls, or any of the huge amount of capabilities the Infinity Gauntlet gives.
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#20  Edited By DC_Marvel_1000
Illuminarch said:
DC_Marvel_1000 said: Illuminarch said: Oh, so the power of the Infinity Gems is a retcon, but not the Godlike abilities ... [more]
lol i can sum all that up and say the MM we are using is the one that can repair the multiverse with his finger.
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#21  Edited By geraldthesloth

o'rly


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#22  Edited By Tevnoba
Illuminarch said:
DC_Marvel_1000 said: Illuminarch said: Oh, so the power of the Infinity Gems is a retcon, but not the Godlike abilities ... [more]
Yes, Owen's power was originally held back by his own misconceptions and lack of self belief/awareness.  Once Doctor Doom released the mental blocks that Owen has subconsciously placed on himself, his full power was realized.  Among those can the ability to control all matter and energy on a multiversal scale, cosmic awareness on a multiversal scale, manipulation of space (i.e. worm holes and FTL travel, etc . . .), among many other abilities.

Adding the Infinity Gauntlet to Owen is like adding a flashlight to the sun - you would not even notice.
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ok here is the most comprehensive answer.

1. Beyonder is NOT a being, he is a ENTIRE universe that was UNMANIFEST. Molecule man and even the infinity guantlet are still items and beings WITHIN a universe, so its like saying two pieces of a universe could defeat a entire universe. Its just not possible. Beyonder represented his entire multiverse in entirety. No glove, cosmic cubes or power will change that. The entire universe would have to attack at once and then it would stalemate as all universes are essentially equal in power and being constructed of energy immortal for our purposes.

2. The character The Brothers, unlike Beyonder who is a entire universe represent the yin and yang WITHIN a universe the polarities. Thusly Beyonder would be "stronger" than them as well.

3. The One Above All (TOAA), The Heart of the Universe (HOTU, TOAA's power) as invented by Stan Lee is the entirety of the marvel universe manifest as a fractal representation of the universe, which would make TOAA a even match for Beyonder. However while TOAA is manifest in the entire universe his power is not focused or centralized. Beyonder's is centralized and focused on one point in one individual. So it conceivable that Beyonder would win in a skirmish but would eventually stalemate as both universes can not effectively defeat each as each universe is immortal and can only be reordered or changed in form, frequency or energy type. Much like what happened to Beyonder when he became manifest into a whole universe with planets etc. He never died, he simply changed form.

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#24  Edited By Floopay

ok here is the most comprehensive answer.

1. Beyonder is NOT a being, he is a ENTIRE universe that was UNMANIFEST. Molecule man and even the infinity guantlet are still items and beings WITHIN a universe, so its like saying two pieces of a universe could defeat a entire universe. Its just not possible. Beyonder represented his entire multiverse in entirety. No glove, cosmic cubes or power will change that. The entire universe would have to attack at once and then it would stalemate as all universes are essentially equal in power and being constructed of energy immortal for our purposes.

2. The character The Brothers, unlike Beyonder who is a entire universe represent the yin and yang WITHIN a universe the polarities. Thusly Beyonder would be "stronger" than them as well.

3. The One Above All (TOAA), The Heart of the Universe (HOTU, TOAA's power) as invented by Stan Lee is the entirety of the marvel universe manifest as a fractal representation of the universe, which would make TOAA a even match for Beyonder. However while TOAA is manifest in the entire universe his power is not focused or centralized. Beyonder's is centralized and focused on one point in one individual. So it conceivable that Beyonder would win in a skirmish but would eventually stalemate as both universes can not effectively defeat each as each universe is immortal and can only be reordered or changed in form, frequency or energy type. Much like what happened to Beyonder when he became manifest into a whole universe with planets etc. He never died, he simply changed form.

Mad Jim Jaspers is only a part of a single universe. Yet he can plague and kill an entire universe with his powers.

The same can be said of several characters who are universal level or higher.

Thanks for reading,

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I'm confused, what's being argued here? Are we talking about PR Beyonder? Wasn't he right underneath TOAA?

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#26  Edited By rolldestroyer

if it's PR beyonder he still stomps

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The Current Mutant Inhuman Beyonder is featless. Though in a what if where the Illuminati manage to piss him off he manages to effortlessly destroy the Earth and everything.

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Beyonder is a plot device and the pr beyonder is as strong or stronger than toaa beyonder wins with 1 finger

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@tevnoba said:

The Infinity Gauntlet would have little difference in this fight. It would be like adding a BB gun to two tanks fighting.

lol best answer ever. xD

If this is PRB we are talking about, he would solo regardless. But HoTU, now that might be a game changer.

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this is a huge mismatch.

1. Living Tribunal >>>>Infinity Gauntlet, and Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>Living Tribunal (see scan beneath)

so : Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Infinity Gauntlet

therefore IG will add MM nothing more what can add a tiny ant to an elephant to tank an exploding H-bomb

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MoleculeMan is the most powerful being in MU.

2. Inifinity gems are part of the very construct of the universe, MoleculeMan already gathered all the power existing in the multiverse and still didn't have enough power to just create Beyonder-proof dome (see scan beneath)

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3. Molecule Man compared to Beyonder is like comparing Captain America to Molecule Man, the difference in power is unconceivable, so basically adding IG to MM, is like giving Captain America a 2nd shield to fight Living Tribunal and hoping it will be enough (see scan beneath)

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#32  Edited By kool_chris

How can beyonder be stronger than toaa if its said that he is stronger than EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in the marvel universe put together also isn't the living tribunal 2nd in command after toaa ? I don't see how beyonder beats them , can beyonder beat eternity since he is a universe

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How can beyonder be stronger than toaa if its said that he is stronger than EVERYONE and EVERYTHING in the marvel universe put together also isn't the living tribunal 2nd in command after toaa ? I don't see how beyonder beats them , can beyonder beat eternity since he is a universe

Beyonder cannot beat TOAA. He loses because TOAA can erase him out of existence if it wanted to, but because TOAA is neutral, it does not.

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Beyonder.

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#36  Edited By Baron_von_Santa

@kool_chris: eternity is like a bug next to the sun that is the beyonder

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Question: ...What can Infinity Gauntlet do that MM cant?

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@lowlaville: I'm pretty sure he has not shown any thing he can do with someones soul