I dont know if Original ION would survive against Solar. They basically have the same skills and Molecule Man back in the day was second on only Classic Beyonder in power level... so this is a crazy fight here
o.k. here's how I look at it, take a look at the picture below:
That's Beyonder and MM next to him! You got LT, Eternity, celestial, Watcher, lord order & Master chaos, mephisto, death and more, and none of them could do anything to Beyonder and MM was only just behind Beyonder in power, it was Eternity who was working with MM on the side trying to sway Beyonder and come him down! MM and Atom handle this fight easy enough, in the end, unless you think Spectre and Ion can take out all those beings above with ease!
"o.k. here's how I look at it, take a look at the picture below:
That's Beyonder and MM next to him! You got LT, Eternity, celestial, Watcher, lord order & Master chaos, mephisto, death and more, and none of them could do anything to Beyonder and MM was only just behind Beyonder in power, it was Eternity who was working with MM on the side trying to sway Beyonder and come him down! MM and Atom handle this fight easy enough, in the end, unless you think Spectre and Ion can take out all those beings above with ease!"
Oh I Know. But in essence, Solar can control all forms of energy and matter so how would anyone be able to actually destroy him ?
"o.k. here's how I look at it, take a look at the picture below:
That's Beyonder and MM next to him! You got LT, Eternity, celestial, Watcher, lord order & Master chaos, mephisto, death and more, and none of them could do anything to Beyonder and MM was only just behind Beyonder in power, it was Eternity who was working with MM on the side trying to sway Beyonder and come him down! MM and Atom handle this fight easy enough, in the end, unless you think Spectre and Ion can take out all those beings above with ease!"
Oh I Know. But in essence, Solar can control all forms of energy and matter so how would anyone be able to actually destroy him ? "
well, you've just made my case, hence why I said team one wins rather handily, in the end :-) Thankyou King!
well molecule man's probably the most powerful, but not so much more powerful that one of the others couldnt put up a great fight against him. and since there are four people fighting, he can be killed by someone he isnt really paying attention to. same thing with any of them. they're all powerful enough to kill each other and they can be taken out if they arent paying attention or are concentrating too much on any one of the others.
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?"
It says Molecule Man vs Solar vs Original ION in the title... but the pictures show them in teams.
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?"
you know ffa means no teams. four on four, every man for himself....
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?"
Naw. Its an all out battle every man for himself... I just couldnt post anything in the original post to explain that cause for some reason the toolbar doesnt work correctly when I create threads
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?"
It says Molecule Man vs Solar vs Original ION in the title... but the pictures show them in teams. "
My bad, your right, wasn't paying close enough attention outside of the pics! then it'll be MM>Atom>Spectre>ION
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?"
It says Molecule Man vs Solar vs Original ION in the title... but the pictures show them in teams. "
My bad, your right, wasn't paying close enough attention outside of the pics! then it'll be MM>Atom>Spectre>ION"
Atom? Original ION might be more powerful than the Spectre, so I don't know about that. But i guess Molecule Man is possibly the most powerful.
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?"
It says Molecule Man vs Solar vs Original ION in the title... but the pictures show them in teams. "
My bad, your right, wasn't paying close enough attention outside of the pics! then it'll be MM>Atom>Spectre>ION"
Atom? Original ION might be more powerful than the Spectre, so I don't know about that. But i guess Molecule Man is possibly the most powerful. "
Nah, Spectre could do anything original Ion could do in spades!
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?"
It says Molecule Man vs Solar vs Original ION in the title... but the pictures show them in teams. "
My bad, your right, wasn't paying close enough attention outside of the pics! then it'll be MM>Atom>Spectre>ION"
Atom? Original ION might be more powerful than the Spectre, so I don't know about that. But i guess Molecule Man is possibly the most powerful. "
Nah, Spectre could do anything original Ion could do in spades! "
Spectre has been defeated by far lesser beings. Mr. Mxyzptlk has gotten the best of him a few times.
Ah, of course, feel like a dunce, now! FFA yes, but MM & Atom are working together as are the other two, so atom and mm won't be fight each other and vice versa for the other team, since this is still team battles, I believe?"
It says Molecule Man vs Solar vs Original ION in the title... but the pictures show them in teams. "
My bad, your right, wasn't paying close enough attention outside of the pics! then it'll be MM>Atom>Spectre>ION"
Atom? Original ION might be more powerful than the Spectre, so I don't know about that. But i guess Molecule Man is possibly the most powerful. "
Nah, Spectre could do anything original Ion could do in spades! "
Spectre has been defeated by far lesser beings. Mr. Mxyzptlk has gotten the best of him a few times. "
He has, your right, which is why I putter a little further down the list, but that still doesn't mean he doesn't >ion!
"Original ION could rival the Beyonder in power. "
Not even close. The Beyonder is the GOD of his own actuality. Unless you think original Ion can take out The Presence or the One Above ALL . . .NO WAY.
"Original ION could rival the Beyonder in power. "
Not even close. The Beyonder is the GOD of his own actuality. Unless you think original Ion can take out The Presence or the One Above ALL . . .NO WAY.
Molecule Man wins this. "
Ah, yeah, that's pretty much what i've been saying :-)
"I wonder how Solar isnt stronger than Molecule Man since they both can do the same thing ? And Solar is also capable of Time Travel..."
Scope, MM can do things and a multiverse level simultaneously. He should also be able to affect time (as it is a form of energy - at least in the marvel universe). Molecule was able to block enough of the Beyonder's power to give regular heroes a chance (and it almost worked). Beyonder = The Presence = The One Above All = God. Molecule Man just under them and way above LT and The Spectre.
Buckshot said:
"I like Solar more than Molecule Man so he wins. "
That is a very bad argument for a battle forum. This is not about preferences, it is about a logical and constructive comparison of beings (usually from different Actualities).
"Original ION could rival the Beyonder in power. "
Not even close. The Beyonder is the GOD of his own actuality. Unless you think original Ion can take out The Presence or the One Above ALL . . .NO WAY.
Molecule Man wins this. "
I thought The Beyonder was Retconned? I'm not saying he is more powerful, but he is pretty high up there.
"I like Solar more than Molecule Man so he wins. "
That is a very bad argument for a battle forum. This is not about preferences, it is about a logical and constructive comparison of beings (usually from different Actualities). "
"I like Solar more than Molecule Man so he wins. "
That is a very bad argument for a battle forum. This is not about preferences, it is about a logical and constructive comparison of beings (usually from different Actualities). "
Because he was being totally serious... "
Yeah, don't take everything seriously, dude! crack a smile every once in a while and have some fun :-)
"According to the Marvel and DC power rankings, Original ION is a tier 5 and Molecule Man is a tier 9. "
Unfortunately there are many problems with the Marvel Rankings. Such as there is not in marvel a difference between Eternity and a multi-Eternity. There is only 1 and it is Eternity, same for Death, Infinity, Living Tribunal and The One Above All. And pre-retcon (retcon was the dumbest thing marvel ever did) The Beyonder would be on that list as well as he too was Omniversal.
I am working on an more accurate and precise ranking system, but time is limited so it is going to take a while.
Here is a list of what some of the rankings should be for some of the cosmic entities.
Tier 01: The Beyonder (pre-retcon), The One Above All, and anyone with the Heart of the Universe Tier 02: Molecule Man (pre-retcon) Tier 03: The Living Tribunal [everything this level and bellow moves up 1 tier for retcon] Tier 04: Any one wielding the Infinity Gauntlet Tier 05: Eternity/Infinity Tier 06: Phoenix Force (current - will switch with Death at the down turn of the multi-verse) Tier 07: Master Order, Lord Chaos, Galactus (Fully Fed), Death (Current - will switch with Phoenix Force at the down turn of the multi-verse), White Crown Phoenix Tier 08: Galactus (Average), In-Betweener, One-Above-All (The Celestial) Tier 09: Other Celestials, The Stranger, Galactus (weakened), Mister Hate, Lady Love, Rachael Summers as Phoenix Avatar Tier 10: Dark Phoenix (Jean Grey)
I only have the issue where he fights the Fantastic Four and wasn't able to control organic molecules and had to use the wand thing. He didn't seem that great but I guess his power has increased greatly.
"I only have the issue where he fights the Fantastic Four where he wasn't able to control organic molecules and had to use the wand thing. He didn't seem that great but I guess his power has increased greatly."
Yeah, that's cause we're talking pre-retcon, when he was hanging with Beyonder and literally second only to him and repairing the damage Beyonder was doing behind his back!
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